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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 12:47:13 GMT -5
Tastes original post in this thread was done with the intention of gathering data to help HB identify and fix the ball squirt bug. But you now say it is not a bug. Have you done your analysis of the above pictures? Do you see anything there that cause you concerns.? I'd be interesting in hearing that. Picture 2 of 4 is not what I would expect. Video of the full shot including ball landing would be better than a screen cap, as I would expect that shot to land a bit left of centre at the end of its flight. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't fully trust the in flight ball tracer in a snapshot, as it actually shifts during ball flight. |
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 4, 2015 12:49:01 GMT -5
Would of been nice sharing this with everyone, had it been that not so many people had made the assumption they were dealing with idiots, and then leapt to the defense of the person essentially calling everyone an idiot. ENJOY YOUR BALL SQUIRT. So you've basically fixed this issue and are now just going to be petty and with-hold the information from anyone else, regardless of their opinion, as to how they might fix it if they encounter it? You're taking your ball and going home... and you wonder why people think this discussion looks like children arguing in a school playground. *shakes head, walks away* This thread went from civil discourse to one filled with accusations, pointing fingers and insults pretty fast. You can disagree with someone without being an arse about it...that is Steve's point. If you want to disagree with him fine, but do so in a way that isn't equivalent to pointing a finger at him and calling him a liar, crazy or ignorant. The initial attempt of this thread was to try and help others and HBS to see what was happening. Many of us shared our own details and like before, there are a few that poo-poo'd our data and conclusions. Fine. As we have seen with so many other things like chipping on greens, all it takes is a few people to abuse the system to suddenly have a rule change that effects the entire tour, all cause of a few people. Well same goes here for Steve. A few people made pissy remarks and he had it, can't say I blame him, cause frankly I'm tired of it as well. That being said, I'm going to turn off my computer and go rebuild it. I got some new toys today to put in my new case. Attachments:
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 4, 2015 12:50:44 GMT -5
Picture 2 of 4 is not what I would expect. Video of the full shot including ball landing would be better than a screen cap, as I would expect that shot to land a bit left of centre at the end of its flight. The key of these pictures is take a look at the ball flight at the TOP of the picture. A straight shot goes in between those two boxes almost perfectly. A squirt shot is several degrees right/left. You are right without video it is hard to see the moment of contact but I think these pix illustrate it pretty darn well. |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 12:53:51 GMT -5
I understand that.
But pictures 1,3,4 are what I would expect, given the direction of the wind.
Wind seems to influence the ball flight immediately off the tee (at least as far as the ball tracer is concerned)
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 4, 2015 12:59:06 GMT -5
I understand that. But pictures 1,3,4 are what I would expect, given the direction of the wind. Wind seems to influence the ball flight immediately off the tee (at least as far as the ball tracer is concerned) Granted, but what you expect is if the ball is hit straight all 4 of those times, with the same wind, the ball should act the same way in all of those shots.. it was not. THAT is ball squirt. The randomness of the ball coming off the face head immediately, without the wind having the time to affect it in a completely random direction. |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 13:10:44 GMT -5
But, it's not the same exact wind.
I'm going to be really careful as I don't want to be accused of calling someone a liar, I'm just going to explain what I see:
Picture 1 - 3mph wind pushing the ball a bit to the left (it's not straight up and down), the ball tracer is left of center. ok, that makes sense to me
Picture 2 - 6mph wind pushing the ball a bit left, ball tracer is to the right. Not what I would expect, I would expect it to be similar to picture 1. with the no video disclaimer to see how it ended up
Picture 3 - 4mph wind, looks like a straight headwind, shot splits the uprights, no problem there
Picture 4 - 6 mph wind, pushing the ball a bit left, tracer goes a bit left, ok, that makes sense to me too.
Edit - just re-read your post, and I think this is a key point.
Bright, you said "without the wind having the time to affect it".
Maybe this is the crux of it.
I think the wind does affect it, at least insofar as graphic representation goes, right off the tee.
I'm not saying it should, but I've always felt it did.
That's what I was on about earlier in the thread about the net effect.
A dead straight swing in a 10mph crosswind should, realistically, go straight out, and then bend with the wind.
I don't think the game represents that graphically.
The game seems to send it directly in the direction of the crosswind immediately upon the ball leaving the tee.
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 4, 2015 13:13:31 GMT -5
If you want to disagree with him fine, but do so in a way that isn't equivalent to pointing a finger at him and calling him a liar, crazy or ignorant. At what point did I ever do that? I said in my first post I'd never seen it happen... Which I hadn't because I didn't know to ever look for it and it had never jumped out at me. If I hit a shot and it went 20 yards right of the target I just assumed, being the cut rate golfer I am, I'd sclaffed it off the toe with my usual slice and it was my own fault. My second post was a legitimate question. If we all played under these conditions, assuming it was pre-programmed or a bug... then it's an even playing field. It reminded me a lot of in the same way Pro Snooker players have to deal with cue-ball "kick". No-one can fix it as no-one knows exactly what causes it and there are many theories. To which I got what felt like a mildly threatening and ominous response when tastegw replied back with just "not for much longer"... It then took someone else to explain what he meant by that. I'm still waiting on him explaining that post to me, even after asking him directly. So what I see now is, regardless of who said what and when, a situation where certain select people are going to have this bug/phenomenon fix knowledge, with-hold it from everyone else and judging by your comments steve be smug about it as well too boot. "Enjoy your ball squirt"... Well Thanks... What did I ever do to you? It's ridiculous and just seems petty. Welcome to the Internet, I guess. |
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 4, 2015 13:16:02 GMT -5
So you've basically fixed this issue and are now just going to be petty and with-hold the information from anyone else, regardless of their opinion, as to how they might fix it if they encounter it? You're taking your ball and going home... and you wonder why people think this discussion looks like children arguing in a school playground. *shakes head, walks away* Don't worry you are not the only person to call me a school child in this thread, I heard troll, ass$ole, etc etc etc. What would you have me do after all that, grow a thicker skin maybe. Yeah I think not. I set out with taste with the best intentions and got mashed. No thx, that's not how one attracts bees. Read my post again steve... I didn't actually call you a school child but you are taking your ball and going home. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:17:02 GMT -5
But, it's not the same exact wind. I'm going to be really careful as I don't want to be accused of calling someone a liar, I'm just going to explain what I see: Picture 1 - 3mph wind pushing the ball a bit to the left (it's not straight up and down), the ball tracer is left of center. ok, that makes sense to me Picture 2 - 6mph wind pushing the ball a bit left, ball tracer is to the right. Not what I would expect, I would expect it to be similar to picture 1. with the no video disclaimer to see how it ended up Picture 3 - 4mph wind, looks like a straight headwind, shot splits the uprights, no problem there Picture 4 - 6 mph wind, pushing the ball a bit left, tracer goes a bit left, ok, that makes sense to me too. I think it would help, at least help me, to understand what you would anticipate seeing that is different than what I am seeing. So 1 and 2 not Ok but need video, 3 and 4 OK. Wonder what the only single difference is.? |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 13:22:01 GMT -5
But, it's not the same exact wind. I'm going to be really careful as I don't want to be accused of calling someone a liar, I'm just going to explain what I see: Picture 1 - 3mph wind pushing the ball a bit to the left (it's not straight up and down), the ball tracer is left of center. ok, that makes sense to me Picture 2 - 6mph wind pushing the ball a bit left, ball tracer is to the right. Not what I would expect, I would expect it to be similar to picture 1. with the no video disclaimer to see how it ended up Picture 3 - 4mph wind, looks like a straight headwind, shot splits the uprights, no problem there Picture 4 - 6 mph wind, pushing the ball a bit left, tracer goes a bit left, ok, that makes sense to me too. I think it would help, at least help me, to understand what you would anticipate seeing that is different than what I am seeing. So 1 and 2 not Ok but need video, 3 and 4 OK. Wonder what the only single difference is.? Actually, i thought 1 was ok. 2 didn't look right, I mentioned the video as I would be curious if the ball ended up landing left of center, as one would expect it to with the wind. So I answered your question as you requested. Will you answer mine now about if the original idea was this was a game bug to diagnose, how can it be fixed on the user end? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:25:32 GMT -5
Don't worry you are not the only person to call me a school child in this thread, I heard troll, ass$ole, etc etc etc. What would you have me do after all that, grow a thicker skin maybe. Yeah I think not. I set out with taste with the best intentions and got mashed. No thx, that's not how one attracts bees. Read my post again steve... I didn't actually call you a school child but you are taking your ball and going home. Listen I do not take issue with you or many in this thread, My inbox is filling nicely as well. There are people in this thread I would, only over my dead rotting corpse, share my info with. But the info is so simple I know it would spread like wild fire to people who have absolutely no business ever knowing the info. So unfortunately for now at least, nice people like you have to suffer not knowing for now. I'm sorry for that.
If HBS ever got around to responding honestly about the issue and asked the same questions in a respectful manner and not just spewed lies and fairy tales, I would help them fix it for everyone.
So I'm wait and see for the moment at least. Patience please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:28:27 GMT -5
So 1 and 2 not Ok but need video, 3 and 4 OK. Wonder what the only single difference is.? Actually, i thought 1 was ok. 2 didn't look right, I mentioned the video as I would be curious if the ball ended up landing left of center, as one would expect it to with the wind. So I answered your question as you requested. Will you answer mine now about if the original idea was this was a game bug to diagnose, how can it be fixed on the user end? I did already a page back.
"And finally, if it is a game bug as was the initial claim, how is it possible to fix it on the user end?" How much clearer I need be, I stated "HBS has no clue why the ball squirts, it does not squirt for them in studio, it is not programmed to squirt, it is not now nor was it ever intended by them to have the ball squirt, but yet you all see ball squirt. Hmmm, wonder why that is." So what is it again, I'm lying, stupid or both.
Its not a bug, the game is perfect well almost perfect anyway.
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 4, 2015 13:29:38 GMT -5
Listen I do not take issue with you or many in this thread, My inbox is filling nicely as well. There are people in this thread I would, only over my dead rotting corpse, share my info with. But the info is so simple I know it would spread like wild fire to people who have absolutely no business ever knowing the info. So unfortunately for now at least, nice people like you have to suffer not knowing for now. I'm sorry for that.
If HBS ever got around to responding honestly about the issue and asked the same questions in a respectful manner and not just spewed lies and fairy tales, I would help them fix it for everyone.
So I'm wait and see for the moment at least. Patience please.
Then I say just close this thread... because if you've got the answer and no-one else is going to get to know... What is the point in this being here. Shut it down. |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 13:34:08 GMT -5
Well Steve, I am truly happy for you that you have been able to solve the issue.
You obviously spent significant time and energy investigating it, so I'm glad you got it all worked out, I really am.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:34:32 GMT -5
agreed shut her down!
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