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Post by Brighttail on Apr 14, 2019 22:53:00 GMT -5
Season 8, Episode 1 - Winterfell
In the end I think it was a good episode, only 5 more to go. I loved many of the conversations between the characters who haven't seen each other in many seasons...Especially...
SPOILER ALERT and last one if you are reading.
The end with Bran and Jamie. Jamie pushed Bran out the window in season 1, episode 1, so that has now come full circle. I can't wait to see the conversation had, tho I think Bran is more forgiving and more like Jon and a few others who had their own conversations, Sansa and Tyerion or Jon and Ayra, all have gone through a lot, all of them lived. What happened in the past is and must be in the past for now. They are all alive and changed forever because of those experiences. It is time to move on, band together for the greater good.
Speaking of the greater good. Jon learns from Samwell, that not only did his love interest Daenarys kill Sam's father and brother, but that Jon is the rightful ruler of all the 7 thrones. This throws a wrinkle in the whole Jon bending the knee. Sam asks the perfect question of Jon which was, 'You were willing to give up your throne for the north, Jon. Would she be willing to do the same?" Interesting question. She will have to see proof, Sam has a book that shows it and there are Bran's warg visions but there is also Jon's connection to the dragon. I can't imagine either dragon letting Jon approach them as he does with out them sensing that he has part dragon blood in him. For the good of the alliance, and to finally get the Northerners fully on their side, I can see Danny going along and bending the knee back to Jon. Perhaps they get married in some quick ceremony so they may rule equally. We'll have to see.
Nice to see Bron back but there is no way he is going out to kill Jamie and Tyrion. He may love his gold and place in the south, I think it would be out of character if he threw away that entire friendship with Jamie and even Tyrion who he fought for in the Vale just for the chance Cersei will finally honour her promise with a castle and a Lord's title. As for that, is Cersei really pregnant? We saw her mulling over wine and having a man get her pregnant, later marry him to make it legitimate (someone not Jamie) would lead credibility to her child's future, should they survive.
Theron rescues his sister and she allows him to go back to Winterfold while she hold the Iron fleet and the islands as a fall back point should Winterfell fall and they need a pull back place with access to most of Westeros and King's Landing.
One final thing I think will come up in the future is that technically Tyrion and Sansa are still married. In a new world, should Jamie, Cersei die ( maybe Jon ), that this s marriage may be the foundation for a marriage of convenience and peace between the Starks and Lannisters. What you all think?
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 15, 2019 15:27:32 GMT -5
Theon's sister's idea was a great one, but those dead can just ice over the sea, or they can ride their dragon up to Pyke. LOL
As for Sansa and Tyrion, they aren't married. The marriage was never consumated, and it was stated that this was why Littlefinger was able to marry her off to Ramsay Bolton.
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Post by cliffs on Apr 15, 2019 21:02:47 GMT -5
Incest? Daenarys and Jon - Aunt and nephew.
Here's a thought...if the Night King can ride a dragon, could he be a dead Targaryen?
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 16, 2019 11:55:50 GMT -5
Incest? Daenarys and Jon - Aunt and nephew. Here's a thought...if the Night King can ride a dragon, could he be a dead Targaryen?
Yup, the Targaryens always married/bred with each other, according to the books, to keep the bloodline pure.
WHOAAA!!!! I had never even thought about that, about the Night King being a dead Targaryen! That would explain a lot! What if the Night King is Aerys Targaryen, the mad king that Jaime Lannister killed!!
I just looked it up, and in the pics, there is a striking resemblance of pics of Aerys and the Night King.
my mind has been blown. LOL
EDIT: just thinking about the implications of this. Jaime is in the north now, and ends up killing the mad king/night king. again. wow, wouldnt' that be an ending!
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Post by cliffs on Apr 16, 2019 12:46:25 GMT -5
A rival theory suggest that Arya Stark will kill the undead dragon and its rider.
She has emerged as one of the most powerful women of Westeros, and it’s therefore not hard to see the scriptwriters giving her the job of slaying the Night King. In this season’s debut episode, Arya gave blacksmith-turned dragon glass expert Gendry a sketch of a dragon glass tipped missile she wants him to build for her.
Bringing down a zombie dragon looks like exactly the kind of application this little gadget is designed for.
Plus, when the dragons swooped into Winterfell and everyone else was running around screaming, Arya spent her time coolly surveying them. Was she sizing up their weak spots?
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 16, 2019 14:02:05 GMT -5
A rival theory suggest that Arya Stark will kill the undead dragon and its rider. She has emerged as one of the most powerful women of Westeros, and it’s therefore not hard to see the scriptwriters giving her the job of slaying the Night King. In this season’s debut episode, Arya gave blacksmith-turned dragon glass expert Gendry a sketch of a dragon glass tipped missile she wants him to build for her. Bringing down a zombie dragon looks like exactly the kind of application this little gadget is designed for. Plus, when the dragons swooped into Winterfell and everyone else was running around screaming, Arya spent her time coolly surveying them. Was she sizing up their weak spots? ahhhh, thank you! I couldn't tell exactly what it was on the paper that she handed Gendry. I figured it would be important, some type of weapon she wanted, but was thinking smaller, and didn't see it long enough to figure out what it was.
I loved it when Jon asked her if she had used Needle, and she said, "once or twice..."
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Post by cliffs on Apr 16, 2019 20:38:37 GMT -5
This little ol thing? Spear head and blow gun?  |
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Post by joegolferg on Apr 17, 2019 6:04:55 GMT -5
This little ol thing? Spear head and blow gun? I assumed it was a blow dart. Suits her assassin like skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 6:16:08 GMT -5
This little ol thing? Spear head and blow gun? I assumed it was a blow dart. Suits her assassin like skills. The Fookin Legend of Gin Alley wouldn't approve of such a cowardly distance weapon, he'd go up and slit that fookin night dragon's throat and then fook im til e's dead. Sadly we'll never see that happen as Karl is long gone, thanks a bunch Jon...  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 6:40:05 GMT -5
Incest? Daenarys and Jon - Aunt and nephew. Here's a thought...if the Night King can ride a dragon, could he be a dead Targaryen?
WHOAAA!!!! I had never even thought about that, about the Night King being a dead Targaryen! That would explain a lot! What if the Night King is Aerys Targaryen, the mad king that Jaime Lannister killed!!
I just looked it up, and in the pics, there is a striking resemblance of pics of Aerys and the Night King.
my mind has been blown. LOL
He's definitely not Aerys, the NK's origin was explained before with the Children of the Forest (and it's the same actor in that scene who plays the NK), but I do like the idea of some Targaryen heritage for NK because there have been hints at him sharing Stark heritage too, which would be yet another 'ice and fire' theme manifestation. The explanation of the NK, his background, his motives etc. is the no.1 thing I'm truly excited about for the final season. There's zero chance that Martin wrote the NK as a one-dimensional juggernaut force of evil, he's repeatedly said he hates the idea of black and white portrayal of good & bad guys in fiction. Speaking of Aerys, this is a clip I always go back to, the way the actor booms out "BURN THEM ALL" gave me literal shivers when I first heard it, almost made me crap my pants in fact, and I remember rewinding it to hear it another bunch of times because it was so epic. The quote had been referenced so many times but that was the first time we'd heard Aerys himself say it. That actor had one job, one line, and he absolutely feckin NAILED it  Ha, I see the video description even says "0:28 You're here for that  ", love it |
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Post by cliffs on Apr 22, 2019 5:53:00 GMT -5
Very cryptic:
After Bran noted that Jaime wouldn’t be able to help if Sansa or Dany had him executed, Jaime logically asked if Bran’s pragmatic view would change after this whole nightmare ends. “What about afterwards,” Jaime asked.
To which Bran replied, very cryptically: “How do you know there is an afterwards?”
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More: We find out what the Night King really wants -
Night King just wants a better life, it's why he is leading the Caravan that even has children in it! They should be welcomed with open arms! (tongue in cheek)
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 22, 2019 10:08:41 GMT -5
Though this was one of those 'setup' episodes that they do, it was really cool to see all the interactions of the characters that haven't seen each other in a while, and the resolutions from their last actions.
Danyreas: "...wait..what?" ROFL
Will be interesting to see exactly how Arya uses that weapon, now that we've seen it. I thought it would be either bigger or smaller than that, not in between.
(talking about the one Gendry made, we already saw how she used his other weapon. ROFL )
Anyone else think we are coming up on one of Martin's surprises? You know he likes to pull them at the least expected moment. Seems the time is right for someone that we least expect to die in or just after this battle, and not in a heroic way, more something nondescript.
Also, is it ok to talk about spoilers from the books that have not really been addressed in the show here? Or not?
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 22, 2019 18:04:21 GMT -5
I've always believed that both Danny and Jon cannot both survive. I originally thought that Jon might give himself up as a noble sacrifice to kill the Night King in protection of Danny but after last night, I am wondering if the night king is dispatched, if Danny wouldn't take it upon herself to live up to her family name and off Jon herself to rid any other legitimate claim to the iron throne. If that does happen, would it still be fair or would the viewer still accept Danny sitting on the Iron Throne? Jon has no desire to sit up on the Iron Throne, he doesn't want to be the King. Of course marriage would solve the issue (a secret ceremony?) as both could rule as King and Queen, but would Danny accept that. Her entire life has been in pursuit of one goal. She tells Sansa she put that on hold for her love of Jon but at that point, Jon wasn't a threat to HER throne.
Episode 3 should be fun but I expect no less than 4-6 loved characters dying and most probably Winterfell falling. Perhaps a strategic retreat to the Iron Islands to regroup or some other flight south.
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 22, 2019 21:34:20 GMT -5
Gonna assume it ok to talk about the books, and stuff not in the show yet.
There's still one pretty big thing in the books, *cough*mommastark*cough* that was addressed on the show, but they didn't really let the viewers know thats what it was, and haven't really mentioned it since.
One thing I'm also wondering is how they are going to get that seventh book crammed into this? We know the show is on its last season, and 10 episodes. Right now, they are somewhere in book six. We know that book seven is going to be the return of spring, and set 5 years after book six. We also know that Martin can't write a book without taking at least 1000 pages.
So how are they going to finish book 6, and then cram all of book 7 into 7 more episodes? Hahahah.
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 22, 2019 23:11:43 GMT -5
Gonna assume it ok to talk about the books, and stuff not in the show yet.
There's still one pretty big thing in the books, *cough*mommastark*cough* that was addressed on the show, but they didn't really let the viewers know thats what it was, and haven't really mentioned it since.
One thing I'm also wondering is how they are going to get that seventh book crammed into this? We know the show is on its last season, and 10 episodes. Right now, they are somewhere in book six. We know that book seven is going to be the return of spring, and set 5 years after book six. We also know that Martin can't write a book without taking at least 1000 pages.
So how are they going to finish book 6, and then cram all of book 7 into 7 more episodes? Hahahah.
If you are talking about the Lady Stoneheart... I don't think that storyline is going to hit the TV series. Also this last season is only 6 episodes, not 10. |
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