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Post by weirsy2003 on Nov 11, 2022 13:20:12 GMT -5
Went into this tournament completely cold as far as playing TST conditions in 2K23. I think I experienced the full range of experiences which make this such a fun tour with rounds of +4, -8, +3 and -4. Bit of a wild ride to say the least! As far as my 2 VC is concerned I’ll just say I don’t envy schedulers as I don’t see how anyone can deny that the choice of golf ball can dramatically change the intended setup of the course.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 14:32:55 GMT -5
My 2 VC - if a green is set as Firm/Fast - regardless of the ball you use - the green is still set as Firm/Fast. The choice of ball will of course mean that you have to hit the putt harder or slower - but the green is still set as Firm/Fast.. Not if a ball you use turns that firmness to moderate, not if a ball you use turns that green speed to moderate. You are then not playing a fast green or firm green then. Regardless of what ball you use we should all be playing the same green speed and course firmness. The roll and bounce attributes are arcade you just can't put any realism into it. I know that insanericks argument is default balls speed up greens but the whole point is we should all be playing the same course conditions. Yes rain and surface water will slow a green down mid round but that is an exception irl. Some of these balls slow the greens down massively, obviously the more expensive VC ones. It's all very arcade and I respect people like this but it's just not for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 15:03:47 GMT -5
I will only be playing societies where everyone actually plays the same course conditions as I find that more fun and much more realistic. Well, good luck with that outside of your own very small sample size of societies mate, which is a real shame. Q - As you're not going to play TST, will you just go back to playing 2K21? Fadge I have been involved with USE for 6 years now, started by Larry Malone when TST changing to marker only was a massive big deal for a lot on TST. We have kept it going and it is a bit niche but I like niche as it means people are passionate about something. We have a few Xbox players joining this year thanks to Mr Longpole and I have to say I wish I was on Xbox at times because they have a fantastic sim community over there with streaming, matchplay everything. There are a lot of societies out there now that start with TRUE SIM loosely connected, USE is now called True Sim: USE Master Tour. I won't be going back to 2K21 because I really didn't like splash in that game or the chipping, we are a private society and we barred splash from outside of bunkers and we had people calling 2 stroke penalties on themselves , something you can only do with close-knit societies. It is the same with playing default balls only, no chipping out of bunkers etc. We have 4 to 5 of us testing pins so makes it is easier to play default balls with playable pins each week. The thing is USE is not overly difficult, it is set at Master not Legend and most people say it's a fun way to play the game. Season 6 Series 1 starts Sunday and I will be implementing an additional hancapped leaderboard once we get a few scores in so I can work with averages. I will be posting up details in the TGCTours society thread, we're multi platform and everyone who loves sim golf is welcome. Good luck to TST, it is in good hands and Frans, Skoader and the other admin are doing a fantastic job, love the flights and stats and would love to be part of it but the way the balls change the realism of tournament set ups is just not for me. One last thing I was part of Matt's RGT and a few years of TST as admin also, so I am really glad that the set up here is so highly polished now. TGCTour's best tour and should be at the top because it is still the most challenging way to play the game here  |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Nov 11, 2022 17:03:44 GMT -5
My 2 VC - if a green is set as Firm/Fast - regardless of the ball you use - the green is still set as Firm/Fast. The choice of ball will of course mean that you have to hit the putt harder or slower - but the green is still set as Firm/Fast.. Not if a ball you use turns that firmness to moderate, not if a ball you use turns that green speed to moderate. You are then not playing a fast green or firm green then. Regardless of what ball you use we should all be playing the same green speed and course firmness. The roll and bounce attributes are arcade you just can't put any realism into it. I know that insanericks argument is default balls speed up greens but the whole point is we should all be playing the same course conditions. Yes rain and surface water will slow a green down mid round but that is an exception irl. Some of these balls slow the greens down massively, obviously the more expensive VC ones. It's all very arcade and I respect people like this but it's just not for me. My point was that the green is still set fast/firm. The ball's attributes means it rolls slower on the SAME green - the number on the putter is how much roll the ball will do at 100%. So a friction ball is going to roll less distance - which means you have to hit it harder on the same green. Honestly- not sure why the ball discussion continues on - we have no control over it - so we forage ahead and play the game however we see fit that makes it fun for us.. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 17:20:59 GMT -5
Not if a ball you use turns that firmness to moderate, not if a ball you use turns that green speed to moderate. You are then not playing a fast green or firm green then. Regardless of what ball you use we should all be playing the same green speed and course firmness. The roll and bounce attributes are arcade you just can't put any realism into it. I know that insanericks argument is default balls speed up greens but the whole point is we should all be playing the same course conditions. Yes rain and surface water will slow a green down mid round but that is an exception irl. Some of these balls slow the greens down massively, obviously the more expensive VC ones. It's all very arcade and I respect people like this but it's just not for me. My point was that the green is still set fast/firm. The ball's attributes means it rolls slower on the SAME green - the number on the putter is how much roll the ball will do at 100%. So a friction ball is going to roll less distance - which means you have to hit it harder on the same green. Honestly- not sure why the ball discussion continues on - we have no control over it - so we forage ahead and play the game however we see fit that makes it fun for us.. The whole point is Jeff it's NOT the same green as a golf ball irl does not roll slower on the same green unless it is made out of lead like some of these balls seem to be, also the discussion was not going on. I explained in my post I will not play the game this way and that's my choice. The most important thing is play the game that makes it fun for you, there is no right or wrong way. |
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Post by asyoudo64 on Nov 12, 2022 1:47:29 GMT -5
Played TST this week. I have a card and have ticked 3rd party access. Shot +2 but don't seem to be on the leaderboard. Am I doing something wrong Frans fransslabak |
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Post by booze2407 on Nov 12, 2022 2:03:22 GMT -5
I raced to finish my 2 rounds Wednesday night and definitely completed it 5 minutes before the deadline. My scores did not show up. It doesn’t matter, just wanted to mention it in case there’s an issue with the site pulling late finishing scores.
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Post by asyoudo64 on Nov 12, 2022 2:07:36 GMT -5
Deadline would be my issue then. Didn't start until Friday. My bad. Please confirm this is the problem Frans. Didn't realise we were back to deadlines. I'm sure it was mentioned, I just need to take more notice 🤪.
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Post by fransslabak on Nov 12, 2022 2:15:54 GMT -5
Deadline would be my issue then. Didn't start until Friday. My bad. Please confirm this is the problem Frans. Didn't realise we were back to deadlines. I'm sure it was mentioned, I just need to take more notice 🤪. Confirmed - there’s no cut but you DO need to play your first two rounds before the midweek deadline. |
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Post by asyoudo64 on Nov 12, 2022 3:43:33 GMT -5
Deadline would be my issue then. Didn't start until Friday. My bad. Please confirm this is the problem Frans. Didn't realise we were back to deadlines. I'm sure it was mentioned, I just need to take more notice 🤪. Confirmed - there’s no cut but you DO need to play your first two rounds before the midweek deadline. Thanks Frans 👍 |
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Post by Tombanator on Nov 12, 2022 4:25:40 GMT -5
Alright, week 1 in the books. Was wondering heading into this week exactly where I stack up in all this, but after this small sample size of 1 week, I'm still running around the same ballpark as when we left 2K21 by the looks of it, which I'd be happy about.  Stacked -3 and -6 on the weekend on top of my previous scores to put me at a decent -17 for the week. Just par saving and occasional scores with a few negative score adjusters thrown in but handled it alright. Last round certainly had much more room for better, especially when I knocked in a 36.5 foot putt for eagle on 8, but finished weak by tossing a bad bogey on 17 and then 3 putting to end the week, first from 51 feet and the second putt from 3... sick side slope to be fair on that second one but even when I'm being really safe and aiming a lot on that, and it still breaks more... dang it. Oh well, a start that I'll gladly take. Onto week 2! Cheers and good luck. |
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Post by williamwes626 on Nov 12, 2022 17:22:59 GMT -5
For two rushed rounds on Wednesday I held it together for 70 and 70 but then just finished now with 76-71 for (-1) total placing me in the lower half. That 76 came from 2 straight 50 foot, 1ft downhill putts that I left too short resulting in bogey, double bogey plus a 4-putt on the 1st par 5 in the last round for bogey. I don't remember the last 4-putt I had but overall I putted decently here and great in the qualifying event. I usually play a round of practice to learn the course but I didn't have time and Tiger Woods architecture threw me off on some holes - I'm not great with lots of elevation.
Gonna work on my short game and approaches plus I haven't fitted my wedges yet so that should help for next week.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Nov 14, 2022 13:40:53 GMT -5
《Consumable balls are modifying the conditions》 Time to test this folks! As the title of video says, let's play a game!! So basically, in the default corner, we have people claiming that consumable balls are modifying the conditions. In the red corner, I say the equivalance principal of real physics can be apply in this video game So a quick crash course on equivalent principal before we play: when you are in a moving train, the ONLY proof you have that the train is moving forward is informations. You enter that train and you felt the acceleration moving forward. It did push back in your seat. That's your only proof, cause when that train is moving steady, moving forward at 100mph North or being static and have the landscape move South at 100 mph is IMPOSSIBLE to distinguish. It would look the same and you would arrive at your destination on the same exact time. Another very good and simple example of this is: imagine 2 spaceships in pitch black space. No stars or no light to rely on. It's black everywhere. We have 2 spaceships. One that dosent move and the other one moving at 100000 mph. If one spaceship moves at this high speed near the other one, they would both see the same thing. None of the 2 spaceships could say: I'm the one moving and the other one is static. The only way one of the 2 could know he's the one in action would be because he felt the acceleration pushing him back in his seat. If they were both alseep while take off and woke up in space without having a clue of what's going on, they would never know even after a million year wich one is moving and wich one is not. Same principal apply here in this game. If I'm blocking you the information (aka the acceleration in my the real example), you will never be able to tell if the conditions are changing or my ball is different. So go ahead, prove me wrong. Here's 3 times the same exact hole. Did I play that 3 times with default ball and changed the conditions? Did I play that 3 times with the same conditions and change the ball to modify the conditions? A mix of both? I dunno, you tell me. Should be very easy to spot conditions change if you are right If you can tell the good answers for the 3 holes (wind speed, green speed and the ball used), I'll send anyone who get this right on first try 100 USD. Guess the argument about this is over seeing as they’re now banned…. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Nov 14, 2022 14:13:54 GMT -5
Very happy about my -37 total. I played first, wasn't sure about how I played. I may get my first Top 10 ever! And Frank, I would strongly suggest that you set rounds like there's no default ball. Because I have realised something. Greens on 23 are not faster than 21. If you get 196 greens on very fast with default ball, that's because you choose to modify the conditions. Since the default ball is over 50 pts in rolling speed, you modify the conditions by making the greens faster for you. I then see no valid reasons to make it playable for default ball. Default ball is an extreme ball that accelerates greens speed for the user. Could be usefull if one wants to change slow 110 green into 120 speed. If one wants to still play it on very fast with default ball, accelerating the green speed will be on their fault at 100% These are gold. |
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Post by InsanericK on Nov 14, 2022 17:30:13 GMT -5
Very happy about my -37 total. I played first, wasn't sure about how I played. I may get my first Top 10 ever! And Frank, I would strongly suggest that you set rounds like there's no default ball. Because I have realised something. Greens on 23 are not faster than 21. If you get 196 greens on very fast with default ball, that's because you choose to modify the conditions. Since the default ball is over 50 pts in rolling speed, you modify the conditions by making the greens faster for you. I then see no valid reasons to make it playable for default ball. Default ball is an extreme ball that accelerates greens speed for the user. Could be usefull if one wants to change slow 110 green into 120 speed. If one wants to still play it on very fast with default ball, accelerating the green speed will be on their fault at 100% These are gold. Yes! But now, no more excuse for you guys. Let's play in full retard mode like 2K wants. Next tourny should be 4 rounds of very firm and very fast greens to celebrate that! |
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