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Post by Brighttail on Aug 31, 2015 12:17:25 GMT -5
Considering I have done extensive research on this with Anthony from HB and using about 8 different mice, I can tell everyone definitively that just about any NEW mouse, set at default will be defaulted at a DPI that is simply too high to play this game, PERIOD.
Controllers are not like mice. Mice now a days are all about raising the DPI. The reason is that monitors and resolutions are rising, so must DPI on mice. When a monitor was 800x600, a mouse with 800DPI would do, meaning you would have to move the mouse a couple of inches to get from one side of the screen to another. As Monitor resolutions raised from 800x600 to 2k, 3k, and 4k .... a normal mouse would not be able to get from one side of the screen to the other without having to raise the mouse off the mouse pad, go back to where you started and repeat the process until the pointer made it to the other side of the screen.
That being said, because everyone has different types and sizes of screens, mouse manufacturers not only raised the DPI of mice but allowed the user to set DPIs for their own preference. Whereas one person who is using multiple screens might need 6k DPI a person who is playing a first person shooter may prefer 400 DPI for those sniper shots. Others who play MMORPG games may like some DPI in the middle. The point is we now have a CHOICE!
Controllers on the other hand were never meant to have the adjustment and customization as a mouse. Most controllers are used for a game. A mouse must be able to be used for a game then used for daily PC life and work after the game is done. My guess is those that play with a controller on a PC, don't use the controller for daily work, you use a mouse. This means you are using TWO SEPARATE DPIs, one for gaming (the controller) and one for your daily tasks (the mouse). This is exactly what people who play with a mouse does, except we can "set" the mouse depending on the activity we are doing instead of switching over to a controller.
As for setting the DPI or the X-axis lower as has been stated here, that is a different issue. The game was tested and recommended for an 800 DPI mouse. There are VERY VERY VERY few new mice that come set at that rate, instead anyone who has an adjustable mouse has to set it lower from the default. Anthony and Lorin back when he was around both have said that just cause 800 is the recommended, some may play with a DPI lower and some higher. A person dropping the X-axis down to 200, wow.. I'm amazed he can swing or putt long distances. That is a rate that is so low the swing has to be several inches just to generate enough power to hit the ball 100%.
At this point the API used is only seeing those who are absolutely straight that have the x-axis to 0 or angle snapping on, either of those should trigger alarms.
At this point I see no rules on anything other than having a perfect swing. When you start trying to adjust the rules beyond that, the question arises how are you going to catch them, how are you going to enforce it and what are the limits? I remember several controller users talking about using two thumbs. Is that going to be bannced? I have heard some using books on either side of the controller joystick or rubber bands... Should these be illegal? One could argue those are aids and are outside the standard use of the controller. Well lowering the x-axis on the mouse does not fall under that definition of an "aid" outside the general use of the mouse. And once again, how do you patrol this? How do you know if someone is using an aide or reducing the axis? Finally remember that reducing the DPI of a mouse, registrars as reducing the x-axis, because it does. It reduces both x AND Y.
So as you see and as I hope i have explained, this isn't cut n dry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:22:35 GMT -5
For PC mice users, DPI I have no idea on as I have no expertise in this area to offer an opinion, but if anyone edges... that is B.S. and cheating the system.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 12:33:56 GMT -5
If you think you're cheating then you probably are cheating.
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Post by Airik3333 on Aug 31, 2015 12:50:14 GMT -5
I have heard some using books on either side of the controller joystick or rubber bands... Should these be illegal? LOL... I could see myself sitting there with books and a rubber band and my wife walks in the room.. She would be like "umm, what the hell are you doing?" |
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Post by CGilb on Aug 31, 2015 15:52:18 GMT -5
I have heard some using books on either side of the controller joystick or rubber bands... Should these be illegal? LOL... I could see myself sitting there with books and a rubber band and my wife walks in the room.. She would be like "umm, what the hell are you doing?" Anything that allows straight shooting is illegal and the API should be able to detect if someone is not deviating from the x-axis much. |
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Post by CGilb on Aug 31, 2015 15:54:29 GMT -5
Considering I have done extensive research on this with Anthony from HB and using about 8 different mice, I can tell everyone definitively that just about any NEW mouse, set at default will be defaulted at a DPI that is simply too high to play this game, PERIOD. Controllers are not like mice. Mice now a days are all about raising the DPI. The reason is that monitors and resolutions are rising, so must DPI on mice. When a monitor was 800x600, a mouse with 800DPI would do, meaning you would have to move the mouse a couple of inches to get from one side of the screen to another. As Monitor resolutions raised from 800x600 to 2k, 3k, and 4k .... a normal mouse would not be able to get from one side of the screen to the other without having to raise the mouse off the mouse pad, go back to where you started and repeat the process until the pointer made it to the other side of the screen. That being said, because everyone has different types and sizes of screens, mouse manufacturers not only raised the DPI of mice but allowed the user to set DPIs for their own preference. Whereas one person who is using multiple screens might need 6k DPI a person who is playing a first person shooter may prefer 400 DPI for those sniper shots. Others who play MMORPG games may like some DPI in the middle. The point is we now have a CHOICE! Controllers on the other hand were never meant to have the adjustment and customization as a mouse. Most controllers are used for a game. A mouse must be able to be used for a game then used for daily PC life and work after the game is done. My guess is those that play with a controller on a PC, don't use the controller for daily work, you use a mouse. This means you are using TWO SEPARATE DPIs, one for gaming (the controller) and one for your daily tasks (the mouse). This is exactly what people who play with a mouse does, except we can "set" the mouse depending on the activity we are doing instead of switching over to a controller. As for setting the DPI or the X-axis lower as has been stated here, that is a different issue. The game was tested and recommended for an 800 DPI mouse. There are VERY VERY VERY few new mice that come set at that rate, instead anyone who has an adjustable mouse has to set it lower from the default. Anthony and Lorin back when he was around both have said that just cause 800 is the recommended, some may play with a DPI lower and some higher. A person dropping the X-axis down to 200, wow.. I'm amazed he can swing or putt long distances. That is a rate that is so low the swing has to be several inches just to generate enough power to hit the ball 100%. At this point the API used is only seeing those who are absolutely straight that have the x-axis to 0 or angle snapping on, either of those should trigger alarms. At this point I see no rules on anything other than having a perfect swing. When you start trying to adjust the rules beyond that, the question arises how are you going to catch them, how are you going to enforce it and what are the limits? I remember several controller users talking about using two thumbs. Is that going to be bannced? I have heard some using books on either side of the controller joystick or rubber bands... Should these be illegal? One could argue those are aids and are outside the standard use of the controller. Well lowering the x-axis on the mouse does not fall under that definition of an "aid" outside the general use of the mouse. And once again, how do you patrol this? How do you know if someone is using an aide or reducing the axis? Finally remember that reducing the DPI of a mouse, registrars as reducing the x-axis, because it does. It reduces both x AND Y. So as you see and as I hope i have explained, this isn't cut n dry. So it sounds like we just get rid of PC and only use consoles, eh? |
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Post by theduke21 on Aug 31, 2015 16:24:22 GMT -5
Considering I have done extensive research on this with Anthony from HB and using about 8 different mice, I can tell everyone definitively that just about any NEW mouse, set at default will be defaulted at a DPI that is simply too high to play this game, PERIOD. Controllers are not like mice. Mice now a days are all about raising the DPI. The reason is that monitors and resolutions are rising, so must DPI on mice. When a monitor was 800x600, a mouse with 800DPI would do, meaning you would have to move the mouse a couple of inches to get from one side of the screen to another. As Monitor resolutions raised from 800x600 to 2k, 3k, and 4k .... a normal mouse would not be able to get from one side of the screen to the other without having to raise the mouse off the mouse pad, go back to where you started and repeat the process until the pointer made it to the other side of the screen. That being said, because everyone has different types and sizes of screens, mouse manufacturers not only raised the DPI of mice but allowed the user to set DPIs for their own preference. Whereas one person who is using multiple screens might need 6k DPI a person who is playing a first person shooter may prefer 400 DPI for those sniper shots. Others who play MMORPG games may like some DPI in the middle. The point is we now have a CHOICE! Controllers on the other hand were never meant to have the adjustment and customization as a mouse. Most controllers are used for a game. A mouse must be able to be used for a game then used for daily PC life and work after the game is done. My guess is those that play with a controller on a PC, don't use the controller for daily work, you use a mouse. This means you are using TWO SEPARATE DPIs, one for gaming (the controller) and one for your daily tasks (the mouse). This is exactly what people who play with a mouse does, except we can "set" the mouse depending on the activity we are doing instead of switching over to a controller. As for setting the DPI or the X-axis lower as has been stated here, that is a different issue. The game was tested and recommended for an 800 DPI mouse. There are VERY VERY VERY few new mice that come set at that rate, instead anyone who has an adjustable mouse has to set it lower from the default. Anthony and Lorin back when he was around both have said that just cause 800 is the recommended, some may play with a DPI lower and some higher. A person dropping the X-axis down to 200, wow.. I'm amazed he can swing or putt long distances. That is a rate that is so low the swing has to be several inches just to generate enough power to hit the ball 100%. At this point the API used is only seeing those who are absolutely straight that have the x-axis to 0 or angle snapping on, either of those should trigger alarms. At this point I see no rules on anything other than having a perfect swing. When you start trying to adjust the rules beyond that, the question arises how are you going to catch them, how are you going to enforce it and what are the limits? I remember several controller users talking about using two thumbs. Is that going to be bannced? I have heard some using books on either side of the controller joystick or rubber bands... Should these be illegal? One could argue those are aids and are outside the standard use of the controller. Well lowering the x-axis on the mouse does not fall under that definition of an "aid" outside the general use of the mouse. And once again, how do you patrol this? How do you know if someone is using an aide or reducing the axis? Finally remember that reducing the DPI of a mouse, registrars as reducing the x-axis, because it does. It reduces both x AND Y. So as you see and as I hope i have explained, this isn't cut n dry. Using two thumbs is certainly not cheating. That's a swing style. It's still just you and the controller and I don't see how you would consider that cheating. I use my right thumb and right index finger for a pullback/push forward method. |
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 31, 2015 16:28:45 GMT -5
I wasn't stating that it was cheating directly. I was stating that there is a whole bunch of different ways people have discussed on how to make their swings easier on consoles. Where do you draw the line? It is always tough cause while you say two thumbs is not 'cheating' i'm sure there are others who would troll out and say, "It isn't using it as intended". Which basically illustrates my point. Cglib you want all PCs gone or just those that use a mouse and not a controller?  Kinda silly if you ask me since the game was released on PC, meant for mouse users. |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 31, 2015 17:19:42 GMT -5
Whoever cheats on this game should be subject to play Rory McIlroy PGA Tour for 90 days...they won't cheat again after being forced to play that gutted game.
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Post by karma4u on Aug 31, 2015 17:30:34 GMT -5
Actually, the game was released on pc, with the specific idea of it being used in conjunction with an xbox controller...Not mouse.....that is fact.....
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 31, 2015 18:11:06 GMT -5
Actually, the game was released on pc, with the specific idea of it being used in conjunction with an xbox controller...Not mouse.....that is fact..... Interesting cause that is contrary to what I heard from Lorin. It was always slated to be released on various platform, but they made the decision early to use the mouse swing as primary instead of using the three-click method. Second any maker that releases a game on a PC, primarily for a controller would be out of their mind. Less than 20% of PC owners even own a controller. Gamers have started the trend towards controllers and Microsoft has helped out by making their xbox controllers first to be usable on PCs. |
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Post by karma4u on Aug 31, 2015 18:27:36 GMT -5
Well, i remember it vividly.Because i was always a mouse user..3-click or true swing...it was emphatically stated by HB that the mouse would not be optimized as they wanted folks to use a game pad because of the eventual release on consoles...PC guys were the guinea pigs......that is why they wanted pc to use the xbox controller.........i changed, reluctantly, to the controller.............and, would never look back....Fact........
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Post by sevekeve on Aug 31, 2015 18:50:23 GMT -5
Brighttail is very sensitive about his mouse. Probably close to fifty posts about mouse dpi. We can't control what the mouse dpi is or how close it is to cheating. I use the xbox 360 wired controller and feel very good about a great round or high tournament finish.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 31, 2015 18:54:13 GMT -5
Brighttail is very sensitive about his mouse. Probably close to fifty posts about mouse dpi. We can't control what the mouse dpi is or how close it is to cheating. I use the xbox 360 wired controller and feel very good about a great round or high tournament finish. It is mainly due to the misinformation that has been put out about it. I have helped a few users that were on the straight shooter list reset themselves because of settings that they had no clue about, which is easy to do with newer mice these days. For the record I have tried an xbox 360 like you have and while I could shoot reasonably it is about what you are used to. Fuzion is a great player and uses a mouse too as with many others. |
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Post by karma4u on Aug 31, 2015 19:21:08 GMT -5
Hey, i agree, one should be able to use the mouse properly optimized on PC.....Just stating what happened in Early Access beta release....HB actually lost a few old time pc users who would not change to.. PP....Those guys are still over there and happy....could give names, but why bother....you may know some already.....a visit to the site, pretty easy to figure who they are....Actually, a couple come back to HB on occasion just to leave a comment... I may use the mouse at PP myself when it is out of Early Access..... Just making the distinction between EA and Early Access.......Hah..  |
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Kinda silly if you ask me since the game was released on PC, meant for mouse users.
