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Post by Brighttail on Aug 31, 2015 19:59:40 GMT -5
Hey, i agree, one should be able to use the mouse properly optimized on PC.....Just stating what happened in Early Access beta release....HB actually lost a few old time pc users who would not change to.. PP....Those guys are still over there and happy....could give names, but why bother....you may know some already.....a visit to the site, pretty easy to figure who they are....Actually, a couple come back to HB on occasion just to leave a comment... I may use the mouse at PP myself when it is out of Early Access..... Just making the distinction between EA and Early Access.......Hah..  All that being said the PC swing is being revamped very soon and like the controllers, we'll have to relearn the swing. CRINGE! |
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Post by karma4u on Aug 31, 2015 20:18:59 GMT -5
Everything ............EVOLVES.............we may not think for the better but.........still evolves
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Post by misternic on Aug 31, 2015 21:47:22 GMT -5
Considering I have done extensive research on this with Anthony from HB and using about 8 different mice, I can tell everyone definitively that just about any NEW mouse, set at default will be defaulted at a DPI that is simply too high to play this game, PERIOD. Controllers are not like mice. Mice now a days are all about raising the DPI. The reason is that monitors and resolutions are rising, so must DPI on mice. When a monitor was 800x600, a mouse with 800DPI would do, meaning you would have to move the mouse a couple of inches to get from one side of the screen to another. As Monitor resolutions raised from 800x600 to 2k, 3k, and 4k .... a normal mouse would not be able to get from one side of the screen to the other without having to raise the mouse off the mouse pad, go back to where you started and repeat the process until the pointer made it to the other side of the screen. That being said, because everyone has different types and sizes of screens, mouse manufacturers not only raised the DPI of mice but allowed the user to set DPIs for their own preference. Whereas one person who is using multiple screens might need 6k DPI a person who is playing a first person shooter may prefer 400 DPI for those sniper shots. Others who play MMORPG games may like some DPI in the middle. The point is we now have a CHOICE! Controllers on the other hand were never meant to have the adjustment and customization as a mouse. Most controllers are used for a game. A mouse must be able to be used for a game then used for daily PC life and work after the game is done. My guess is those that play with a controller on a PC, don't use the controller for daily work, you use a mouse. This means you are using TWO SEPARATE DPIs, one for gaming (the controller) and one for your daily tasks (the mouse). This is exactly what people who play with a mouse does, except we can "set" the mouse depending on the activity we are doing instead of switching over to a controller. As for setting the DPI or the X-axis lower as has been stated here, that is a different issue. The game was tested and recommended for an 800 DPI mouse. There are VERY VERY VERY few new mice that come set at that rate, instead anyone who has an adjustable mouse has to set it lower from the default. Anthony and Lorin back when he was around both have said that just cause 800 is the recommended, some may play with a DPI lower and some higher. A person dropping the X-axis down to 200, wow.. I'm amazed he can swing or putt long distances. That is a rate that is so low the swing has to be several inches just to generate enough power to hit the ball 100%. At this point the API used is only seeing those who are absolutely straight that have the x-axis to 0 or angle snapping on, either of those should trigger alarms. At this point I see no rules on anything other than having a perfect swing. When you start trying to adjust the rules beyond that, the question arises how are you going to catch them, how are you going to enforce it and what are the limits? I remember several controller users talking about using two thumbs. Is that going to be bannced? I have heard some using books on either side of the controller joystick or rubber bands... Should these be illegal? One could argue those are aids and are outside the standard use of the controller. Well lowering the x-axis on the mouse does not fall under that definition of an "aid" outside the general use of the mouse. And once again, how do you patrol this? How do you know if someone is using an aide or reducing the axis? Finally remember that reducing the DPI of a mouse, registrars as reducing the x-axis, because it does. It reduces both x AND Y. So as you see and as I hope i have explained, this isn't cut n dry. Great summary. I think the only way to measure is result (perfectly straight consistently). I dont judge anyone for changing DPI, the fact that HB has a reccomendation should be a target for mouse players imo. In that sense it is on the player. I can only worry about my own morality. Not to turn this towards religion, but St Paul wrote - "live out your own salvation with fear and trembling". Basically worry about your own behaviour. |
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Post by canthitstraight on Aug 31, 2015 22:21:02 GMT -5
This thread made me checkup my mouse dpi. I've got an 8 year old mouse, Logitech G5. It has 3 default speeds, 400, 800, and 2000 dpi. 800 certainly feels the most natural of them all.
If they really change the mechanics of the swing, I hope it won't be by much. After 160 hours of game time, I feel like I'm finally starting to have a handle on it.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 31, 2015 23:00:37 GMT -5
This thread made me checkup my mouse dpi. I've got an 8 year old mouse, Logitech G5. It has 3 default speeds, 400, 800, and 2000 dpi. 800 certainly feels the most natural of them all. If they really change the mechanics of the swing, I hope it won't be by much. After 160 hours of game time, I feel like I'm finally starting to have a handle on it. Make sure you don't have anything called "Angle snapping" enabled. Logitech and Corsair are notorious for turning those options on (in the mice that support them) when you install the drivers and their software. I think it will be okay in the end, it will take some time getting used to again, just like their putting updates earlier. I just hope they don't do it during the playoffs! |
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Post by canthitstraight on Aug 31, 2015 23:02:57 GMT -5
This thread made me checkup my mouse dpi. I've got an 8 year old mouse, Logitech G5. It has 3 default speeds, 400, 800, and 2000 dpi. 800 certainly feels the most natural of them all. If they really change the mechanics of the swing, I hope it won't be by much. After 160 hours of game time, I feel like I'm finally starting to have a handle on it. Make sure you don't have anything called "Angle snapping" enabled. Logitech and Corsair are notorious for turning those options on (in the mice that support them) when you install the drivers and their software. I think it will be okay in the end, it will take some time getting used to again, just like their putting updates earlier. I just hope they don't do it during the playoffs! I don't even have the Logitech drivers or software installed, just using the default windows 7 configuration. What does angle snapping do? |
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Post by edi_vedder on Sept 1, 2015 18:10:29 GMT -5
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 1, 2015 18:50:38 GMT -5
Great video. Only thing I have to say is the mice that I have used never had a setting that you could adjust the amount of angle snapping, it was either on or off via a check mark or X, so I have no idea how adjusting the level would work. |
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Post by roblandon on Sept 5, 2015 5:39:08 GMT -5
The elastic band one is funny can't believe people would subject their controller to such contraband! see what I did there? hehe, sorry 'leaves room'.
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Post by randy on Sept 5, 2015 17:44:23 GMT -5
For all you people that say im a cheater because I edged, I have good news for you all, I pulled myself from your tours so no need to get on my case anymore ok. Having said that I just changed my mouse to many different settings an found that free handing with default settings was the best ok, playing a non tour round hit maybe 4-5 straight shots an scored -4-5 an hit the ball fairly decent (none out of the park per say) ok, then I just finished round 2 an 3 of the pga tour an I hope that any1 in here that has not played those rounds please ghost me an you will see that I hit the ball decent for the most part except for like 4 drives that went completely out of the park?  ( cost me large in strokes) im like WTF is going on here? Is it because ur being monitored? (API) thats causing this problem or not? Im not here to get on anyones case or turn the place upside down but to figure out what the problem is with this game (cause it has issues or the API is affecting it I don't know) or maybe my brand new machine is garbage?? All I know is im playing fine with my mates on a fun round an all is good, other then putting im a mess at that, however like I said maybe 4 straight shots a round an score decent, The ghosts I played with in the 2nd an 3rd round of pga were spraying them (according to the line in the cone) but went fairly straight down the middle? .....my Question is , is are there people that can munipulte there shots like edge every other shot so you don't get flaged cause I seen it for my own eyes? an before you answer that, I can asure you if I new how to record the ghost people that I played with I would have proof of my accuastions, Its happing right under our noses Doyley, (BTW you were the only 1 that didn't hit 1 straight line an shot an excellent round) its like my last post I said how many straight shots are we allowed in this game or not, its like pick an choose what fwys you wanta hit for your 3rd straight shot or not an so on an so on, Please guys im not knocking this game or the tour, I just think that we all need to be on a level playing field an be told what controller we can an cannot use for the PC an consels players in a different leauge then us pc users IMO, over an out . hope everything works out for your Tour Doyley Best regards Randall |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 18:13:13 GMT -5
API is data looked at after an event. It has nothing to do with when you are actually playing. Since I finished my 4 rounds early you possibly had my ghost alongside, and I take offense at your accusatory tone if I was among that group you played alongside.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 5, 2015 18:15:59 GMT -5
There is nothing within the API that will effect your game. It is a read only program. It reads the data and that is it. The only thing it is designed for is to alert whoever is reading it on the number of strokes that were hit 100% or 99.9998 straight. Basically straighter than a person could hit it without an aid.
If you are being monitored there is no magic switch that they turn off or turn on to make your game better/worse. It just means they will look at the data from this program. That is all.
The other thing that you really can't count on is watching ghost balls when it comes to shots. It is unreliable at best. I have played life with a friend and it will show they hit outside the cone on my screen but they will say they are near straight. It will show on my screen they hit a shot at 51% when the hit it 100%, so playing live and ghosting really is only reliable to show the results of a shot, whether they ended up in the fairway, rough, bunker or on the green AND the score they made. The shots themselves is not reliable.
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Post by randy on Sept 5, 2015 18:37:22 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply Brighttail,
I just thought is seemed Odd that I just played a round none tour round per say an I hit good shots an then when I went an play round 2 of the PGA tour all hell broke lose....im like wtf?? I hit the ball fine in the round just min's ago an then I start shanking or hooking the hell out of em, werid? maybe different courses causes it, but I do watch my frame rates cause it makes a big difference, I say you just had to be there to see it, im not to convinced this game is all what I have made it up to be thats for sure, Im sure im not the only 1 that can relate to my last post, but we will see how many can be truthful on this straight shooting subject, so far maybe 3 other then myself,
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Post by canthitstraight on Sept 5, 2015 18:42:04 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply Brighttail, I just thought is seemed Odd that I just played a round none tour round per say an I hit good shots an then when I went an play round 2 of the PGA tour all hell broke lose....im like wtf?? I hit the ball fine in the round just min's ago an then I start shanking or hooking the hell out of em, werid? maybe different courses causes it, but I do watch my frame rates cause it makes a big difference, I say you just had to be there to see it, im not to convinced this game is all what I have made it up to be thats for sure, Im sure im not the only 1 that can relate to my last post, but we will see how many can be truthful on this straight shooting subject, so far maybe 3 other then myself, What you just described has happened to me a number of times before. I just attribute it to mental fatigue. |
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Post by edi_vedder on Sept 5, 2015 18:52:42 GMT -5
...or plain stupidity! Don't get me wrong here, I'm affected by this "myth" often enough myself! |
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( cost me large in strokes) im like WTF is going on here? Is it because ur being monitored? (API) thats causing this problem or not?
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