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Post by dansamp on Jun 8, 2021 7:04:46 GMT -5
I think it's a little bit of column A, and a little bit of column B. The controller is definitely part of the issue with its 124hz polling rate. However, I used a device that allowed me to use a PS4 DS4 controller on the XB, and was having the same fundamental issues (limited polling points), so I think there's something going on at the console level as well in terms of how it processes controller outcomes. Are all 3rd party Xbox controllers 124hz ? Not sure, but if a PS4 controller didn't solve the problem I doubt a 3rd party XB controller will. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 7:08:05 GMT -5
Are all 3rd party Xbox controllers 124hz ? Not sure, but if a PS4 controller didn't solve the problem I doubt a 3rd party XB controller will. I think Microsoft would need to update the the firmware to overclock the polling rates to say 250hz.Not sure why it is so low, competitive gamers would notice the lag from that polling rate.I tried my DS4 through Bluetooth, I still much prefer the Series X controller, not just the feel my tempo and swing plane were bitter with the Xbox controller. |
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Post by cseanny on Jun 8, 2021 7:31:36 GMT -5
Someones been drinking too much cool aid at the HB Forums man. The guy who first hounded on the above idea was FirstDown. You know, the guy who had been temporary banned here many times, until his last rant where he was permanently banned, for telling TGCTours they could F*cK off and screw them. Then for about a week straight over at HB forums he's belittling TGCTs and calling them TGCTerds, etc, in virtually every post.
You'll see A LOT more whining, crying, and in general, complete drivel at HB forums than you'll ever find here.
The head Developer of 2K21, HB_Craig, told me, and other TGCT members that the game was working as intended and that there was nothing to fix. I personally brought a variety of these matters up to him before, yes!, before the game even launched and he refused to budge on his stance. Many of these interactions with people happened in TGCTs Twitch channels. If TGCTs had soooooo much pull then it would have been addressed A LONG TIME AGO!
Gasman If you want to blame anyone, blame my -23 Ultra Sim Experience RF video for making a mockery of the game (-15, wireless, is easy enough even now). @hammers1 said he should have some blame too for posting it over at HB Forums. Neither one of us play TGCTs. |
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Post by sroel908 on Jun 8, 2021 8:41:16 GMT -5
Someones been drinking too much cool aid at the HB Forums man. The guy who first hounded on the above idea was FirstDown. You know, the guy who had been temporary banned here many times, until his last rant where he was permanently banned, for telling TGCTours they could F*cK off and screw them. Then for about a week straight over at HB forums he's belittling TGCTs and calling them TGCTerds, etc, in virtually every post.
You'll see A LOT more whining, crying, and in general, complete drivel at HB forums than you'll ever find here.
The head Developer of 2K21, HB_Craig, told me, and other TGCT members that the game was working as intended and that there was nothing to fix. I personally brought a variety of these matters up to him before, yes!, before the game even launched and he refused to budge on his stance. Many of these interactions with people happened in TGCTs Twitch channels. If TGCTs had soooooo much pull then it would have been addressed A LONG TIME AGO!
Gasman If you want to blame anyone, blame my -23 Ultra Sim Experience RF video for making a mockery of the game (-15, wireless, is easy enough even now). @hammers1 said he should have some blame too for posting it over at HB Forums. Neither one of us play TGCTs. I am a frequent poster over at the HB forums...one of the like 4 or 5 left. I have been really going to town over there on how much I hated the swing update and it was - at least partly - due to TGCT requesting the red fast nerf, even though I felt the nerf was needed. The nerf, however, then was followed by a second update to make further changes that really made the game an exercise in frustration for me. The duffs out of the sand on splash shots being the worst. I was very frustrated in the fact that this game played one way for 9 months, then was completely changed with little to no info provided on how things had been altered. The only place where anyone really complained about the red fast swings was TGCT - I mean, all of a sudden the week of the change, a Twitter poll went up asking about red fast swings. Seemed a bit fishy and oddly coincidental to me. Not to the extent that FirstDown was been doing, but I fully admit, I did put some of the blame for the changes which led to my frustration on TGCT. Most of my frustration really lies with HB for how they went about these changes and how they just let everyone figure out how and what actually changed. Not to mention, they sit back and allow broken modes like career mode to linger, fester, and rot without so much as an acknowledgement that they are aware of the problems there and are even looking into fixes. Just wanting to give full disclosure. That said, a couple of the folks there (who also post here, I think - @hammers1man and martbloke , perhaps some others, too) really took time to illustrate how to improve on splash shots to make them work better. Saved me a lot of frustration. They put up with my, as you said, "whining, crying, and...complete drivel" I guess, and were willing to do what HB Studios cannot - explain how the game works and what the changes did to alter the game. I'll post here what I did there to sum all my feelings up on these recent swing changes: "I do appreciate the help. It does eliminate some of the frustration. But I do have some remaining issues with all this - unrelated to the folks here.
It shouldn't be left to two people here, who are not HB employees (to my knowledge! Hehe!) to explain how the game works. I have never heard of the game not being 1:1 in terms of percentages, and I have spent far too much time on forums and sites related to this game. It shouldn't be info that has to be hunted down - again, 9-10 months after release - to a post in a thread which last had a new comment on September 14, 2020.
It also goes against what is shown on the screen, and how the game is explained in the tutorials and such. Yes, lie and elevation make a difference, obviously - but the "80%" not actually being 80% is hard to wrap your head around unless you find this one obscure post in a shadowy corner of the virtual golfing internet! Plus, HB is not "officially" on these forums anymore! Why would anyone look here for it?!?!?!
This all falls into the continued inability for HB to communicate changes, functionality, and the like. Imagine all the other people out there who play this game, but don't come to these forums. All they see is the game not working as it did for 9 months. They're left out in the cold, with no idea what has changed. They go to twitter, and get such little details that makes zero sense to anyone who's not a weirdo like us on these forums!" |
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Post by cseanny on Jun 8, 2021 9:19:20 GMT -5
sroel908 Regarding RF, TGCTs had been extremely active and vocal about it for months, upon months, upon months, upon months before any Nerfs/updates; some dating back to shortly after pre-launch. Those polls didn't start coming out until after my RF Ultra Sim Video, at which point HB/2K were in full dive damage control trying to save face. Make no mistake, the video showed extreme flaws in the game.
So again, If TGCTs had soooooo much pull then it would have been addressed A LONG TIME AGO!
edit: You're one of the most conscientious posters over there man. Nothing but grace from you.
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Post by sroel908 on Jun 8, 2021 9:26:25 GMT -5
sroel908 Regarding RF, TGCTs had been extremely active and vocal about it for months, upon months, upon months, upon months before any Nerfs/updates; some dating back to shortly after pre-launch. Those polls didn't start coming out until after my RF Ultra Sim Video, at which point HB/2K were in full dive damage control trying to save face. Make no mistake, the video showed extreme flaws in the game.
So again, If TGCTs had soooooo much pull then it would have been addressed A LONG TIME AGO!
edit: You're one of the most conscientious posters over there man. Nothing but grace from you.
Thank you...appreciate the kind words! And I totally understand TGCT had been vocal for a long time about these things. I guess for me it was just the timing of it all...a Twitter poll coming out mere days before an actual update from HB made it seem like something was at play behind the scenes. No idea if that's the case at all...just saying that's how it looked to me. |
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Post by cseanny on Jun 8, 2021 9:44:52 GMT -5
sroel908 Andre/Canuck has always been a great Ambassador for the game and has a great relationship with HB, and to my understanding, he has the ability to openly communicate with them. HB even gave him, and other TGCT Streamers, free game/cd keys to hand out during pre-launch. So something behind the scenes? I'd wager YES, he was well aware that a nerf was incoming but that's about it.
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Post by sroel908 on Jun 8, 2021 10:01:30 GMT -5
sroel908 Andre/Canuck has always been a great Ambassador for the game and has a great relationship with HB, and to my understanding, he has the ability to openly communicate with them. HB even gave him, and other TGCT Streamers, free game/cd keys to hand out during pre-launch. So something behind the scenes? I'd wager YES, he was well aware that a nerf was incoming but that's about it. Agreed on all fronts. No negative sentiments held against him whatsoever, or against any of the streamers/partners that work with HB. It's still an HB problem here. My feelings have shifted and I know TGCT isn't at fault or blame here. At the time, I felt differently, but that was before. The way these changes had been communicated is not at all how a AAA sports game developer should inform their user base. 2K is a big time player here, and HB isn't just the little guy on the block anymore. Not releasing patch notes or only offering a Tweet about a "small change" that fundamentally alters the entire mechanic the game is built on does not cut it. So just making a few of the games marketing partners aware of the change, and communicating to the masses as little info as possible, is my main problem here. |
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Post by oswinner on Jun 8, 2021 10:30:29 GMT -5
I quit playing master swing for a while and played pro swing to regain my love for the game. Then I got a little bored as after a while it felt too easy.
Just stepped back up to master swing for my new career season. Feels a bit better. Although sand shots are still pretty crazy hard. That’s where I lose most of my shots.
Shot about 68-69 average with pro swing no assists. Shooting around 71 with master no assists. Fine line between world class shot and 20-handicapper shot though. Wish the bad shots weren’t so bad lol.
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Post by Gasman on Jun 8, 2021 14:06:43 GMT -5
Someones been drinking too much cool aid at the HB Forums man. The guy who first hounded on the above idea was FirstDown. You know, the guy who had been temporary banned here many times, until his last rant where he was permanently banned, for telling TGCTours they could F*cK off and screw them. Then for about a week straight over at HB forums he's belittling TGCTs and calling them TGCTerds, etc, in virtually every post.
You'll see A LOT more whining, crying, and in general, complete drivel at HB forums than you'll ever find here.
The head Developer of 2K21, HB_Craig, told me, and other TGCT members that the game was working as intended and that there was nothing to fix. I personally brought a variety of these matters up to him before, yes!, before the game even launched and he refused to budge on his stance. Many of these interactions with people happened in TGCTs Twitch channels. If TGCTs had soooooo much pull then it would have been addressed A LONG TIME AGO!
Gasman If you want to blame anyone, blame my -23 Ultra Sim Experience RF video for making a mockery of the game (-15, wireless, is easy enough even now). @hammers1 said he should have some blame too for posting it over at HB Forums. Neither one of us play TGCTs. HB cool aid are you serious??? |
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Post by zooby97 on Jun 8, 2021 16:51:15 GMT -5
I understand the changes with both updates but the penalty for missing tempo is really a kick in the gut. I feel they went a little too far with the red fast and red slow punishments.
I’m starting to feel that the tempo is random. I’ll do practice swings before my shots. My driver is ok with tempo. I use Max driver and I figured it out for the most part. But the irons is another story. I’ll do my practice swings and find that decent grey fast, grey slow and perfect tempo and then when i do my actual shot the tempo feels the same but the damn red slow pops up and my hole is ruined as I have to struggle to get par now.
I have no problem playing par golf and that is not my complaint. But when I feel the tempo is random it makes it harder to even get par at times. And I have no issues with focusing on tempo. I just feel it is randomness now and that is not good either.
And every par 3 with water is a red slow and kerplunk. I still love this game and will still play my TGC tour rounds but I feel doing these changes this late was not a good idea. I still feel they are throwing the hammer down to get people used to what is in store for the new game whenever that comes out.
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Post by MachOne117 on Jun 8, 2021 18:26:43 GMT -5
Very enjoyable thread here. Seems there are basically three issues being said in a lot of different ways (maybe there’s more, but these seem to be the big/broad topics). 1. HB/2K communication with the player community. Specifically providing release notes with details for updates. I’ve only played 2K21, but I assume this has been the norm (lack of transparency and information) since the original The Golf Club. If that’s true, we shouldn’t be surprised even if the recent changes have a more significant (and to some negative) impact than any before. 2. Some folks don’t like the actual changes to the swing (and wouldn’t even if it were well communicated). This is an understandable frustration after such a long time with the old RF meta in play and getting used to either using it to the max or even using it situationally. However, there are other people who have wanted a swing change from the beginning. Those folks either felt going for perfects was the “more right” way to play, they got tired of knowing the RF’ers were duck-hooking their way to the top, or they have a deep-down, genetic, and nearly psychotic hatred for aged and stinky cheese of any sort. 3. Some think the update has made the game too hard to play at the master level. This is probably mostly from the Xbox perspective (and I understand that POV), but there have been plenty of other non-Xbox folks with the same opinion. This is a weird one for me because the winning scores in my CC (B) don’t seem to have dropped as far as the outcry would seem to indicate. Granted, I don’t have the data in a usable form to do statistical analysis to see if the score changes are significant. Can anybody do this relatively easily? I think seeing winning scores and cut lines from week to week across all levels could give some insights on this. In the end, no single person’s opinion or reason for being a pre- or post-update supporter is more valid or right than any other person’s on any of the three issues above. That’s not to discount the impacts from the change (people may be losing interest at least as indicated by TGCT participation, people may be getting more excited for EA’s release to get here, you can’t as easily blow through a round of golf without focusing on each shot because the swing penalties are more severe, average scores may be increasing [oh the humanity if the pro tours’ winners aren’t at least -40!]). I’ll keep plugging along as long as HB/2K doesn’t drop an update to apply and modify spin with the ball in mid-air while pumping a button as fast as possible...  |
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Post by Doyley on Jun 8, 2021 19:59:02 GMT -5
Couple of patterns we've noticed over the years: 1. Warmer weather in North America (our largest userbase) drops participation (ie this time of year) 2. Participation drops as game gets older
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3. Pandemic/loosening of restrictions world wide = more people spending time outside Those are likely factors as well - on top of the swing changes. Usually there's a bounce back so we'll see if the pattern holds true. |
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Post by spikel on Jun 8, 2021 20:42:20 GMT -5
I understand the changes with both updates but the penalty for missing tempo is really a kick in the gut. I feel they went a little too far with the red fast and red slow punishments. I’m starting to feel that the tempo is random. I’ll do practice swings before my shots. My driver is ok with tempo. I use Max driver and I figured it out for the most part. But the irons is another story. I’ll do my practice swings and find that decent grey fast, grey slow and perfect tempo and then when i do my actual shot the tempo feels the same but the damn red slow pops up and my hole is ruined as I have to struggle to get par now. I have no problem playing par golf and that is not my complaint. But when I feel the tempo is random it makes it harder to even get par at times. And I have no issues with focusing on tempo. I just feel it is randomness now and that is not good either. And every par 3 with water is a red slow and kerplunk. I still love this game and will still play my TGC tour rounds but I feel doing these changes this late was not a good idea. I still feel they are throwing the hammer down to get people used to what is in store for the new game whenever that comes out. I was having a great week on CC this week until hole 2 rd 4, kerplunk water. I take drop in rough and can't get it over the water so I take a max lol. Yes penalty is too harsh for water holes I think, my one mistake all week and it was a big one.Taking a drop in the rough was a mistake; I probably could have tried to pull it back to the Tee box, but I suppose I made the worst of my mistake heh. Water holes terrify me atm, overall I enjoy the changes. Its taken a lot of practice, but some things are just a bit too cruel. |
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Post by bubbsboy100. on Jun 9, 2021 2:14:28 GMT -5
Couple of patterns we've noticed over the years: 1. Warmer weather in North America (our largest userbase) drops participation (ie this time of year) 2. Participation drops as game gets older
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3. Pandemic/loosening of restrictions world wide = more people spending time outside Those are likely factors as well - on top of the swing changes. Usually there's a bounce back so we'll see if the pattern holds true. 4. Release of PS5. Lots of folk who have acquired the console wont have done just to play golf on it. Im frustrated with game personally but im not a big "gamer" , if i was i woudn`t be playing this one. |
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