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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 6, 2021 15:51:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I think we've done this to death but none of the above is wrong. HB/2K must see it? It's a bit silly at the moment that we're either perfect or way off. And the way off is also stupid. No long misses, very minor left or right misses, just SHORT. If only people hadn't abused the easily repeatable bad swing with a consistent result we'd be fine! If you are talking about red fasts I think that's a bit silly! Now abusing very fasts is another story. Nope. Red fast was an easily repeatable bad swing with consistent results. Otherwise why wouldn't you have been playing for perfects? |
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Post by spikel on Jun 6, 2021 18:00:41 GMT -5
If you are talking about red fasts I think that's a bit silly! Now abusing very fasts is another story. Nope. Red fast was an easily repeatable bad swing with consistent results. Otherwise why wouldn't you have been playing for perfects? I'd do both, but red fasts off the tee for me sure. It wasn't bad cause the results were somewhat controllable, the impact area was still very small to hit. The risks were lower, sure.
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Post by itsjustgary on Jun 7, 2021 12:14:21 GMT -5
Bored at home I did some checking of numbers.  These show the participation numbers for all the tours (TST not included to avoid double counting of players) showing the first week after the Qualifier, week 3, then ten week intervals until the red fast nerf in the middle of week 31. Then the numbers show participation in each flight for each of the subsequent weeks up to the current unfinished week #37. Week 35 was the latest update when slows were modified, which was also the most recent Promo event. Tour participation is down by around 450 this week compared with week 31 when the nerfing started. The Pro flights are very stable, Kinetic helped by a large influx of players after the Promo which also probably explains the bigger drops at the top of the Challenge Circuit. The Beer League has remained pretty stable around the 155-165 level. The hemorrhage of players seems to have slowed and indeed some may be finding ways of coping or even making progress with the changes and adapting to playing on some tough CC courses. There may well have been some reticence to risk demo marks with variable tempo. What is not happening is huge numbers choosing to play at the easier Pro difficulty and still 90% of players choose to play at the Master difficulty. This may well change in the coming weeks but I felt it worthwhile to remove conjecture and put some actual numbers for people to draw their own conclusions from. In case there are some who see a table of numbers as TLDR, here is a graph with half of the CC flights displayed to make it slightly clearer.  Do it for Xbox one only and you will find it is probably even worse |
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Post by itsjustgary on Jun 7, 2021 12:16:25 GMT -5
The developer screwed up the game there's no doubt about that and TGC tours is working with what they have but it's a failure on their part not to have Xbox playing only Xbox when we're at such a disadvantage competitively.
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Post by peskypeanut on Jun 7, 2021 12:54:59 GMT -5
The developer screwed up the game there's no doubt about that and TGC tours is working with what they have but it's a failure on their part not to have Xbox playing only Xbox when we're at such a disadvantage competitively. There is no failure on TGC’s part. If you want Xbox playing only Xbox then check the standings on the society in game. |
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Post by Rad Ad on Jun 7, 2021 14:15:48 GMT -5
The developer screwed up the game there's no doubt about that and TGC tours is working with what they have but it's a failure on their part not to have Xbox playing only Xbox when we're at such a disadvantage competitively. There is no failure on TGC’s part. If you want Xbox playing only Xbox then check the standings on the society in game. Interest in the TGC Tours appears to have decreased about 25% in the past few weeks. I'm not sure if there are enough XBox players to warrant their own flight but I don't see why they wouldn't consider it. At a time when interest in this game is waning, it's something that might drive interest. |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 7, 2021 15:09:19 GMT -5
As a struggling Xboxer I couldn't disagree more. TGCTours is all about the cross platform, it's not their fault the playing field currently isn't even. We have multiple societies on our own consoles where we can just play against ourselves. If TGCTours split by console it would just become another one of them. Plus you're asking unpaid people to do even more work! If you don't want to compete here then don't, that's your choice. But I get a bit tired of people having a pop at these tours for the state of the game on our console.
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Post by r0nrun on Jun 7, 2021 15:29:31 GMT -5
As a struggling Xboxer I couldn't disagree more. TGCTours is all about the cross platform, it's not their fault the playing field currently isn't even. We have multiple societies on our own consoles where we can just play against ourselves. If TGCTours split by console it would just become another one of them. Plus you're asking unpaid people to do even more work! If you don't want to compete here then don't, that's your choice. But I get a bit tired of people having a pop at these tours for the state of the game on our console.  |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 7, 2021 19:08:09 GMT -5
As a struggling Xboxer I couldn't disagree more. TGCTours is all about the cross platform, it's not their fault the playing field currently isn't even. We have multiple societies on our own consoles where we can just play against ourselves. If TGCTours split by console it would just become another one of them. Plus you're asking unpaid people to do even more work! If you don't want to compete here then don't, that's your choice. But I get a bit tired of people having a pop at these tours for the state of the game on our console. I actually just did that after my second round  |
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Post by Gasman on Jun 8, 2021 2:20:02 GMT -5
The developer screwed up the game there's no doubt about that and TGC tours is working with what they have but it's a failure on their part not to have Xbox playing only Xbox when we're at such a disadvantage competitively. There is no failure on TGC’s part. If you want Xbox playing only Xbox then check the standings on the society in game. This made me laugh!!! The whining request for change was the failure of TGCTOURS, knowing that the inexperienced developers had little to no chance of fixing an already broken swing mechanic. What the Tours should have done is asked for a better balance across all participating platforms & then started the whining for nerf requests. Just a basic walk before you can run situation was the ideal but clearly that wasn’t the Tours priority. |
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Post by gatorman on Jun 8, 2021 6:28:55 GMT -5
Can't you sort the Leaderboard by platform you play? That tells you where you stand on that platform. I guess you could rank high in your platform but still get an overall demotion mark, but you would know you are competing well on the playing field you are on.
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Post by peskypeanut on Jun 8, 2021 6:33:23 GMT -5
There is no failure on TGC’s part. If you want Xbox playing only Xbox then check the standings on the society in game. This made me laugh!!! The whining request for change was the failure of TGCTOURS, knowing that the inexperienced developers had little to no chance of fixing an already broken swing mechanic. What the Tours should have done is asked for a better balance across all participating platforms & then started the whining for nerf requests. Just a basic walk before you can run situation was the ideal but clearly that wasn’t the Tours priority. The swing mechanics are fine on PC and PS. Is it not the case that it’s Xbox that can’t cope with the game? From what I’ve read it’s a problem with the controller. I don’t think the updated swing mechanics had anything to do with TGC Tours. I would imagine it had more to do with the fact HB/2K were embarrassed how easy it was to cheese the game. |
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Post by dansamp on Jun 8, 2021 6:44:52 GMT -5
This made me laugh!!! The whining request for change was the failure of TGCTOURS, knowing that the inexperienced developers had little to no chance of fixing an already broken swing mechanic. What the Tours should have done is asked for a better balance across all participating platforms & then started the whining for nerf requests. Just a basic walk before you can run situation was the ideal but clearly that wasn’t the Tours priority. The swing mechanics are fine on PC and PS. Is it not the case that it’s Xbox that can’t cope with the game? From what I’ve read it’s a problem with the controller. I don’t think the updated swing mechanics had anything to do with TGC Tours. I would imagine it had more to do with the fact HB/2K were embarrassed how easy it was to cheese the game. I think it's a little bit of column A, and a little bit of column B. The controller is definitely part of the issue with its 124hz polling rate. However, I used a device that allowed me to use a PS4 DS4 controller on the XB, and was having the same fundamental issues (limited polling points), so I think there's something going on at the console level as well in terms of how it processes controller outcomes. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Jun 8, 2021 6:49:48 GMT -5
There is no failure on TGC’s part. If you want Xbox playing only Xbox then check the standings on the society in game. This made me laugh!!! The whining request for change was the failure of TGCTOURS, knowing that the inexperienced developers had little to no chance of fixing an already broken swing mechanic. What the Tours should have done is asked for a better balance across all participating platforms & then started the whining for nerf requests. Just a basic walk before you can run situation was the ideal but clearly that wasn’t the Tours priority. There has been no, I repeat NO, failure of TGCT. What they do is amazing. This ALL lies in the hands of HB/2K and their incompetency, selling a game that was broken and incomplete at the time of release. It was completely unacceptable making major swing mechanic updates to a game 8 months after the game released. That's where the failure lies. TGCT provides this to you, without asking for one cent of your money. I don't agree with every choice made on TGCT regarding difficulty and flights but I sure would never indicate they have failed, like you did. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 7:02:41 GMT -5
The swing mechanics are fine on PC and PS. Is it not the case that it’s Xbox that can’t cope with the game? From what I’ve read it’s a problem with the controller. I don’t think the updated swing mechanics had anything to do with TGC Tours. I would imagine it had more to do with the fact HB/2K were embarrassed how easy it was to cheese the game. I think it's a little bit of column A, and a little bit of column B. The controller is definitely part of the issue with its 124hz polling rate. However, I used a device that allowed me to use a PS4 DS4 controller on the XB, and was having the same fundamental issues (limited polling points), so I think there's something going on at the console level as well in terms of how it processes controller outcomes. Are all 3rd party Xbox controllers 124hz ? |
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