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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 12:12:57 GMT -5
For controller users only. Edited: I just said I'd bow out, so I'll stick to that. Play the game how you like, there are no rules to say you shouldn't. But dropping difficulty to pro to help Xbox players compete when it looks like numbers are using vibration assist and others aren't or can't is papering over one crack and ignoring another (not that TGCTours or societies can do anything about it). We never had this aid pre 2K21, it's just frustrating they brought it in with the putting meter. |
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Post by Mr Longpole on Sept 4, 2022 12:52:11 GMT -5
yeah i should give it more time & play a whole season with no expectations see where i end up..i would not play with ghosts to learn..i do not have the patience for that..just play and see where i go.i might beat our friends record of a year. Hey sanchez , Would be good if you came in and have a blast in Simulation sanctuary I'm currently helping my best mate noworries in the society, been playing it a few weeks now and has managed a couple of under par rds . I'll sought out a few putting clips and send them to yer , make sure putting and approach cam is on , just a little tip 4 you boys is sometimes when camera is miles away if you got a uphill putt is to change to chipp go behind flag and then go back to putter then go back to behind with putter and it will be closer , sounds long and winded but only takes a few seconds . |
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Post by sanchez on Sept 4, 2022 13:17:18 GMT -5
Thanks.. I am prob bad at putting because i take 1 look & hit..its just how i play. I cannot be bothered to look for ages at any shot..prob why i never win..mostly i just pick my club move for the wind loft up or down & hit. Only time i think about shots is in BOB with a team mate or alt shot.
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 4, 2022 13:26:32 GMT -5
Not too sure what the issue is with having vibration on. It saves having to take practice swings to hit your intended power. It’s not a crutch, it’s a quality of life benefit. It’s not an aid. Taking a practice swing is equally an aid, just takes a little longer to figure out the length of back swing 😂 It's 100% an aid. It tells you when to swing forward, it's helping you. With marker on, you can judge the power you feel you need to make the hole and the vibration tells you when you've reached that to swing forward. Practice swing is not an aid. Without vibration, you are solely in charge of how long your backswing is and when you push forward is down to you. Edit: sorry just to make it clear this is without feedback on. Practice swing with that on, yes I can see it's similar but without the vibration you still need to remember from your practice when to swing forwards. With vibration there's no need to remember. If it’s an aid so is practice swing |
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 4, 2022 13:27:25 GMT -5
Are we just talking about True Sim? I have no problem with that, make it as realistic as y'all like. Unequivocally though, I can say that I'm an extremely good putter, and I use vibration. To say that it can't "help anyone get better" is just plain wrong. Frankly, on the XBox side, my improved putting is the only thing that's taken my game to a higher level, considering I'm not great on the FIR/GIR side due to wonky tempo. But if you're an extremely good putter why do you need vibration to help with distance. I don't get it, isn't that part of the skill of putting in real life and in this game. You can read the line with grids but not hit the distance yourself without a vibration aid. I must be missing the point but isn't it all set up rather than execution. And I would point out as tempo is not involved isn't putting pretty level through different platforms. I will also point out yet again that no other TGC game had vibration distance assist and this is not available to mouse users so extremely unfair to a select few. Another big turn off when some have assists that others don't. I am an extremely good putter. I use it. I would be just as good without it |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 13:28:10 GMT -5
But if you're an extremely good putter why do you need vibration to help with distance. I don't get it, isn't that part of the skill of putting in real life and in this game. You can read the line with grids but not hit the distance yourself without a vibration aid. I must be missing the point but isn't it all set up rather than execution. And I would point out as tempo is not involved isn't putting pretty level through different platforms. I will also point out yet again that no other TGC game had vibration distance assist and this is not available to mouse users so extremely unfair to a select few. Another big turn off when some have assists that others don't. I am an extremely good putter. I use it. I would be just as good without it So what's your point? You use an aid that you don't need but use it anyway?, tbh I am losing the will to go back to to TST knowing that it is so fragmented with the aids set up. I'll bow out of this conversation. |
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 4, 2022 13:37:22 GMT -5
Vibration saves you having to practice swing to find the correct intended power. Not having vibration on is not a skill. It just takes a bit longer to play your rounds as you need to practice your long putts.
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 4, 2022 13:39:13 GMT -5
Also TST should have tempo feedback off if you want a simulation. You don’t get feed back in real life. Your points are nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 13:47:25 GMT -5
Vibration saves you having to practice swing to find the correct intended power. Not having vibration on is not a skill. It just takes a bit longer to play your rounds as you need to practice your long putts. Having no vibration on and not using practice shots is a skill a real skill. I stream everyone of my society rounds and use no practice swings/putts for distance feedback, no I am not the greatest but I love the challenge and only ever used splash in bunkers in 2K21. My streams prove the game isn't overly hard without aids and no splash outside of bunkers, and no I don't think everyone should play this way but it does look like the new game will be played with a partial shot short game. |
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Post by peskypeanut on Sept 4, 2022 14:46:13 GMT -5
Vibration saves you having to practice swing to find the correct intended power. Not having vibration on is not a skill. It just takes a bit longer to play your rounds as you need to practice your long putts. Having no vibration on and not using practice shots is a skill a real skill. I stream everyone of my society rounds and use no practice swings/putts for distance feedback, no I am not the greatest but I love the challenge and only ever used splash in bunkers in 2K21. My streams prove the game isn't overly hard without aids and no splash outside of bunkers, and no I don't think everyone should play this way but it does look like the new game will be played with a partial shot short game. I’m glad they are getting rid of splash shots. Partial pitches have a much higher chance of going in so that’s what I use, even in bunkers. I commend your quest for realism. |
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Post by ewanh1 on Sept 4, 2022 14:49:57 GMT -5
My rounds didn’t appear on your leaderboard , it was in game but not on here. Anybody any idea as to why?
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Post by martbloke on Sept 4, 2022 16:00:14 GMT -5
Vibration saves you having to practice swing to find the correct intended power. Not having vibration on is not a skill. It just takes a bit longer to play your rounds as you need to practice your long putts. When you have feedback on, yes I agree that practice shots are an aid of sorts. Difference is, vibration is MORE of an aid than practice swings as you have it tell you in your actual swing when to push forward. The practice swing does not on your actual shot and so you could overshoot or undershoot your intended power. Also TST should have tempo feedback off if you want a simulation. You don’t get feed back in real life. Your points are nonsense. Absolutely TST should have feedback off. My previous comment on vibration being an aid and practice shots not was because I was (wrongly) assuming feedback was off. Feedback off and a practice swing is no help at all. Vibration on the other hand is. |
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 4, 2022 19:12:45 GMT -5
I don't use the vibration, I tried it when I first got the current game and while it did help with putting pace, it just annoyed me with everything else so I turned it off. Pace isn't something I generally struggle with on putts anyway, with no grids it's the line I can't always see. Yes I play with ghosts but in turn, having balls flying around by themselves at the same time doesn't help any. No different to watching playing partners putts in real life to get a free read.
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Post by ewanh1 on Sept 5, 2022 23:27:39 GMT -5
I’d like to be able to putt without vibration but struggle. Finding the line is not my issue , I am clumsy & heavy handed so even using the vibration is only half the battle as you still have to hit that point or it either falls short or shoots past even with just a hair too little/much. Also your weight determines the line so hard or soft still deviates.
I am an average putter with vibration & an awful putter without.
We all have our struggles in one area or another & do what we can , within the rules allowed , to correct that. Doesn’t always mean it’s an easy option or guaranteed success.
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Post by terryhenry44 on Sept 13, 2022 3:12:42 GMT -5
Please DO NOT revert to master for the new season. Very clear from the off you can see it’s just not fun for 90% of the players. Important to note that for the top 10% it literally makes no difference anyway, but for the rest of us it’s just no fun. I feel you will lose a-lot of players going from pro to master. Just my opinion. Please do. The rest of us? I’m in that 90%. Why do you think you have to speak for all 90%? Master to pro is not like it was prior. But with a new game players will be there for the first season with new game for the most part IMO. If masters were to be a struggle then I’d agree. But in reality we have to wait for at least 3 months of the new season to see what will transpire. Even XBox players have said it is not as bad anymore. And they may even tweak masters even more so let’s wait and see. They will have some test tourneys anyway before fully deciding. So you don’t want to have fun playing this game? I’m not speaking for you at all, clearly, I’m speaking for those who still want to enjoy playing on TGC Tours. |
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