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Post by Brenelan on Sept 4, 2022 11:14:42 GMT -5
Good on you guys that play this way..i have tried it now and then for a few rds..my problem like many i am sure is putting..i am NOT a good putter with grids so you can imagine what its like without..anyway hope you guys get what you want in the new game. If you're referring to distance control with putting. I don't see how vibration can actually help anyone get better. It becomes the artificial clutch. Anyone can get good at putting distances without a vibration aid, we never had it in any other TGC game so why do we need it now. Surely it is more fun and rewarding hitting a good putt and lagging it close from 50 foot yourself. First thing I did on 2K21 is hit the putting green to learn my putting feel for distance especially as the backstroke was so quick and twitchy before it was patched. Xbox tempo can't be helped but surely we should all be playing the same aids on a given tour. Watch my streams I am hardly great at the game but I think my long range putting and partial pitching is pretty tight. Is it too hard to play partial pitch and putts? Of course not, it just takes a little bit of practice. Very easy to learn muscle memory just as you do for distances in real life. That is why putting represents real golf more than the other mechanics of the game. Hit inside a certain distance in golf and then it becomes all feel for distance and technique. Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 11:22:00 GMT -5
If you're referring to distance control with putting. I don't see how vibration can actually help anyone get better. It becomes the artificial clutch. Anyone can get good at putting distances without a vibration aid, we never had it in any other TGC game so why do we need it now. Surely it is more fun and rewarding hitting a good putt and lagging it close from 50 foot yourself. First thing I did on 2K21 is hit the putting green to learn my putting feel for distance especially as the backstroke was so quick and twitchy before it was patched. Xbox tempo can't be helped but surely we should all be playing the same aids on a given tour. Watch my streams I am hardly great at the game but I think my long range putting and partial pitching is pretty tight. Is it too hard to play partial pitch and putts? Of course not, it just takes a little bit of practice. Very easy to learn muscle memory just as you do for distances in real life. That is why putting represents real golf more than the other mechanics of the game. Hit inside a certain distance in golf and then it becomes all feel for distance and technique. Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. But if you're an extremely good putter why do you need vibration to help with distance. I don't get it, isn't that part of the skill of putting in real life and in this game. You can read the line with grids but not hit the distance yourself without a vibration aid. I must be missing the point but isn't it all set up rather than execution. And I would point out as tempo is not involved isn't putting pretty level through different platforms. I will also point out yet again that no other TGC game had vibration distance assist and this is not available to mouse users so extremely unfair to a select few. Another big turn off when some have assists that others don't. |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 4, 2022 11:25:11 GMT -5
Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. But if you're an extremely good putter who do you need vibration to help with distance. I don't get it, isn't that part of the skill of putting in real life and in this game. You can read the line with grids off but not hit the distance yourself without a vibration aid. I must be missing the point but isn't it all set up rather than execution. And I would point out as tempo is not involved isn't putting pretty level through different platforms. I will also point out yet again that no other game had vibration distance assist and this is not available to mouse users so extremely unfair. Another big turn off when some have assists that others don't. You're not actually swinging a golf club here, so how realistic can this be? Everything else is just figuring out where your individual line is. Ultimately, it just gets a bit exhausting when pretty much every post of yours is "this is how everyone should be playing the game". Hopefully, there will be some good societies for you (or me) to play if we don't like the TGC setup. |
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Post by sanchez on Sept 4, 2022 11:31:29 GMT -5
If you're referring to distance control with putting. I don't see how vibration can actually help anyone get better. It becomes the artificial clutch. Anyone can get good at putting distances without a vibration aid, we never had it in any other TGC game so why do we need it now. Surely it is more fun and rewarding hitting a good putt and lagging it close from 50 foot yourself. First thing I did on 2K21 is hit the putting green to learn my putting feel for distance especially as the backstroke was so quick and twitchy before it was patched. Xbox tempo can't be helped but surely we should all be playing the same aids on a given tour. Watch my streams I am hardly great at the game but I think my long range putting and partial pitching is pretty tight. Is it too hard to play partial pitch and putts? Of course not, it just takes a little bit of practice. Very easy to learn muscle memory just as you do for distances in real life. That is why putting represents real golf more than the other mechanics of the game. Hit inside a certain distance in golf and then it becomes all feel for distance and technique. Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. perhaps you are 'an extremely good putter' because you use vibration..i do not use it & i am not very good but i would rather be not very good than use an aid that is akin to a kids aid in bowling. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 11:31:58 GMT -5
But if you're an extremely good putter who do you need vibration to help with distance. I don't get it, isn't that part of the skill of putting in real life and in this game. You can read the line with grids off but not hit the distance yourself without a vibration aid. I must be missing the point but isn't it all set up rather than execution. And I would point out as tempo is not involved isn't putting pretty level through different platforms. I will also point out yet again that no other game had vibration distance assist and this is not available to mouse users so extremely unfair. Another big turn off when some have assists that others don't. You're not actually swinging a golf club here, so how realistic can this be? Everything else is just figuring out where your individual line is. Ultimately, it just gets a bit exhausting when pretty much every post of yours is "this is how everyone should be playing the game". Hopefully, there will be some good societies for you (or me) to play if we don't like the TGC setup. Every post of mine has been related to TST not how everyone should play the game. Anyway I think a few mouse users would disagree with you as they don't have the same aids you use. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 11:39:27 GMT -5
Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. perhaps you are 'an extremely good putter' because you use vibration..i do not use it & i am not very good but i would rather be not very good than use an aid that is akin to a kids aid in bowling. And so what if you're not a good putter and I mean that in a positive way, grids or no grids. There is no right or wrong way to play the game just different ways. Part of the skill of putting,no probably most of the skill of putting is pace. Exactly what you say is true about vibration assist. I am absolutely sure it would be turned off for ALL tours here if possible. It is an aid and an aid that is not available to all. It is down on HB and TGCTOURS cannot police it unfortunately. |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 4, 2022 11:44:44 GMT -5
You're not actually swinging a golf club here, so how realistic can this be? Everything else is just figuring out where your individual line is. Ultimately, it just gets a bit exhausting when pretty much every post of yours is "this is how everyone should be playing the game". Hopefully, there will be some good societies for you (or me) to play if we don't like the TGC setup. Every post of mine has been related to TST not how everyone should play the game. Anyway I think a few mouse users would disagree with you as they don't have the same aids you use. I'll agree to disagree with you on the first sentence (you just asked someone "why do you need to practice putt?"), and I'll defer to the mouse users who would like to contribute. Apologies if I'm misinterpreting you. |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 4, 2022 11:46:19 GMT -5
Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. perhaps you are 'an extremely good putter' because you use vibration..i do not use it & i am not very good but i would rather be not very good than use an aid that is akin to a kids aid in bowling. This is silly. I use the available tools in the game as I would with any other game. And most of the "non-vibration" crew seems to think I'd be better in the long run not using it - so why does it matter? It's obviously not giving me a competitive advantage...right? |
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Post by sanchez on Sept 4, 2022 11:46:20 GMT -5
If you're referring to distance control with putting. I don't see how vibration can actually help anyone get better. It becomes the artificial clutch. Anyone can get good at putting distances without a vibration aid, we never had it in any other TGC game so why do we need it now. Surely it is more fun and rewarding hitting a good putt and lagging it close from 50 foot yourself. First thing I did on 2K21 is hit the putting green to learn my putting feel for distance especially as the backstroke was so quick and twitchy before it was patched. Xbox tempo can't be helped but surely we should all be playing the same aids on a given tour. Watch my streams I am hardly great at the game but I think my long range putting and partial pitching is pretty tight. Is it too hard to play partial pitch and putts? Of course not, it just takes a little bit of practice. Very easy to learn muscle memory just as you do for distances in real life. That is why putting represents real golf more than the other mechanics of the game. Hit inside a certain distance in golf and then it becomes all feel for distance and technique. Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. so not being good at the basics of the game ie FIR/GIR due to wonky tempo is OK if you can putt using an aid?? Hammers talks about the game the way he plays it..i don't play it that way but his points are valid. |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 4, 2022 11:50:50 GMT -5
Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. so not being good at the basics of the game ie FIR/GIR due to wonky tempo is OK if you can putt using an aid?? Hammers talks about the game the way he plays it..i don't play it that way but his points are valid. I'm simply telling you two things that are true. The game allows for vibration, so I use it - and tempo is also wonky on the XBox side. Everything else is your interpretation (again) of how other people should play the game. |
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Post by sanchez on Sept 4, 2022 11:54:20 GMT -5
perhaps you are 'an extremely good putter' because you use vibration..i do not use it & i am not very good but i would rather be not very good than use an aid that is akin to a kids aid in bowling. This is silly. I use the available tools in the game as I would with any other game. And most of the "non-vibration" crew seems to think I'd be better in the long run not using it - so why does it matter? It's obviously not giving me a competitive advantage...right? Have you ever putted without it??? & if you have do you think you are extremely good? |
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Post by sanchez on Sept 4, 2022 11:56:19 GMT -5
i play on xbox but not your way.
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 4, 2022 11:57:01 GMT -5
This is silly. I use the available tools in the game as I would with any other game. And most of the "non-vibration" crew seems to think I'd be better in the long run not using it - so why does it matter? It's obviously not giving me a competitive advantage...right? Have you ever putted without it??? & if you have do you think you are extremely good? I do, and yes, using vibration. Again, it's a tool the game allows. I think we understand each other's point, and certain this is tedious for everyone else, so I'll bow out. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 11:57:37 GMT -5
so not being good at the basics of the game ie FIR/GIR due to wonky tempo is OK if you can putt using an aid?? Hammers talks about the game the way he plays it..i don't play it that way but his points are valid. I'm simply telling you two things that are true. The game allows for vibration, so I use it - and tempo is also wonky on the XBox side. Everything else is your interpretation (again) of how other people should play the game. For controller users only. |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 4, 2022 11:59:28 GMT -5
I'm simply telling you two things that are true. The game allows for vibration, so I use it - and tempo is also wonky on the XBox side. Everything else is your interpretation (again) of how other people should play the game. For controller users only. Edited: I just said I'd bow out, so I'll stick to that. |
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