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Post by unclefester75 on Jan 15, 2016 8:42:25 GMT -5
I think everything is fine as it is. Think about this, what if everyone was placed where they were supposed to be? What would the cut lines look like then? -40 wins, -32 is the cut line and -24 is last place? Imagine how tight the tournaments would be.
How about this idea, maybe 3 to 4 times a year there is a Q school event for each level. The bottom ePGA/PGA and the top WEB folks play in a tournament and move up or down accordingly. Also, another Q School tournament for the bottom WEB and Top CC, same adjustments made. Or maybe there can be some cross-over events throughout the year where the ePGA/PGA and WEB play the same tournaments. Same for WEB and CC. I know that the idea of this whole TGCTOURS thing is to mimic the real world but it should move faster here than the real pro tours. For example, the real WGR is on a 2 year calendar, remember when Tiger was still world #1 and didn't even play for several months?
You could also do some events where everyone plays the same course for that week (although different tours in the game), that would really help to see where everyone is in terms of skill level. For example, Magnolia Lane PRO, Magnolia Lane WEB, Magnolia Lane CC. Same conditions. The leader-boards would indicate who should be where.
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Post by coggin66 on Jan 15, 2016 9:38:41 GMT -5
I agree that automatic promotion / demotion rules should be in place across all tours / tiers. Why should the lower half of the main tours get protected from those in the upper parts of the tours below? Especially now that the new WGR is more weighted towards the higher tiers as well.
Anybody who has come through the CC ranks is used to the carrot of promotion and the stick of demotion.
And I know there is more protection from being kicked off the tours IRL but that insures against the highs and lows of a 15-20 year career. As much as I love this game, this version of TGC probably has no more than a 5 year life so the turnover cycle should be much faster than RL.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 19, 2016 2:23:09 GMT -5
Time to get off the WGR horse and get back on this one !
I noticed since the WGR change a lot more webbers have taken there exemptions so that's a good start but still beleave the mandatory exemptions are a must .
I shot a -40 on a tricky course this week and have no chance of a top 5 such is the calibre which has been back logged on web. Even more concerning a fellow Irishman has shot -44 and that isn't even certain of a top 5.
There is probably 20/30 players on web that IMO should be up on PGA/Euro but due to minimal exemptions been taken in the first 1/4 of the season has caused a bottleneck in web
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Post by mcbogga on Jan 19, 2016 3:24:00 GMT -5
Mandatory exemptions is a no brainer imo before any talk of demotions from the top tours.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 19, 2016 3:58:47 GMT -5
Mandatory exemptions is a no brainer imo before any talk of demotions from the top tours. I agree lets fill up the Pro Tours aggressively then worry about room for movement between the tours. Even if we had 145 in both with a cap at 155 there would be tours that would be full enough with room to move! |
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Post by gmg on Jan 19, 2016 4:35:06 GMT -5
Also, having one feeder tour (Web) going into two main tours (PGA and Euro) seems a tad harder to predict the flow of exemptions. Is it time TGCTours thought about adding the European Tour feeder tour? Those who want to end up on PGA play the Web, those who want to end up on Euros go through the Challenge Tour. Benefits could mean another course out of thousands in the database gets plays plus it'll be easier to maintain the flow between top tours and feeders. Maybe have to ditch the CCE in order to have fuller fields. And whilst I'm at it, crossovers could only be available for those in the top 100 in the WGR. ON THE EURO TOUR. THIS WEEK WE HAVE A PGA PLAYER RANKED 1000+ WHO PLAYED 3/ MISSED CUTS 3 WHO CHOSE THE PGA TOUR HOW THAT FAIR ON THE EURO CUT LINERS. DEMOTE THE PLAYERS WHO NOT PLAYING ( ESP. PLAYERS WHO ENTERING TOUR. 10/12 LAST TOUR THEN NOT PLAYING (SAME PEOPLE)BEFORE DEMOTING PEOPLE WHO PLAY AND SUMMIT SCORES EVERY WEEK.( ONE PLAYER STILL HOLDS EURO CARD 10 +DQ°S WITHDRAWN LAST WEEK AFTER NOT PLAING SINCE AUG SORRY BURTON ) |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 19, 2016 10:54:33 GMT -5
Just done a little bit of Maths and was quite surprised with the results.
on PGA currently there are 218 card holders which means over the last 5 tournaments excluding the minor events the average turn out is 60%
on Euro currently there are 164 card holders which means over the last 5 tournaments excluding the minor events the average turn out is 70%
So an average of 65% which means 1 of every 3 card holders sits out each week!!!
Main question is how many inactive players are holding PGA/Euro cards? this from an outsiders view is startling and giving probably a false full look to the tours If in-actives were demoted over time say every 8 weeks even they drop a tour it would give a truer look to the tours.
Euro is clearly needing bodies (40+)with only 114-125 playing each week (last 5)
PGA probably only needs 10-15 bodies its nearly operating at a 140ish field.
still that's a shortfall of 50+ players in the top tiers.
More reasoning for a more aggressive Promotion Procedure in the short term IMO.
Lets be realistic we want our showcase tours been full and the aspiration to reach for all players! Don't we?
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Post by dh-nufc on Jan 19, 2016 11:09:19 GMT -5
Just done a little bit of Maths and was quite surprised with the results. on PGA currently there are 218 card holders which means over the last 5 tournaments excluding the minor events the average turn out is 60% on Euro currently there are 164 card holders which means over the last 5 tournaments excluding the minor events the average turn out is 70% So an average of 65% which means 1 of every 3 card holders sits out each week!!! Main question is how many inactive players are holding PGA/Euro cards? this from an outsiders view is startling and giving probably a false full look to the tours If in-actives were demoted over time say every 8 weeks even they drop a tour it would give a truer look to the tours. Euro is clearly needing bodies (40+)with only 114-125 playing each week (last 5) PGA probably only needs 10-15 bodies its nearly operating at a 140ish field. still that's a shortfall of 50+ players in the top tiers. More reasoning for a more aggressive Promotion Procedure in the short term IMO. Lets be realistic we want our showcase tours been full and the aspiration to reach for all players! Don't we? Some good stats there and with the top 40 players out of web I would be ranked 4th!!! I still think some of the playesr in CC-A and maybe eevn lower are better than those struggling in the top tours. It's impossible to get the levels right as people improve so quickly but your suggestion would help. |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 19, 2016 11:20:03 GMT -5
Just done a little bit of Maths and was quite surprised with the results. on PGA currently there are 218 card holders which means over the last 5 tournaments excluding the minor events the average turn out is 60% on Euro currently there are 164 card holders which means over the last 5 tournaments excluding the minor events the average turn out is 70% So an average of 65% which means 1 of every 3 card holders sits out each week!!! Main question is how many inactive players are holding PGA/Euro cards? this from an outsiders view is startling and giving probably a false full look to the tours If in-actives were demoted over time say every 8 weeks even they drop a tour it would give a truer look to the tours. Euro is clearly needing bodies (40+)with only 114-125 playing each week (last 5) PGA probably only needs 10-15 bodies its nearly operating at a 140ish field. still that's a shortfall of 50+ players in the top tiers. More reasoning for a more aggressive Promotion Procedure in the short term IMO. Lets be realistic we want our showcase tours been full and the aspiration to reach for all players! Don't we? Some good stats there and with the top 40 players out of web I would be ranked 4th!!! I still think some of the playesr in CC-A and maybe eevn lower are better than those struggling in the top tours. It's impossible to get the levels right as people improve so quickly but your suggestion would help. Just to point out I don't mean grab top 40 from Web and throw them in! Something like across the board: Win Event Auto Promotion 2-5 Mandatory Exemption 6-10 Voluntary Exemption and 3 x 2-10 finishes equals auto promotion Something structured that will speed up the process but not buying a new car because you parked under a birds nest. Give it some red bull not *enter banned substance here*. |
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Post by dh-nufc on Jan 19, 2016 12:03:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that was pretty much my idea earlier in this thread or another one so you're either a plagiarist or it's true that great minds think alike!!! I still like the idea of putting the top 40 up mind  |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 20, 2016 18:55:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that was pretty much my idea earlier in this thread or another one so you're either a plagiarist or it's true that great minds think alike!!! I still like the idea of putting the top 40 up mind Thought it was the voice in my head maybe I did read and tweak it at some point. It is a solid idea though |
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Post by scarpacci on Jan 22, 2016 22:54:32 GMT -5
I think the fact that 2 players from the web were -20 on the pga after 2 rounds and nearly missed the cut is proof enough that there needs to be a change. If they can shoot -20 on the pga, they belong in the pga.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Jan 23, 2016 0:15:17 GMT -5
When the bottom players in CC-A week in and week out would earn a strike in any other tier below them but escape the strike system because under 70 players enter the tournament...something is wrong.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jan 23, 2016 4:33:13 GMT -5
When the bottom players in CC-A week in and week out would earn a strike in any other tier below them but escape the strike system because under 70 players enter the tournament...something is wrong. Another example of why there is more aggressive promotions needed across the board . Didn't know it was that shallow in CCA ! |
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Post by dh-nufc on Jan 23, 2016 5:08:10 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's down to a lot of successful promotions to the web and no demotions. Tim mentioned there is going to be a change in rules soon to make it more dynamic. Could be bad news for us cut missers
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