jjbuzzotta
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 254
TGCT Name: Justin Buzzotta
|
Post by jjbuzzotta on Oct 27, 2022 8:13:47 GMT -5
I'm not really in disagreement that the higher tours should be on Legend, just the characterization of the bulk of the players here. I’d just have Plat on Legend. Heck the top Plat players are already destroying courses with Legend difficulty. Elite, Kinetic and CC on Master Beer on Pro You always have to think of Doyley and the amount of work with different difficulties. All at master is ideal for the adm but I think keeping Plat on Legends is feasible. I think CCA- Elite are basically the same skill level of players , then add in the missed putts, bad rounds and it slots in you proper tier of those 3 tiers. But players in Plat, especially the ones who constantly make cuts are the freaks of the game. The rest of CC is should also be Master as you would be properly slotted into a tier. I’m not sure how the XBoxers are currently playing in master difficulty, hopefully better than the old game on master. The only reason I've been advocating so hard for Legend is because I'm a middling CCer who just enjoys playing the harder difficulties and hoping to have scores for the CC events closer to IRL scoring - which in my opinion they would be. Also, I've played a lot of legend on the career mode side and with easier course conditions, Legend really isn't that bad. If you've only done the Plat/Elite events to try out Legend, then you've probably had a harder experience than it would end up being if CC events better courses. I would adovate for Master settings but the Legend Swing difficulty for the CC tours with easier course conditions. My hope would be the cut line for CC would trend around even par. Every tournament will still have one or two players who go off obviously but I think it would create a cool dynamic. Thinking about the course designers and how much effort they put in to little details in courses only for 99% of players to just play target shooting and ignore the characteristics that make the courses cool. If CC events had cut lines around E par then it becomes a challenge of you vs the course every week. If you can beat the course you can place well, if you lose to the course then you're probably cut. A lot of us aren't going to compete for tournament wins most weeks, a lot of us may not even see many promotions, but if every week you really feel the impact of the course you're playing then it will provide a weekly engagement that excites users to keep pushing every week to try and get through. I don't see a need for Pro at any level. If people don't like Legend swing could we not just have the Beer league on Master? |
|
|
|
Post by CoinHen77 on Oct 27, 2022 8:35:33 GMT -5
I'm not really in disagreement that the higher tours should be on Legend, just the characterization of the bulk of the players here. I’d just have Plat on Legend. Heck the top Plat players are already destroying courses with Legend difficulty. Elite, Kinetic and CC on Master Beer on Pro You always have to think of Doyley and the amount of work with different difficulties. All at master is ideal for the adm but I think keeping Plat on Legends is feasible. I think CCA- Elite are basically the same skill level of players , then add in the missed putts, bad rounds and it slots in you proper tier of those 3 tiers. But players in Plat, especially the ones who constantly make cuts are the freaks of the game. The rest of CC is should also be Master as you would be properly slotted into a tier. I’m not sure how the XBoxers are currently playing in master difficulty, hopefully better than the old game on master. I wouldn’t say -28 for [mention]peskypeanut [/mention] is destroying a course. That’s a -7 average which we haven’t seen on Platinum in years. I guess I just don’t understand why we’d only have 1 tour on the highest difficulty. There are 3 “pro” tours and 10 “challenge” tours. If you’re going to introduce different difficulties then why wouldn’t all the pro tours be the same and all the challenge tours be the same? Like [mention]lukesinclair [/mention]said, there needs to be some motivation and challenge injected back into the tours. There used to be a reward for getting better and finally making it to the Pro tours. A sense of accomplishment. In my opinion If you have all of CC, Kinetic and Elite on the same difficulty you lose that. To someone else’s point, If my memory serves, back in 2019 CC-A was at the same difficulty as the Pro tours so there was a bridge to get you ready for Pro. |
|
jjbuzzotta
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 254
TGCT Name: Justin Buzzotta
|
Post by jjbuzzotta on Oct 27, 2022 8:52:11 GMT -5
I’d just have Plat on Legend. Heck the top Plat players are already destroying courses with Legend difficulty. Elite, Kinetic and CC on Master Beer on Pro You always have to think of Doyley and the amount of work with different difficulties. All at master is ideal for the adm but I think keeping Plat on Legends is feasible. I think CCA- Elite are basically the same skill level of players , then add in the missed putts, bad rounds and it slots in you proper tier of those 3 tiers. But players in Plat, especially the ones who constantly make cuts are the freaks of the game. The rest of CC is should also be Master as you would be properly slotted into a tier. I’m not sure how the XBoxers are currently playing in master difficulty, hopefully better than the old game on master. I wouldn’t say -28 for [mention]peskypeanut [/mention] is destroying a course. That’s a -7 average which we haven’t seen on Platinum in years. I guess I just don’t understand why we’d only have 1 tour on the highest difficulty. There are 3 “pro” tours and 10 “challenge” tours. If you’re going to introduce different difficulties then why wouldn’t all the pro tours be the same and all the challenge tours be the same? Like [mention]lukesinclair [/mention]said, there needs to be some motivation and challenge injected back into the tours. There used to be a reward for getting better and finally making it to the Pro tours. A sense of accomplishment. In my opinion If you have all of CC, Kinetic and Elite on the same difficulty you lose that. To someone else’s point, If my memory serves, back in 2019 CC-A was at the same difficulty as the Pro tours so there was a bridge to get you ready for Pro. As someone who wants Legend for all flights, I can at least agree CC-A and better on Legend is a fair compromise. My quick math says that CCA and up would represent the top 20% of all players on the CC and Pro Tours. If you're in the top 20% you should be more than fine on the Legend Swing. I'd even argue the top three levels of CC.... but everyone's probably sick of me by this point. |
|
|
|
Post by Brenelan on Oct 27, 2022 8:55:28 GMT -5
Again, I'd say we have to take into account not just whether people in the CC levels could handle Legend, but whether they would enjoy it.
The longterm health of TGC matters here as well. It still needs to be fun.
|
|
|
|
Post by bubbsboy100. on Oct 27, 2022 9:34:09 GMT -5
Not played Legend but enjoying the challenge of masters is enough for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kie on Oct 27, 2022 10:19:38 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say -28 for [mention]peskypeanut [/mention] is destroying a course. That’s a -7 average which we haven’t seen on Platinum in years. I guess I just don’t understand why we’d only have 1 tour on the highest difficulty. There are 3 “pro” tours and 10 “challenge” tours. If you’re going to introduce different difficulties then why wouldn’t all the pro tours be the same and all the challenge tours be the same? Like [mention]lukesinclair [/mention]said, there needs to be some motivation and challenge injected back into the tours. There used to be a reward for getting better and finally making it to the Pro tours. A sense of accomplishment. In my opinion If you have all of CC, Kinetic and Elite on the same difficulty you lose that. To someone else’s point, If my memory serves, back in 2019 CC-A was at the same difficulty as the Pro tours so there was a bridge to get you ready for Pro. As someone who wants Legend for all flights, I can at least agree CC-A and better on Legend is a fair compromise. My quick math says that CCA and up would represent the top 20% of all players on the CC and Pro Tours. If you're in the top 20% you should be more than fine on the Legend Swing. I'd even argue the top three levels of CC.... but everyone's probably sick of me by this point. Have you played legend difficulty on Xbox Justin? |
|
jjbuzzotta
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 254
TGCT Name: Justin Buzzotta
|
Post by jjbuzzotta on Oct 27, 2022 10:30:14 GMT -5
As someone who wants Legend for all flights, I can at least agree CC-A and better on Legend is a fair compromise. My quick math says that CCA and up would represent the top 20% of all players on the CC and Pro Tours. If you're in the top 20% you should be more than fine on the Legend Swing. I'd even argue the top three levels of CC.... but everyone's probably sick of me by this point. Have you played legend difficulty on Xbox Justin? I understand the Xbox is worse. I've read a lot of posts that seem to think that the disparity is at least lessened on 23 than it was on 21. But again my point is this, on Master, playing on PS4, I'm going to get perfects or near perfects on a lot of my shots compared to someone of similar skill playing on Xbox. When playing on Legend I make stupid decisions that end up costing me big that otherwise won't happen on Master. I think because of this, Legend levels the playing field. If Xbox is completely unplayable or absolutely not fun on Legend, then fine I accept defeat. But it's gonna be hard to push me off the platform of at least CCA and better being on Legend. |
|
|
|
Post by Kie on Oct 27, 2022 10:43:15 GMT -5
Have you played legend difficulty on Xbox Justin? I understand the Xbox is worse. I've read a lot of posts that seem to think that the disparity is at least lessened on 23 than it was on 21. But again my point is this, on Master, playing on PS4, I'm going to get perfects or near perfects on a lot of my shots compared to someone of similar skill playing on Xbox. When playing on Legend I make stupid decisions that end up costing me big that otherwise won't happen on Master. I think because of this, Legend levels the playing field. If Xbox is completely unplayable or absolutely not fun on Legend, then fine I accept defeat. But it's gonna be hard to push me off the platform of at least CCA and better being on Legend. I agree with you in that I'd love to play legend for the increased difficulty challenge that you describe. But only if it's fair and playable and not limited by Xbox's inferior polling point problem. I think Master is going to be fine on Xbox this game but I'm not convinced that Legend will be. It will be interesting to compare the best scores on Plat this week by PS, PC and Xbox players - I suppose that will give us some insight. |
|
jjbuzzotta
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 254
TGCT Name: Justin Buzzotta
|
Post by jjbuzzotta on Oct 27, 2022 10:54:45 GMT -5
I understand the Xbox is worse. I've read a lot of posts that seem to think that the disparity is at least lessened on 23 than it was on 21. But again my point is this, on Master, playing on PS4, I'm going to get perfects or near perfects on a lot of my shots compared to someone of similar skill playing on Xbox. When playing on Legend I make stupid decisions that end up costing me big that otherwise won't happen on Master. I think because of this, Legend levels the playing field. If Xbox is completely unplayable or absolutely not fun on Legend, then fine I accept defeat. But it's gonna be hard to push me off the platform of at least CCA and better being on Legend. I agree with you in that I'd love to play legend for the increased difficulty challenge that you describe. But only if it's fair and playable and not limited by Xbox's inferior polling point problem. I think Master is going to be fine on Xbox this game but I'm not convinced that Legend will be. It will be interesting to compare the best scores on Plat this week by PS, PC and Xbox players - I suppose that will give us some insight. Curious what's your opinion on Legend with Xbox? On the PS4, I'd say this, Master and Legend are pretty close, but the punishment is probably 20 to 30% worse on Legend. So a mishit left on a Legend swing is probably a good 15 yards or 20 yards further left than it would be after a mishit on a Master swing. I probably mishit a shot about 20% to 30% more often than Master too. Does that track with the Xbox difference between the two? I certainly wouldn't advocate for a setting difficulty that puts Xbox players at a stronger disadvantage than another setting. In my head I think Legend reduces the disadvantage because it makes it harder for everyone but if I'm wrong then I accept that. |
|
|
|
Post by gatorman on Oct 27, 2022 11:08:32 GMT -5
I think someone mentioned the keyword, which is fun. I just played one round on the challenge level, which I think was set to Pro. I shot +6. I don't concern myself with the difficulty but with parity in competition. To me, that parity has never really been fleshed out, certainly not in the lower tier CC levels. Doesn't look like this new version is going to help with that.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kie on Oct 27, 2022 11:15:14 GMT -5
I agree with you in that I'd love to play legend for the increased difficulty challenge that you describe. But only if it's fair and playable and not limited by Xbox's inferior polling point problem. I think Master is going to be fine on Xbox this game but I'm not convinced that Legend will be. It will be interesting to compare the best scores on Plat this week by PS, PC and Xbox players - I suppose that will give us some insight. Curious what's your opinion on Legend with Xbox? On the PS4, I'd say this, Master and Legend are pretty close, but the punishment is probably 20 to 30% worse on Legend. So a mishit left on a Legend swing is probably a good 15 yards or 20 yards further left than it would be after a mishit on a Master swing. I probably mishit a shot about 20% to 30% more often than Master too. Does that track with the Xbox difference between the two? I certainly wouldn't advocate for a setting difficulty that puts Xbox players at a stronger disadvantage than another setting. In my head I think Legend reduces the disadvantage because it makes it harder for everyone but if I'm wrong then I accept that. I haven't played a lot on legend but I find it too difficult for me. That could just because I'm not a very good player though. Someone like Craig @craigh1989 is probably better placed to comment as he is a decent Xbox player and he might be able to say whether Legend plays differently to Master in terms of the available polling points etc. I think the increased punishment for a grey fast/slow is fine as long as you can actually hit the grey fasts and slows in the first place. You can certainly hit perfects in Legend on Xbox and limited grey fast/slow points but other than that you are in the black fast or slow zones and that is where the fun stops!
|
|
crio
Caddy
Posts: 61
TGCT Name: Rio Sewell
Tour: Platinum
|
Post by crio on Oct 27, 2022 11:21:53 GMT -5
2nd week of Legend was fantastic for me, greens weren't crazy fast so I didn't need any of the expensive balls to play well. Went -8,-3,-7,-4. Currently sitting in 3rd on PC leaderboard.
As a previous Plat player, I would love for Plat to be on Legend. Master still holds a challenge for me and I'm not shooting outrageous scores on Master, so it wouldn't be rough having everyone on Master.
I also played True Sim this week and I found my scores to be pretty similar from Legend to True Sim (Master), so if that ends up being the place to play harder events then that could be fun too.
Overall very pleased with anything in the top 2 levels of difficulty. Bring on the new season! Can't wait to qualify!
|
|
|
|
Post by Blade on Oct 27, 2022 11:55:30 GMT -5
One thing the patch did not fix is the game crashing. Nothing else on my computer crashes, but about every other to every third round it crashes. It typically remembers the shot I just finished (sometimes it is one shot back) when I restart the program (computer is running fine, just the program is frozen). Interestingly, on the Task Manager it is not showing as frozen but I do see the utility crash handler is running. I have let it sit for a while and it never resumed or shut down.
|
|
|
|
Post by pistolpete on Oct 27, 2022 13:30:51 GMT -5
I think Master is the only way Xbox will compete. Legend is fun and will yield super realistic scoring I think but it won’t come from a lot of Xbox players. The polling is just too bad and the mistakes are amplified on Xbox which takes the fun out of it. I’d just run master and makes the courses more difficult as you rise through the ranks.
|
|
crio
Caddy
Posts: 61
TGCT Name: Rio Sewell
Tour: Platinum
|
Post by crio on Oct 27, 2022 17:40:56 GMT -5
2nd week of Legend was fantastic for me, greens weren't crazy fast so I didn't need any of the expensive balls to play well. Went -8,-3,-7,-4. Currently sitting in 3rd on PC leaderboard. As a previous Plat player, I would love for Plat to be on Legend. Master still holds a challenge for me and I'm not shooting outrageous scores on Master, so it wouldn't be rough having everyone on Master. I also played True Sim this week and I found my scores to be pretty similar from Legend to True Sim (Master), so if that ends up being the place to play harder events then that could be fun too. Overall very pleased with anything in the top 2 levels of difficulty. Bring on the new season! Can't wait to qualify! Just played Elite (Master) Test. Went -7,-15,-15,-10 for -47. Course conditions seemed pretty easy, I'm sure we could use the similar sort of plat courses with tricky greens and tricky conditions to keep scoring reasonable if we end up playing Master across the board. |
|
![](https://i.postimg.cc/Z5YppnDv/BourB1.png")