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Post by twofor22 on Sept 2, 2020 14:48:47 GMT -5
That's what I've found as well. I usually overswing, trying to stop it earlier or hold the stick just throws my rhythm out. I'm playing with a method currently of sort of easing the stick back then firmly pushing forward all in one motion like a real life swing. Like everyone I don't always hit perfect but I do find the misses are usually quite close to it, and I am hitting more perfects as well. The other issue is swing plane, obviously a perfect will go offline if that is off also. This is way too complicated for me. I don’t think the swing is as sophisticated as this. I’ve been a golfer my whole life and I’d love for a swing to represent a real golf swing but I just don’t see it. It's not as complicated as it sounds. It's just hard to describe it without sounding complicated. What's complicated to me is pulling the stick back then holding it there for a second or two before pushing it forward. I tried this and while it does stop the overswing, it just feels crap. I also found it difficult to get any consistency in tempo doing this because it's breaking the swing up into two separate parts rather than it just being one fluid motion. Imagine making a swing in real life and holding it at the top of the backswing for a second or two, it just wouldn't feel right. |
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Post by YouStayClassySanDiego on Sept 2, 2020 16:15:00 GMT -5
This is way too complicated for me. I don’t think the swing is as sophisticated as this. I’ve been a golfer my whole life and I’d love for a swing to represent a real golf swing but I just don’t see it. It's not as complicated as it sounds. It's just hard to describe it without sounding complicated. What's complicated to me is pulling the stick back then holding it there for a second or two before pushing it forward. I tried this and while it does stop the overswing, it just feels crap. I also found it difficult to get any consistency in tempo doing this because it's breaking the swing up into two separate parts rather than it just being one fluid motion. Imagine making a swing in real life and holding it at the top of the backswing for a second or two, it just wouldn't feel right. Somewhere between Hideki Matsuyama and Charles Barkley? |
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Post by cliffs on Sept 3, 2020 6:27:10 GMT -5
Just what purpose does a backswing have? Can you really hit the ball harder by backswinging versus just holding the club like a baseball bat and then swinging at ball? I tried this IRL and I saw no big difference in distance.
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 3, 2020 7:22:14 GMT -5
Just what purpose does a backswing have? Can you really hit the ball harder by backswinging versus just holding the club like a baseball bat and then swinging at ball? I tried this IRL and I saw no big difference in distance. It's not about distance or hitting it harder. I've tried hitting balls like that and it's just uncomfortable. There's also aligning the club face to the target which is pretty difficult if you start the swing at the top. If it worked better than the normal backswing and downswing, or the backswing was found to have no use, I'd say the pros would all be doing it. |
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Post by mcbogga on Sept 3, 2020 9:05:14 GMT -5
Just what purpose does a backswing have? Can you really hit the ball harder by backswinging versus just holding the club like a baseball bat and then swinging at ball? I tried this IRL and I saw no big difference in distance. That would be a relevant experiment if you are hitting drivers north of 100mph swing speed. The back swing adds dynamics to the swing and maybe primarily is there for consistency as it’s easier to do things consistently with rhythm, and sending a small ball 200yds+ with a club successfully to specific small targets requires a lot of consistency. Is not a distance game. But in theory how you get the club to the optimal position to generate speed and consistent delivery to impact does not matter. |
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 7, 2020 1:48:24 GMT -5
I've seen it mentioned somewhere, maybe this thread even, about crowds being on possibly having some effect on the game. I played two rounds today, one in a different society and the other in the challenge circuit event. The other one had the crowd on, in CC it was off. I found my swing consistency was a lot better in the CC event than the other one with the crowd on. Maybe it was just me, but it seemed like swings that were registering as too fast in the crowd one were close to perfect in the CC one.
But then again, I played a few at St Andrews with crowds as well and had reasonable consistency. Who knows.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 7, 2020 6:58:02 GMT -5
I never play with crowds and never have consistency.
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Post by FortyNothing on Sept 17, 2020 10:37:04 GMT -5
This is all pretty confusing. My swings are all over the place from fast to very slow and there doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. Someone confirm that my thinking is true: Your backswing transition to downswing is what determines your distance and the speed of your downswing is what determines your timing (fast or slow). Is that right? If I knew what I was doing wrong I could try to fix it. What I think might be happening is that when I miss, I try to overcompensate on my next shot which makes me miss worse. I think before, I was trying to nail the transition from backswing to downswing better, but I would get so excited that I got a good transition that I would screw up the downswing. Also, have any of you done the “lessons” in the practice area? I’ll have to check again, but I think they explain how it works although I obviously don’t remember, but that might just be my goldfish brain. As for the Iron Mike Tyson experiment or whatever it was called, if that’s true that swing timing is random that kind of ruins the game. It would be like rolling the dice every swing rather than skill. The overall scores seem to be lower, but the same guys who were good in 2019 are winning the exhibitions, so it must still be skill based. Or they’re cheating, but I won’t open that can of worms. As for adjusting the distance marker, I can confirm that the vibration rumble triggers when you hit that distance % and this works in putting as well. I don’t even look at my guy when putting anymore. I just set my marker where it needs to go, pull back slowly and then push forward when I feel the rumble. Works pretty good. If I could only get the side to side break down I would be set. Now onto graphics settings and crowds and whatnot... It would make sense that input lag from your mouse or controller would increase with higher graphics settings since they do that in other games like shooters, so maybe we should play with potato settings for the performance increase. But that is sad.  the game looks beautiful and runs pretty well on my computer in 144hz I would hate to play something like this with ugly graphics just to stay competitive. I will have to do experiments. That’s one drawback from playing on pc rather than console. With a console, you can’t really adjust graphics settings, so everything stays consistent. But on PC, everybody has a different configuration. |
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Post by Oscar C on Sept 17, 2020 23:13:45 GMT -5
I’m With forty nothing, I need help to understand exactly what I’m getting wrong.
Is a slow result the forward swing or the delay at the top. Is a fast the backswing and forward swing combined .... should I be looking for a slower backswing followed by a faster forward swing like real golf or should they be the same like tgc19?
Help!
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 17, 2020 23:22:13 GMT -5
I’m With forty nothing, I need help to understand exactly what I’m getting wrong. Is a slow result the forward swing or the delay at the top. Is a fast the backswing and forward swing combined .... should I be looking for a slower backswing followed by a faster forward swing like real golf or should they be the same like tgc19? Help! Backswing tempo is not a thing at all anymore in PGA2k21. Go read that sentence again. So don't even take that into play at all.
A slow result means your push forward of the analog/mouse is slower than what it should be on your downswing only.
Having an overswing (getting to the full top of the swing) grants a small distance boost (1 to 5% max), but that comes at a large tempo penalty. Your range of tempo is narrowed much more than that few % that you gain in distance.
I have found that what looks on screen as almost a short swing gets your to the 100% swing. What one did in past versions to get the swing to the top/apex is definitely an overswing and a large tempo penalty in this version.
Hope that helps and I did not confuse you further.
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Post by Oscar C on Sept 18, 2020 0:28:46 GMT -5
I’m With forty nothing, I need help to understand exactly what I’m getting wrong. Is a slow result the forward swing or the delay at the top. Is a fast the backswing and forward swing combined .... should I be looking for a slower backswing followed by a faster forward swing like real golf or should they be the same like tgc19? Help! Backswing tempo is not a thing at all anymore in PGA2k21. Go read that sentence again. So don't even take that into play at all.
A slow result means your push forward of the analog/mouse is slower than what it should be on your downswing only.
Having an overswing (getting to the full top of the swing) grants a small distance boost (1 to 5% max), but that comes at a large tempo penalty. Your range of tempo is narrowed much more than that few % that you gain in distance.
I have found that what looks on screen as almost a short swing gets your to the 100% swing. What one did in past versions to get the swing to the top/apex is definitely an overswing and a large tempo penalty in this version.
Hope that helps and I did not confuse you further.
Sure does help. Bloody hell ive been trying to get a consistent back and forward swing. I will have to look into this. Thank you. Ps I read the first sentence twice before I read that you told me to lol |
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 18, 2020 1:49:31 GMT -5
I overswing on everything except partial shots and obviously putts. If I try to cut the swing short to prevent this, I tend to get too fast on the downswing trying to avoid a slow transition and everything goes way left, and/or the swing plane goes all over the place. I need to feel the thing hit the controller body to get any rhythm in it. I actually get more consistency with an "overswing" because it feels smoother and I can get that nice rhythm going. I don't do it for distance gain although I often have to use a club less because of it on approach shots.
I've been working on my method and have found one that works well enough for me to shoot around par most rounds, usually a few shots either side of even depending on my putting. What I'm doing is just easing the stick back pretty slowly, then firmly pushing forward, which allows me to just focus on the downswing speed and try to replicate it each shot. Played a few rounds the past couple of days doing this and have been hitting more consistently perfect or just outside it, reducing the amount of times I have to recover from bush or whatever.
I'm at a point now where I can feel if I've hit too fast or slow before the feedback even appears most times. I don't think the swing tempo is random, although I still have the odd random very slow that I can't explain but they're few and far between.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 18, 2020 3:35:02 GMT -5
I overswing on everything except partial shots and obviously putts. If I try to cut the swing short to prevent this, I tend to get too fast on the downswing trying to avoid a slow transition and everything goes way left, and/or the swing plane goes all over the place. I need to feel the thing hit the controller body to get any rhythm in it. I actually get more consistency with an "overswing" because it feels smoother and I can get that nice rhythm going. I don't do it for distance gain although I often have to use a club less because of it on approach shots. I've been working on my method and have found one that works well enough for me to shoot around par most rounds, usually a few shots either side of even depending on my putting. What I'm doing is just easing the stick back pretty slowly, then firmly pushing forward, which allows me to just focus on the downswing speed and try to replicate it each shot. Played a few rounds the past couple of days doing this and have been hitting more consistently perfect or just outside it, reducing the amount of times I have to recover from bush or whatever. I'm at a point now where I can feel if I've hit too fast or slow before the feedback even appears most times. I don't think the swing tempo is random, although I still have the odd random very slow that I can't explain but they're few and far between. You can still get less than 100% by hitting the plastic on the controller - just take the stick back quicker than your golfer's animation, then start the downswing. Swing in this game for me works as quite a quick "tick-tock", with no discernible pause. If you overswing every shot, you'll have a much lesser chance of hitting the correct tempo. Now, I've never done this, but here's a trick that could help all the same. Set a metronome on your phone or laptop, and match it up to your swing tempo - tick starts the backswing - tock starts the downswing, back and through. Now set that metronome faster, and faster, until you match it and you're getting less overswings... then work from there. |
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 18, 2020 3:40:58 GMT -5
Yeah I've tried that but it threw the swing plane out. I'm not really too bothered now, I can still hit it with enough consistency to not be as bad as I am in real life 😂
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Post by cliffs on Sept 18, 2020 5:35:16 GMT -5
I hate to think this because a ton of players wanted "overswing" capabilities but I think the swing problems most are having is because of the overswing. Hold your club at it's apex and then hit the ball...a lot more perfects you get but alas, not 100%. I could live without the overswing.
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the game looks beautiful and runs pretty well on my computer in 144hz I would hate to play something like this with ugly graphics just to stay competitive. I will have to do experiments. That’s one drawback from playing on pc rather than console. With a console, you can’t really adjust graphics settings, so everything stays consistent. But on PC, everybody has a different configuration. 
