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Post by mcbogga on Mar 4, 2015 10:15:12 GMT -5
Not so fast there Brighttail. Have seen comments from Lorin before on the forum that turned out to be half true. He is not the guy who designed or programmed the game...
Someone who knows how needs to test this off center thing and validate. Then maybe we can bury it. Seems from the comments on page 3 you already did and dismissed it?
Pubknight - you did say this before. Thread is too long. Took the edge of the plot twist there.
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Post by xusemagru on Mar 4, 2015 10:18:17 GMT -5
So by this theory if you swing 7 to 12 the ball should squirt left? 5 to 12 it squirts right? Or do I have that backwards. I am not sold that this is it though
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 10:28:50 GMT -5
(breaking my promise)
7 to 12 will send the ball to the right.
5 to 12 will send the ball to the left. (currently)
It sounds like they are working on having a toggle option in the future where you could change this.
So an 'inside' backswing would create a draw, and an 'outside' backswing would create a fade.
The simple fact they are looking at adding that as an option (without recoding the swing) has to indicate that the backswing path has an influence.
Which is why I was on about human fallibility.
It's simply impossible to always have a straight back, straight through swing (without doctored controllers)
And the deviations people were talking about, could be easily explained by backswing deviation.
(Occam's Razor and all that)
This likely explains Steve's post about how he managed to 'fix' a game bug on his end without a game patch.
And Taste's post about the non-level playing field, as now a 'secret' was discovered to eliminate it.
But the 'secret' seems to be a misconception by some that backswing path had no effect.
I absolutely love that people are so passionate about this game, and discuss it with such enthusiasm.
It's unfortunate that sometimes that enthusiasm can present itself in not the best ways.
I hope this does prove to be the source of the issue, not for vindication, but so people have a better understanding of resultant ball flight, and can self-diagnose when a shot goes screwy.
Bonus tip: it affects putts too. not to the same degree, but a bit... enough to miss a straight flat 12' putt if you pull it back a bit inside or outside.
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Post by fuzion on Mar 4, 2015 11:30:37 GMT -5
It's simply impossible to always have a straight back, straight through swing (without doctored controllers) And the deviations people were talking about, could be easily explained by backswing deviation. As I said previously, this doesn't explain why e.g. Brighttail when he used his modified mouse, with a perfect swing (and backswing) suffered from this bug severely. This likely explains Steve's post about how he managed to 'fix' a game bug on his end without a game patch. And Taste's post about the non-level playing field, as now a 'secret' was discovered to eliminate it. I don't understand this. How could Steve 'fix' anything if it is as a result of a backswing? People anyway concentrate on trying to get both a straight backswing as well as downswing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 11:38:45 GMT -5
Ball squirt be damned!!!  I'm going to play some golf!  |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 11:41:07 GMT -5
It's simply impossible to always have a straight back, straight through swing (without doctored controllers) And the deviations people were talking about, could be easily explained by backswing deviation. As I said previously, this doesn't explain why e.g. Brighttail when he used his modified mouse, with a perfect swing (and backswing) suffered from this bug severely. This likely explains Steve's post about how he managed to 'fix' a game bug on his end without a game patch. And Taste's post about the non-level playing field, as now a 'secret' was discovered to eliminate it. I don't understand this. How could Steve 'fix' anything if it is as a result of a backswing? People anyway concentrate on trying to get both a straight backswing as well as downswing. Q1: Not sure. Brighttail posted in this thread recently saying it made sense to him, so he would seem to be the one to ask. But even with his old 'straight shooter' mouse settings, he wasn't 100% perfect all the time. Q2: That's a question for Steve. But he posted that he 'fixed' it. It's a good question: How does one fix a game bug on their own end? It's feasible, that if people believed the backswing had no effect, they weren't particularly concentrating on trying to make a straight backswing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:05:04 GMT -5
You know when you treat people like they are stupid, when all they are trying to do is help, you might get vitriol. Try explaining there are people that are not stupid and have the ability to do pretty much anything with any controller, I even said clearly, just because you can't, don't assume I can't, trying to send a clear message. Still down to the latest message, we get impossible, they don't know what they are doing. Personally I find that completely insulting. Enjoy listening and chiselling in stone the crap being spewed by HB on the issue. The truth is they don't know why the ball squirts. Below is a albeit a small sample, but the worse 2 of 10 pictures were selected for each sample. All hits are done using absolute zero back and absolute zero forward. Although I get Pub will call me a liar and an idiot again, and everyone will leap to his defense. Great, all I say to that, Great, I have my small circle of friend in this. One who truly believed and wanted to help and leapt many hoops doing so. Before fix   After fix.   Would of been nice sharing this with everyone, had it been that not so many people had made the assumption they were dealing with idiots, and then leapt to the defense of the person essentially calling everyone an idiot. Do you honestly believe we would test this stuff without knowing what the exact result of both a backswing and a forward swing results in. Did you honest believe we were unable to make any swing we wish on demand at least for testing purposes. Answer was obviously a clear and resounding yes. That was so very clear in many of the responses. So, you have 2 idiots now who set out with the intent to help, got bashed, carried on, in spite of the many attempts to derail the exercise, who not only found the problem, but worked hard and found the simplest of solutions. Had people just followed the intent of the thread and not just for whatever reason attempted to steer it off course, and actually tried to help, rather than bash, assume people were stupid, treat them like idiots and talk down to them, refuse to listen to obvious facts and have clear blinders on, by now you would all be enjoying a better game. So you go ahead and listen to HBS, they know best, I'm stupid, Tastegw is stupid as well. This dumb sob is saying, HBS has no clue why the ball squirts, it does not squirt for them in studio, it is not programmed to squirt, it is not now nor was it ever intended by them to have the ball squirt, but yet you all see ball squirt. Hmmm, wonder why that is. Well this dumb ass is signing out yet again. ENJOY YOUR BALL SQUIRT. |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 12:09:32 GMT -5
Steve, what you are failing to realize is I am trying to help as well.
Simply because I have a different view on the issue does not mean I am attacking you.
I was nothing but polite and respectful. That is the nature of discussion in a forum. I can challenge your opinion, without challenging you as a person.
I was firm in my views, as that is what I believe. As you are firm in yours as that is what you believe.
But I never insulted you.
Your first post to me in this thread accused me of 'licking HB's taint', simply because I disagreed with you.
I don't think some people were taking issue with your view, they were taking issue with the way you chose to express it.
Why did you not give Tim the same treatment in his picture analysis as you did to me?
He largely said the exact same things I did.
And I simply cannot accept the idea that anyone can do "anything with the controller".
As the tgctours folks have indicated it is more or less impossible to get more than a handful of perfect swings in a round.
So you have to go on the assumption there is some input error, as small as that might be.
A fraction of a degree on a shot of any length can easily lead to a shot that is offline by the 10-20-30 foot figures people were speaking of in this thread.
And finally, if it is a game bug as was the initial claim, how is it possible to fix it on the user end?
If it's something that can be done on the user end, it is not a game bug.
Surely everyone has to be able to agree on that?
This thread has lead some to realize that backswing path has an effect.
Thus, there is value in the discussion.
Even if ball squirt has nothing to do with backswing path, that is a positive that came about as the result of the discussion.
You keep posting that I have called you a liar and an idiot.
Please show one example where I have said anything even remotely similar to that.
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 4, 2015 12:22:59 GMT -5
If it is due to the backswing, I don't see why a) it is affected by online/offline (GNCD etc) and b) Brighttail was affected by it considerably even when he had the straightest backswing (most likely) due to his modified mouse. It doesn't make sense as an explanation. That is a valid point and I should go out and test this with angle snapping on. One would think that if you are drawing a perfectly straight line then there should be 0 squirt at all. Even with angle snapping on, which is not what I had my mouse originally at, originally i switched the x axis....I can still say there is some ball squirt. I went and played some holes at YUMA, an HB course. It isn't as pronounced as some of the others, but it is still there and it is still random. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:28:45 GMT -5
PUB, See there you go again, I feel like you are treating me like an idiot or a liar or both.
"And I simply cannot accept your claim that you can do "anything with the controller"." So what is that, I'm lying, I'm stupid, or both? TGCtours would be quick to tell you it is very possible to zero axis with any controller, repeatable and consistently. What tgctours is stating, is if you are you are cheating, and they are correct.
Tim did not state essentially we are lying and stupid, you did and continue to do so.
"And finally, if it is a game bug as was the initial claim, how is it possible to fix it on the user end?" How much clearer I need be, I stated "HBS has no clue why the ball squirts, it does not squirt for them in studio, it is not programmed to squirt, it is not now nor was it ever intended by them to have the ball squirt, but yet you all see ball squirt. Hmmm, wonder why that is." So what is it again, I'm lying, stupid or both.
Its not a bug, the game is perfect well almost perfect anyway.
All the facts are there for the finding by anyone, why would it not happen for all but happen for many. It's so freaken obvious. But this lying stupid idiot is not capable, so no use saying anymore.
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Post by fuzion on Mar 4, 2015 12:34:31 GMT -5
All the facts are there for the finding by anyone, why would it not happen for all but happen for many. It's so freaken obvious. Steve, why don't you tell us how we can fix this then? |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 4, 2015 12:35:01 GMT -5
Tastes original post in this thread was done with the intention of gathering data to help HB identify and fix the ball squirt bug.
But you now say it is not a bug.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:37:57 GMT -5
Tastes original post in this thread was done with the intention of gathering data to help HB identify and fix the ball squirt bug. But you now say it is not a bug. Have you done your analysis of the above pictures? Do you see anything there that cause you concerns.? I'd be interesting in hearing that. |
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 4, 2015 12:39:51 GMT -5
Would of been nice sharing this with everyone, had it been that not so many people had made the assumption they were dealing with idiots, and then leapt to the defense of the person essentially calling everyone an idiot. ENJOY YOUR BALL SQUIRT. So you've basically fixed this issue and are now just going to be petty and with-hold the information from anyone else, regardless of their opinion, as to how they might fix it if they encounter it? You're taking your ball and going home... and you wonder why people think this discussion looks like children arguing in a school playground. *shakes head, walks away* |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:44:01 GMT -5
Would of been nice sharing this with everyone, had it been that not so many people had made the assumption they were dealing with idiots, and then leapt to the defense of the person essentially calling everyone an idiot. ENJOY YOUR BALL SQUIRT. So you've basically fixed this issue and are now just going to be petty and with-hold the information from anyone else, regardless of their opinion, as to how they might fix it if they encounter it? You're taking your ball and going home... and you wonder why people think this discussion looks like children arguing in a school playground. *shakes head, walks away* Don't worry you are not the only person to call me a school child in this thread, I heard troll, ass$ole, etc etc etc. What would you have me do after all that, grow a thicker skin maybe. Yeah I think not. I set out with taste with the best intentions and got mashed. No thx, that's not how one attracts bees. |
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