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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 18:47:03 GMT -5
boomboom what exactly should my practice routine be on a daily basis? I'm trying to design one but don't know where to start. I do have a business to run and only have so many hours in the day for golf so I want to make the most efficient use of my time. What do you suggest? I'll follow it to the letter. Promise. I can spare about an hour a day except on tourney days where it takes me about 2 hours to get through my 4 rounds. Thanks. Go through this thread, there are instructions how to set up your green. Nail down your distances and figure out the wind first. Thanks Bryan. I guess I should have made myself more clear. My apologies for not doing so. I'd gone through the thread last week and made a note of all your tips. My question is this. Is there a specific order in which I should practice all of this? For example. This is the routine that I have come up with but don't know if it's the most efficient way of spending my time. Step 1) Practice drives off elevated tees to narrow twisty fairways. This is probably one of the most difficult things for me as I seem to end up in the rough most of the time, especially in strong winds. Step 2) Practice approach shots off of bad fairway lies. This is tough to do unless the practice hole I'm using has fairways with lots of undulations. But that's the goal. Step 3) Practice pitching to elevated greens with steep slopes going back down to fairway. As you know, this was one of the things I had the most trouble with and cost me an exemption to PGA in an earlier tourney. Step 4) Practice putting on all types of green speeds and slopes. This will require a number of practice holes to be setup. Step 5) Fine tune my wind playing. I have a special course setup for this where I get the exact distance without having to worry about carry which will be calculated separately depending on green firmness. The course is all water surrounding a tee box. This way you just make note of where the ball lands in the water and how far it went. I made my new charts from this method. Step 6) Practice approach shots to max firm greens. This is another big one for me that has cost me many strokes. This is the routine I have come up with. Is this logical? If so, how much time should I spend on each? Are there things above that you don't feel are important? Have I left out something that you feel is missing? Hopefully, this is more clear as I want to turn this into a daily workout. |
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Post by boomboom on Jul 19, 2016 21:14:20 GMT -5
All these seem great, All your non tournament rounds should be dedicated to nothing but practice all aspects of the game IMHO, so I can't give a time, it depends, but gotta say you do those, look out Mr Sweeney.
I created, a couple days ago, a practice putting green, that is 18 holes, 173 green speed, easy on the eyes, not to bad regarding circus putts, they are all make able, just really hard, you make even par here you will be considered an excellent putter. If you are on PC I have left a good ghost to follow at -5. Got pretty lucky as even par would be considered excellent IMHO. It has every putt you need to learn.
Putting Practice 173 by BoomBoom
Get good there, and no course will intimidate you ever again regarding putting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 21:35:58 GMT -5
All these seem great, All your non tournament rounds should be dedicated to nothing but practice all aspects of the game IMHO, so I can't give a time, it depends, but gotta say you do those, look out Mr Sweeney. I created, a couple days ago, a practice putting green, that is 18 holes, 173 green speed, easy on the eyes, not to bad regarding circus putts, they are all make able, just really hard, you make even par here you will be considered an excellent putter. If you are on PC I have left a good ghost to follow at -5. Got pretty lucky as even par would be considered excellent IMHO. It has every putt you need to learn. Putting Practice 173 by BoomBoom Get good there, and no course will intimidate you ever again regarding putting. Thanks Bryan. You have no idea how much I appreciate this. Off to practice before bed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 21:59:23 GMT -5
Shot 8 over on your putting course.
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Post by JV17 on Jul 20, 2016 21:26:54 GMT -5
I was testing those tips from boomboom, but I can't get the ball in the put... Only on very short distance...I think I realy suck...lol. Dont know what Im doing wrong at this point. I give up...I will stick in CC-E and maybe CC-Z if this continues. Errol, I had to respond to this comment... you sound like our boy @wagtunes when he first started playing. Perhaps a little less angry. Lol. Wags would rant, rave and complain about the game being too hard, and how this that and the other thing was stupid. He almost got kicked off of here and had even said he wasn't coming back on the forum. If I remember correctly, I believe it was Jim ABU_Bear that said, "You'll be back!" Remember that wags?! It was a dark time. Lol... Jim was right. Some of those threads are legendary! Now look at him... He worked hard and is already up on the Web.com tour, and a big resource and contributor to this forum. Probably hard for a newcomer to believe. That said, be patient... You'll get better in time. If you want to really move up the ranks and tours, you have to run with and trust a lot of tips on this forum, and practice, practice, practice. Yep... We talkin bout practice. Stick around... You'll have fun, even if you're not that good yet. Best of luck! And wags... Congrats on being the biggest turnaround story on the forum! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 21:57:02 GMT -5
I was testing those tips from boomboom, but I can't get the ball in the put... Only on very short distance...I think I realy suck...lol. Dont know what Im doing wrong at this point. I give up...I will stick in CC-E and maybe CC-Z if this continues. Errol, I had to respond to this comment... you sound like our boy @wagtunes when he first started playing. Perhaps a little less angry. Lol. Wags would rant, rave and complain about the game being too hard, and how this that and the other thing was stupid. He almost got kicked off of here and had even said he wasn't coming back on the forum. If I remember correctly, I believe it was Jim ABU_Bear that said, "You'll be back!" Remember that wags?! It was a dark time. Lol... Jim was right. Some of those threads are legendary! Now look at him... He worked hard and is already up on the Web.com tour, and a big resource and contributor to this forum. Probably hard for a newcomer to believe. That said, be patient... You'll get better in time. If you want to really move up the ranks and tours, you have to run with and trust a lot of tips on this forum, and practice, practice, practice. Yep... We talkin bout practice. Stick around... You'll have fun, even if you're not that good yet. Best of luck! And wags... Congrats on being the biggest turnaround story on the forum! You know what? This post made my day. Thanks. Hard to believe, isn't it. Could PGA be next? LOL. |
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Post by TreeWood on Jul 20, 2016 23:24:25 GMT -5
I was testing those tips from boomboom, but I can't get the ball in the put... Only on very short distance...I think I realy suck...lol. Dont know what Im doing wrong at this point. I give up...I will stick in CC-E and maybe CC-Z if this continues. Errol, I had to respond to this comment... you sound like our boy @wagtunes when he first started playing. Perhaps a little less angry. Lol. Wags would rant, rave and complain about the game being too hard, and how this that and the other thing was stupid. He almost got kicked off of here and had even said he wasn't coming back on the forum. If I remember correctly, I believe it was Jim ABU_Bear that said, "You'll be back!" Remember that wags?! It was a dark time. Lol... Jim was right. Some of those threads are legendary! Now look at him... He worked hard and is already up on the Web.com tour, and a big resource and contributor to this forum. Probably hard for a newcomer to believe. That said, be patient... You'll get better in time. If you want to really move up the ranks and tours, you have to run with and trust a lot of tips on this forum, and practice, practice, practice. Yep... We talkin bout practice. Stick around... You'll have fun, even if you're not that good yet. Best of luck! And wags... Congrats on being the biggest turnaround story on the forum! A long, slow clap for this! Well-said. I've even started listening to symphonies... |
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Post by Errol1967 on Jul 21, 2016 2:33:12 GMT -5
I was testing those tips from boomboom, but I can't get the ball in the put... Only on very short distance...I think I realy suck...lol. Dont know what Im doing wrong at this point. I give up...I will stick in CC-E and maybe CC-Z if this continues. Errol, I had to respond to this comment... you sound like our boy @wagtunes when he first started playing. Perhaps a little less angry. Lol. Wags would rant, rave and complain about the game being too hard, and how this that and the other thing was stupid. He almost got kicked off of here and had even said he wasn't coming back on the forum. If I remember correctly, I believe it was Jim ABU_Bear that said, "You'll be back!" Remember that wags?! It was a dark time. Lol... Jim was right. Some of those threads are legendary! Now look at him... He worked hard and is already up on the Web.com tour, and a big resource and contributor to this forum. Probably hard for a newcomer to believe. That said, be patient... You'll get better in time. If you want to really move up the ranks and tours, you have to run with and trust a lot of tips on this forum, and practice, practice, practice. Yep... We talkin bout practice. Stick around... You'll have fun, even if you're not that good yet. Best of luck! And wags... Congrats on being the biggest turnaround story on the forum! Your absolutely right mate. I need to practice much and much more... I know that and I realy like this game and this forum, so dont understand me wrong on this. This game has the best community and forum as far as I know it. |
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Post by boomboom on Jul 21, 2016 6:49:32 GMT -5
Next Tip, not really a tip to improve your mechanics but maybe mentally. I was lurking a stream last night and seen 2 comments that caused me concern for the players making the comments more than anything. Lets start with the 2 comments first, then I will look at the facts. - 1. "I have 3 degrees and cannot figure out the putting tip." - 2. "Anyone building the course has an automatic advantage and is guaranteed to finish top 10 if not win and should not be allowed to play" 1. Do I need to get into western school systems and their teaching philosophies. Degrees are no indication of intelligence, and it's a mistake to make judgements based on someones degrees or lack there-of. I'm no spring chicken and i can categorically state the smartest people I have met in life did not even go past grade 6. Lets face it, there's only 2 reason why someone does not get it. 1, they can't be bothered to try and 2, they are only looking at it with an eye to find it to be an exploit. Anyone looking at it and working with it, with an eye to make the effort to improve their game has no difficulty getting it. 2. Do I need to pull the stats of the course designers here, is it not already obvious, with the exception of a couple, that stated earlier as a fact has not played out true at all. As far as the couple, is it really unreasonable to conclude they likely would finish well no matter which course the event was held on. I admit climbing the ranks I struggled as well wondering how people are playing so well and looked for reasons for my inability and their ability. I hit the PGA tour and after success in the lower ranks immediately I was a middle of the road player, struggling to make the cut with no chance of winning. I spent a few weeks looking for reasons beyond my own ability and my own game for my own inability to succeed. Then I had a wallah moment. I stated to myself, what if i just stop looking at and for reasons why others are so good and decided to focus on my own ability and elevate my own game. I said to myself, what if the only reason they are so good is because they put in the work and are just simply good. What if they had no additional knowledge, no exploits, no secrets and were simply just that good. I can't participate in the various battles and requests for changes to bring them down to my level, I need elevate my game to their level if I'm going to be successful. My record speaks for itself, and in looking back, I can give you the exact date I had that wallah moment. Because it forced me to focus on me and what I need to do. Take this advice however you like, but until you focus internally and forget about externally, you have no chance. Just my humble opinion folks. However having said all that, I still think Ian is a cheating c$%t.  |
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Post by mcbogga on Jul 21, 2016 7:06:51 GMT -5
1. I get it and think it's an exploit. A legal exploit, so no issues with people using it but game would be better without it.
2. How true. I can barely shoot par around Balty...
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Post by Errol1967 on Jul 21, 2016 7:11:14 GMT -5
Next Tip, not really a tip to improve your mechanics but maybe mentally. I was lurking a stream last night and seen 2 comments that caused me concern for the players making the comments more than anything. Lets start with the 2 comments first, then I will look at the facts. - 1. "I have 3 degrees and cannot figure out the putting tip." - 2. "Anyone building the course has an automatic advantage and is guaranteed to finish top 10 if not win and should not be allowed to play" 1. Do I need to get into western school systems and their teaching philosophies. Degrees are no indication of intelligence, and it's a mistake to make judgements based on someones degrees or lack there-of. I'm no spring chicken and i can categorically state the smartest people I have met in life did not even go past grade 6. Lets face it, there's only 2 reason why someone does not get it. 1, they can't be bothered to try and 2, they are only looking at it with an eye to find it to be an exploit. Anyone looking at it and working with it, with an eye to make the effort to improve their game has no difficulty getting it. 2. Do I need to pull the stats of the course designers here, is it not already obvious, with the exception of a couple, that stated earlier as a fact has not played out true at all. As far as the couple, is it really unreasonable to conclude they likely would finish well no matter which course the event was held on. I admit climbing the ranks I struggled as well wondering how people are playing so well and looked for reasons for my inability and their ability. I hit the PGA tour and after success in the lower ranks immediately I was a middle of the road player, struggling to make the cut with no chance of winning. I spent a few weeks looking for reasons beyond my own ability and my own game for my own inability to succeed. Then I had a wallah moment. I stated to myself, what if i just stop looking at and for reasons why others are so good and decided to focus on my own ability and elevate my own game. I said to myself, what if the only reason they are so good is because they put in the work and are just simply good. What if they had no additional knowledge, no exploits, no secrets and were simply just that good. I can't participate in the various battles and requests for changes to bring them down to my level, I need elevate my game to their level if I'm going to be successful. My record speaks for itself, and in looking back, I can give you the exact date I had that wallah moment. Because it forced me to focus on me and what I need to do. Take this advice however you like, but until you focus internally and forget about externally, you have no chance. Just my humble opinion folks. However having said all that, I still think Ian is a cheating c$%t. I had that wallah moment yesterday and I shot for the first time on this game under par...-4 in a round setup CC-E , it's not much, but it's a start. I wanna thank you also for the loads of tips in this thread. Tnx BoomBoom. Kind regards. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 7:20:09 GMT -5
Next Tip, not really a tip to improve your mechanics but maybe mentally. I was lurking a stream last night and seen 2 comments that caused me concern for the players making the comments more than anything. Lets start with the 2 comments first, then I will look at the facts. - 1. "I have 3 degrees and cannot figure out the putting tip." - 2. "Anyone building the course has an automatic advantage and is guaranteed to finish top 10 if not win and should not be allowed to play" 1. Do I need to get into western school systems and their teaching philosophies. Degrees are no indication of intelligence, and it's a mistake to make judgements based on someones degrees or lack there-of. I'm no spring chicken and i can categorically state the smartest people I have met in life did not even go past grade 6. Lets face it, there's only 2 reason why someone does not get it. 1, they can't be bothered to try and 2, they are only looking at it with an eye to find it to be an exploit. Anyone looking at it and working with it, with an eye to make the effort to improve their game has no difficulty getting it. 2. Do I need to pull the stats of the course designers here, is it not already obvious, with the exception of a couple, that stated earlier as a fact has not played out true at all. As far as the couple, is it really unreasonable to conclude they likely would finish well no matter which course the event was held on. I admit climbing the ranks I struggled as well wondering how people are playing so well and looked for reasons for my inability and their ability. I hit the PGA tour and after success in the lower ranks immediately I was a middle of the road player, struggling to make the cut with no chance of winning. I spent a few weeks looking for reasons beyond my own ability and my own game for my own inability to succeed. Then I had a wallah moment. I stated to myself, what if i just stop looking at and for reasons why others are so good and decided to focus on my own ability and elevate my own game. I said to myself, what if the only reason they are so good is because they put in the work and are just simply good. What if they had no additional knowledge, no exploits, no secrets and were simply just that good. I can't participate in the various battles and requests for changes to bring them down to my level, I need elevate my game to their level if I'm going to be successful. My record speaks for itself, and in looking back, I can give you the exact date I had that wallah moment. Because it forced me to focus on me and what I need to do. Take this advice however you like, but until you focus internally and forget about externally, you have no chance. Just my humble opinion folks. However having said all that, I still think Ian is a cheating c$%t. Probably your best tip of all. The story of my discontent with this game is well documented. I was the poster boy for looking for excuses. Finally, I decided to stop being an A hole and put the blame squarely on where it belonged...my own shoulders. From there, the willingness to listen to the advice of others and a crap ton of practice got me up to Web. Now I still have a long way to go. There are very few areas of my game that I'd say are rock solid. And the areas where I'm weak are probably the most important areas as far as seeing dramatic improvement goes. Putting - I still stink. Relatively speaking. I should never miss 5 foot putts anymore. But those nasty breakers still give me fits. And it doesn't matter if I miss a 20 footer for birdie by 2 feet or 2 inches. It's still a miss and goes in the scorecard as a par. Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear bombs. Yes, I'm improved, but when it comes to putting, very few are experts. Unless it's that cheating Ian guy. Chipping - Much better. But again, anything inside of 7 yards I should never miss. Not even by an inch. So I still have to work on that part of my game. Pitching - Boy have I got a long way to go here. I'm much better. But there are too many shots where I am still way off. I should be able to get within 4 feet of the hole with every pitch shot. No excuses. Approach Shots - I always believed that the best players were the best players because their approach shots all landed within 4 feet of the hole. Well, I quickly discovered this isn't true. Yes, they get relatively close, but they still have to make some long putts. I still believe that I should be able to get within 4 feet of the hole on every approach and that's what I aim for. High goals? Probably. But if you don't set them high you only end up settling for mediocrity. Driving - Still not perfect but very close to it. But this is the easiest part of the game, so what? I still work on making it better. I now don't just aim for the middle of the fairway. I now aim for a very specific part of the fairway depending on the rest of the hole. Finally, I've come to realize that there is no actual physical skill involved in this game. We're not swinging golf clubs. If The Machine can shoot 58 on Legacy then so can I. It's a video game. It's not cold hard steel in your hands. It's 0s and 1s in binary code somewhere on a chip in your mother board. The same shot is going to have the same result every time you shoot it. Every putt can be made if you have the calculations down correctly. It all comes down to how hard you're willing to work to get those calculations down correctly. That's what separates the men from the boys...doing the work. As far as designers having an advantage, please. Have you seen the scores some of these guys put up? No offense, but that's why they spend more time designing than they do playing. And I'm grateful for that. It's because of these amazing designers that we have this game at all. I tried my hand at designing. I stunk. It isn't for me. I don't have the eye for it, nor the patience to learn how to actually design a course. I'll leave that to the guys who are good at it while I spend my time trying to get good at something I actually have a chance to get good at. Am I going to make the PGA? Someday. But it won't be for any other reason than I put in the work. I made a major breakthrough this week when I finally started to examine the greens closely before I hit my approach shot. Yes, it takes me longer to finish a round now. So what? I'd rather finish a round in 45 minutes and finish top 25 than finish a round in 25 minutes and miss a cut. Priorities. What are yours? |
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Post by mcbogga on Jul 21, 2016 7:56:39 GMT -5
Actually it has been shown that the same shot is not going to have the same result every time it's hit. It's one of the best part of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 8:09:10 GMT -5
Actually it has been shown that the same shot is not going to have the same result every time it's hit. It's one of the best part of the game. Well, there is that odd ball squirt and other anomalies, but for the most part (at least to my observation, especially playing courses over and over) if you land the ball in the same place every time (easier said than done) you're going to get relatively the same result. Otherwise, when playing with ghosts (which I don't do anymore) you wouldn't see all those drives off the tee clumping around the same place on the fairway. Yes, there is some variance. But, IMO, it's minor. Again, just my own personal observations from playing this game for now about a year. |
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Post by boomboom on Jul 21, 2016 9:57:40 GMT -5
Great conversation, conversation of a winner IMHO. Wags you will get there, I would bet on it.
My priorities for much as what McBogga just said I have all but given up on getting closer to the hole. Completely pointless for me now to put any more work on that. Given nothing random happening I'm pretty sure I can drop a ball onto a pin now. We don't have an average proximity to the hole stat to rely on, however I would bet I'd be a mile away from under 5 feet, or even 10 feet and likely even more in my better tournament showings. I can't figure out for the life of me why wind has a jump off the tee effect on a par 3 sometimes and not others and why sometimes uneven lies has impact and other times not. I have given up any hope of figuring that out. I'm sticking with it's completely random, but I'm also going to just live with its completely random and is not going to change anytime soon.
So my priority now, is solely and strictly limited to putting which would be why I built and shared my putting green with everyone, which is where you will find me if anyone needs me from here on in.
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