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Post by DaveC_87 on Oct 9, 2020 21:28:16 GMT -5
Same here - I LITERALLY see no difference 50 foot putts go where they should, 8 foot putts do the same. I never move anything and don't rumble. All feel. I look at the putter and hit the ball. Seems the same - if I had not seen posts I would not think anything of it. There's a HUGE difference. I'm now using my 2019 13F-17F Avatar position for the 2K21 10F putt. Pre Patch my 40% Avatar Position in 2K21 was hitting the ball to 25F. Post patch that 40% Avatar Position is now hitting the ball to 10F, or 29%. As my video has already shown though, you no longer need anything other than 1 Avatar position now.
I've always absolutely loved all of TGC Series, however, this putting change is an unprecedented disaster in my eyes. Talk about removing the skill from the putter. It's shocking.
I also hate this new putting. Before this "phantom" patch, I had my putting down pretty well. Rarely over shot my putts (I play no grid so this is critical to avoid 3 putts). Now, I am over shooting on medium putts and my putting stroke is all over the place. Very frustrated. Why would HB push a patch that changes the putting tempo and not say anything? |
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Post by SloanerTW on Oct 9, 2020 21:57:30 GMT -5
I can't believe the hate on the new putting. Its honestly the best rendition of putting that any golf game has made. Has anyone turned on the meter and actually seen what the putter is doing? They made short putts easier to judge speed and longer putts hard. The velocity of the bar is not a static increase where you'd count 1 second for 10ft 2 for 20ft etc. Go to the practice green and turn on the meter and hit a 10-15ft putt you'll probably get white most of the time. Then go to 60ft+ and I bet you blow past the marker the first few times as you anticipate where you need to push forward to get the right distance. So for shorter putts the bar moves slower and longer putts the bar is faster it pretty much captures the difficulty of judging speed of real golf.
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Post by bahnzo on Oct 10, 2020 0:18:59 GMT -5
I believe they slowed the swing across the whole game. I loaded up my swing macro tonight to do some distance testing, and I noticed it was very fast from what it was before. The only explanation has to be they they changed the normal swing as well. I know they changed the pitch/flop/etc swings, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise they did the same with the normal one.
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Post by cseanny on Oct 10, 2020 5:36:29 GMT -5
I believe they slowed the swing across the whole game. I loaded up my swing macro tonight to do some distance testing, and I noticed it was very fast from what it was before. The only explanation has to be they they changed the normal swing as well. I know they changed the pitch/flop/etc swings, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise they did the same with the normal one. Every swing is the same on the PS4. They also tweaked how much L/R deviation (not carry/roll out distance; it's negligible) you receive from hitting FAST/SLOW. They're actually easier to hit now because you don't have to aim out as far.
So we only need 1 Avatar Position to hit 90% of our putts, and now, REDs of any type will find their mark much easier. Imo scores on Master will end up being much lower than in 2019.
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Post by mrohde4 on Oct 10, 2020 10:27:32 GMT -5
I believe they slowed the swing across the whole game. I loaded up my swing macro tonight to do some distance testing, and I noticed it was very fast from what it was before. The only explanation has to be they they changed the normal swing as well. I know they changed the pitch/flop/etc swings, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise they did the same with the normal one. Every swing is the same on the PS4. They also tweaked how much L/R deviation (not carry/roll out distance; it's negligible) you receive from hitting FAST/SLOW. They're actually easier to hit now because you don't have to aim out as far.
So we only need 1 Avatar Position to hit 90% of our putts, and now, REDs of any type will find their mark much easier. Imo scores on Master will end up being much lower than in 2019.
Can you actually verify these claims from a credible source or are these just your opinions? Do you have actual knowledge that all swings are the same or is it just your experience? |
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Post by tidy75 on Oct 10, 2020 11:43:08 GMT -5
Exactly this. You can't just change it in the first week of TGC Tours when we've all been practising for weeks. I've just missed my cut because of this - played round 1 Monday then this happens and I'm +5 after 7 holes having missed 3 or 4 2 footers. TGCTours is a 3rd party entity that has zero involvement in gameplay changes and the timing of them. That would be on HB Studios / 2K I'm aware of that, but it's also a fact that TGC Tours is the de facto e-sports community for the game. So the timing of the change was naive to say the least. |
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Post by cseanny on Oct 10, 2020 13:51:38 GMT -5
Every swing is the same on the PS4. They also tweaked how much L/R deviation (not carry/roll out distance; it's negligible) you receive from hitting FAST/SLOW. They're actually easier to hit now because you don't have to aim out as far.
So we only need 1 Avatar Position to hit 90% of our putts, and now, REDs of any type will find their mark much easier. Imo scores on Master will end up being much lower than in 2019.
Can you actually verify these claims from a credible source or are these just your opinions? Do you have actual knowledge that all swings are the same or is it just your experience? Identical swing timings are verified by using a metronome. Each swing is compared to the normal perfect timing, so the chip and pitch should be 84-85%, while the splash should be 90-91%. They remain quite the same. Post patch my PW Red Fast now needs 1y less aim, my 9i is 2y less, and my 4i is 3y less. When you keep hitting every shot wide it becomes apparent very quick.
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Post by mrohde4 on Oct 10, 2020 14:47:40 GMT -5
Can you actually verify these claims from a credible source or are these just your opinions? Do you have actual knowledge that all swings are the same or is it just your experience? Identical swing timings are verified by using a metronome. Each swing is compared to the normal perfect timing, so the chip and pitch should be 84-85%, while the splash should be 90-91%. They remain quite the same. Post patch my PW Red Fast now needs 1y less aim, my 9i is 2y less, and my 4i is 3y less. When you keep hitting every shot wide it becomes apparent very quick.
Ok I understand now thanks. Thought maybe you had actual sources from within HB or 2K. |
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Post by grinder12000 on Oct 10, 2020 15:02:57 GMT -5
Well - all I know is that I have not noticed any difference at all HOWEVER - my long putts are MUCH better now. I don't use a meter, rumble and percent, all feel and it's much easier FOR ME. Maybe all the people that use crutches to putt it's messed them up. FOR ME - Ignorance is bliss  |
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Post by cseanny on Oct 10, 2020 17:21:05 GMT -5
Well - all I know is that I have not noticed any difference at all HOWEVER - my long putts are MUCH better now. I don't use a meter, rumble and percent, all feel and it's much easier FOR ME. Maybe all the people that use crutches to putt it's messed them up. FOR ME - Ignorance is bliss It's the opposite. Those using rumble see no difference. |
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Oct 10, 2020 17:21:52 GMT -5
Well - all I know is that I have not noticed any difference at all HOWEVER - my long putts are MUCH better now. I don't use a meter, rumble and percent, all feel and it's much easier FOR ME. Maybe all the people that use crutches to putt it's messed them up. FOR ME - Ignorance is bliss It's the opposite. Those using rumble see no difference. Add in those who pull the putter back slowly as well. |
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Post by bahnzo on Oct 10, 2020 19:43:51 GMT -5
Every swing is the same on the PS4. They also tweaked how much L/R deviation (not carry/roll out distance; it's negligible) you receive from hitting FAST/SLOW. They're actually easier to hit now because you don't have to aim out as far.
So we only need 1 Avatar Position to hit 90% of our putts, and now, REDs of any type will find their mark much easier. Imo scores on Master will end up being much lower than in 2019.
Can you actually verify these claims from a credible source or are these just your opinions? Do you have actual knowledge that all swings are the same or is it just your experience? I can answer that, on PC anyways. Every swing type is still different. Every *downswing* has the same timing now, which I don't think was the case before. But backswings still take longer to complete on a pitch/etc than a normal swing does. I can't use the macro I use for a normal swing to get a 100% pitch. But the tempo is still the same. |
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Post by respawntv on Oct 10, 2020 22:15:46 GMT -5
Interesting all the people posting videos online have not even mentioned a change early1981. Respawn and all the rest. Not a word with videos that have been made in tha last 24 hours Been off the forums for a while so catching up on all the new threads and thoughts on things. I haven't really noticed a difference in the swing. I pull the stick back slowly and that seems unchanged or maybe sped up very slightly? I did notice that max speed you can pull it back has been maybe slowed some but I don't use this method so I can't speak on it as to how much they slowed it. If there was a change in the tempo of every other swing, I haven't noticed it either and if I did my brain adjusted to it on the first swing as my tempo is still spot on most of the time with what I am looking for. So a video from me wouldn't make sense as I am still playing the exact same I was, haven't noticed a change except max speed slowed which I covered 30 seconds talking on Twitch, and everyone in here seems to have somewhat a grasp on what the changes were. Also, I haven't been given any information about the change so I am in the dark as well. I speculated that HB must be testing out server side patches to give updates and not have to wait for the approval process from platforms which can sometimes take weeks. I look at this as a positive as it allows for updates to come without having to wait. I understand some people are frustrated but that always comes with the territory with game updates. I look at this game like every other sports game. They take feedback from the community and make changes where wanted. I would say from all my YouTube comments and Twitch streams the biggest complaint was the speed of the putting. People thought it was too twitchy and hard to control and they wanted something similar to 2019 back (for whatever reason. Putting was my least favorite in 2019). Maybe this has found a middle ground? I still think the putter is faster than 2019 when pulling back all the way so still better in those regards. I don't know how this will effect scores on the tours either. On one hand I can see maybe it lowering scores some as the putting has in some way been made easier, I guess, but I haven't been holing more putts out. Everything for me has stayed the same and the scores are exactly what I was expecting to see this week. It could take some time for people to get used to it so maybe we see lower scores then, but for me and from what I have seen so far, nothing has changed for the most part. In the end though, what do I know |
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Post by grinder12000 on Oct 10, 2020 22:50:54 GMT -5
My thinking is that it only affects people that do certain techniques? However Respawn and I are completely different (he is good I am not good) so . . . . . .
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Post by cseanny on Oct 11, 2020 17:57:38 GMT -5
HB is tinkering still. Now those Red Fast/Slow no longer require less aim, however both sides of GREY have less dispersion.
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