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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 5:23:39 GMT -5
As Neil said mate it’s more about the precision the marker gives vibration users on distance control. If you’re good on the analogue stick these two and master swing makes it incredibly easy to get tight and imho is the main reason why the courses have to be so extreme and gamey. If you take it off I’d imagine the guys that use vibration still get a rough guide on when to swing but it wouldn’t be AS much of a help. But doesn't the marker setting in difficulty just toggle the visible marker on and off, and the underlying mechanics are the same? My point was that I don't think the visible marker will make much difference at all for the top players because they can infer where that marker would be at any time. If the underlying mechanics were different so they weren't reliant on the marker at all then yes, I agree with you There is no way to move the invisible marker when putting on the green with marker off. Other shots yeah as you then have the option to slow down back swing for partial shots. |
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Post by longpole on Jun 14, 2024 5:28:37 GMT -5
Craig / Hendomedes Sorry I'm not familiar with settings used on TAN. Do you have scout cam on or off? Because with scout cam on you could just go to 100% overhead view and adjust the invisible marker (through knowing where it lies on your screen) to the same spot that you would if you could see the marker visually. Then execute the shot exactly the same as you would normally, using the vibration to hit the right power when hitting partials, just as you would normally. A little more fiddly to set up the shot, but exact same shot setup and exact same shot execution. Unless I'm misunderstanding something about the mechanics? yeah can understand where your coming from fargo but it just puts a little doubt in your mind as its not there , on putting though different kettle of fish . It would just make a wee more challenging and eliminate the counting of beads and boxes 📦. And fairer tbh . |
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Post by longpole on Jun 14, 2024 5:42:24 GMT -5
Please dont think I'm knocking anyone with scores or how they play at the end of the day it's a video game . BUT a big majority have been playing this series of golf club for years now and I think all players on the pro tours are too good now , just have a little shake up . They do quick maths move marker feel the buzz and shoot . Having a quick look at some of there streams , it's super Mario golf clash golf . Fast forward even on chipping and putting how's that fun & fun to watch .
It's become speed golf a chore just to get your name up top . With a little more challenge on the pro tours u could tone down on the silly courses that sometimes are thrown up , it doesn't have to be birdie golf all the time , you have the challenge circuit for that .
Perhaps all we need is a tour like TAN so everyone would be happy .
The tours do a 3 click tour which hardly gets plays now , how about a legend true sim tour ( without marker ) . Please 🙏 I'll even help run it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 15:50:50 GMT -5
Please dont think I'm knocking anyone with scores or how they play at the end of the day it's a video game . BUT a big majority have been playing this series of golf club for years now and I think all players on the pro tours are too good now , just have a little shake up . They do quick maths move marker feel the buzz and shoot . Having a quick look at some of there streams , it's super Mario golf clash golf . Fast forward even on chipping and putting how's that fun & fun to watch . It's become speed golf a chore just to get your name up top . With a little more challenge on the pro tours u could tone down on the silly courses that sometimes are thrown up , it doesn't have to be birdie golf all the time , you have the challenge circuit for that . Perhaps all we need is a tour like TAN so everyone would be happy . The tours do a 3 click tour which hardly gets plays now , how about a legend true sim tour ( without marker ) . Please 🙏 I'll even help run it TAN will never be for everyone but if you LOVE the sim aspect and when I say sim you are just not getting unrealistic aids. I have been here for 10 years now since the first game. Been part of Matt's RGT and TST but have always been the more hardcore part of this series. I left TST because just watching people play sim with 3 other ghost balls to get (out of turn) reads just told me most didn't give a crap about sim golf. Yeah TAN is super niche (which I will never get as most here play the real game of golf) but wow if you play and love golf it really feels so much more immersive to me and what we have now with TAN and legend swing difficulty is the best sim setting yet on any HB game or most importantly any video golf game I have played with a controller/mouse. Hopefully there is some consideration for an ultra sim tour because all respect to Frans and co, TST is really not scratching any sim itch for me in any single way, it just seems really casual and this was always my worry when RGT went to TGCTours would it kill the sim aspect we were all so into back then. Just go back to the RGT website and look how much more challenging it was then on the early games it was a really good sim tour. Funny that marker has come up again as it is the reason that USE then TAN came about. On TST there were people that swept the greens for elevation info. When TST went to marker only the pitchforks came out saying it was absolutely impossible to read the greens etc. 2 weeks later not a peep from anyone because you don't need that aid. I knew this as I never swept a green in these games ever and never had a problem. So what does turning marker off do on both grids and no grids. I will tell you what it does, it brings a bit more skill into the game. Jeez most people have been playing these games for so long, surely upping the challenge is a good thing and would freshen it up a bit. Lastly i will bring up an aid that has no part of this tour. Swing meter is banned but if you ban that TGCTours has to prohibit any marker assist surely?. As by banning that swing meter you still have vibration assist unless you are unfortunate to use mouse. It is all part of the same system, to move the marker and get a visual or vibration notification for your downswing. There is no level playing field when some have an assist and others don't. And I don't buy that crap from some here that say if you're on PC just use controller as that just amplifies the use of controller for that aid, sorry but that stinks big time. I argued all this with HB Devs when 2K21 came out, that vibration absolutely has to be lockable like swing meter is, they are both the same thing for me but TGCTours lock one off but the other is there, maybe just unlock the swing meter and be done with it. TBH no marker is a no brainer when you really think hard about it, that's if you want that level playing field. All said and done to me golf is that gentleman's game where we are not looking for any type of advantage. That's TAN for me and that's why TAN would be a great tour here. TAN has more of a level playing field across every platform then anything we have here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 17:04:12 GMT -5
I will also point out about TAN's much more realistic scoring. The TAN PGA Championship at Valhalla. We had joint winners at -23 and 3rd at -21 (same score as the real winner) after 4 rounds. No tricking up the score course whatsoever.
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Post by greenlightning on Jun 14, 2024 19:05:38 GMT -5
I am sure this is true, but these skills would be even more emphasized without the aim marker (or with a more difficult swing setting). To me removing the aim marker is akin to when the Tours took away the exact MPH indicator for wind and just left the graphic. It would be nice if we could remove the green grid outside of 50 yards (e.g. the range of the approach and putting cam) or when using the scout cam. Because in golf "aim 10 yards left of the pin" should require some guesswork or picking a spot on the horizon for your target line rather than zooming into the green and counting 10 boxes on an imaginary grid and sliding an imaginary arrow over it. One of the absolute worst thing about marker only setting for me is that you can manipulate your putt distance which is probably as arcade as it gets. It takes away the skill of distance putting and in theory lets you manipulate that distance which is not golf. Again way too much on the shot set up rather than the execution of the actual golf shot. There is one caveat with marker off, extreme downhill putts you can't see behind the hole with reverse camera but I don't think this problem would even exist with grids on. There are ways around it by changing club and using approach cam but you can't get down as low as I would like. But everything about turning that marker off leads to a such a much better experience for me including it is damn ugly and slam dunk in the middle of the screen. Moving the marker on the greens is cheesy. I suck and I never move it these guys who rarely if ever miss their swing paths or timing should be playing with no aids other than putting grids. If you're really good or want an ultimate challenge then no grids at all. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Jun 15, 2024 3:04:05 GMT -5
Well said Paul. I agree with all of that. And totally agree that if the marker is on I think you should have the swing metre on too. I’ll not labour the point as you Ben and Neil have all made a good case for why these settings would be a nice addition to the tours. I’ll just say in the meantime I would encourage everyone to give TAN a go. Because on top of all those considerations about it being fair, grounded etc. it’s also really fun! And I know this is most people’s main game and they play a lot. Chuck in two more society rounds a week onto your rotation and try it out. Absolutely no one on there is judging scores and we all know there is a small adjustment period in the first instance (or big, maybe it’s been a long time since I first played that way) but no one is sitting thinking ‘haha s/he can’t play this way’ im not pushing it to catch anyone out. Only because it would actually be really cool for everyone to have more people on those leaderboards and have some friendly competition on there. I’m postingon my phone but maybe someone can link to the thread. Just to show it is genuinely a very chilled group. And honestly it isn’t THAT much harder when you adjust. But that little spike in difficulty makes the world of difference in terms of excitement. You’ll miss some greens, some putts. But when you have a few birdies you can shoot up the leaderboard or have a good week and it feels great. Seriously, give it a go regardless of how well you think you’ll do. If I can get Brenelan to try it out and enjoy it I’ll die a happy man!!  |
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Post by Brenelan on Jun 15, 2024 13:00:31 GMT -5
Maybe the next event Craig, I'm feeling a little over-Pinehursted this week. 😄
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jun 15, 2024 13:18:42 GMT -5
Maybe the next event Craig, I'm feeling a little over-Pinehursted this week. 😄 It's a very well run society. Two LB's each event. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Jun 15, 2024 14:30:10 GMT -5
Maybe the next event Craig, I'm feeling a little over-Pinehursted this week. 😄 😆 Sitting down with a beer to watch the real thing tonight. Sick looking at it at this rate haha lovely course though. And tight leaderboard. Hoping Rory performs this weekend! |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Jun 18, 2024 2:47:31 GMT -5
Maybe the next event Craig, I'm feeling a little over-Pinehursted this week. 😄 Hoping Rory performs this weekend! Never mind… |
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jun 18, 2024 7:10:59 GMT -5
Hoping Rory performs this weekend! Never mind… He did perform well. A balky putter down the stretch erased it. He'll be ok. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Jun 18, 2024 7:42:36 GMT -5
He did perform well. A balky putter down the stretch erased it. He'll be ok. To put it in northern Irish terms he doesn’t have the arse for it anymore 😆 in our group chat a few mates and I were just waiting for the blowup. In majors he can’t handle the pressure anymore. Total mental block. The putt on 18 was brutal tbf but the chip to leave it above the hole, the missed putt on 16 and the misclub into the par 3 are just typical Rory under the gun now unfortunately. Says me, a total hacker! |
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Post by Demonondalinks on Jun 18, 2024 7:48:13 GMT -5
He did perform well. A balky putter down the stretch erased it. He'll be ok. To put it in northern Irish terms he doesn’t have the arse for it anymore 😆 in our group chat a few mates and I were just waiting for the blowup. In majors he can’t handle the pressure anymore. Total mental block. The putt on 18 was brutal tbf but the chip to leave it above the hole, the missed putt on 16 and the misclub into the par 3 are just typical Rory under the gun now unfortunately. Says me, a total hacker! The up and down by Bryson was epic on 18. He even said he would get up and down from there 4 outta 100 tries. Getting it done when you absolutely need to does say a lot. Rory couldn't. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Jun 18, 2024 7:51:44 GMT -5
To put it in northern Irish terms he doesn’t have the arse for it anymore 😆 in our group chat a few mates and I were just waiting for the blowup. In majors he can’t handle the pressure anymore. Total mental block. The putt on 18 was brutal tbf but the chip to leave it above the hole, the missed putt on 16 and the misclub into the par 3 are just typical Rory under the gun now unfortunately. Says me, a total hacker! The up and down by Bryson was epic on 18. He even said he would get up and down from there 4 outta 100 tries. Getting it done when you absolutely need to does say a lot. Rory couldn't. 100% and Bryson left the door open back nine too but to make par off that drive and leave in the bunker was quality. Over the week he deserved it. |
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