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Post by cliffs on Apr 25, 2019 7:18:58 GMT -5
This theory is interesting.
According to a new and trending theory about Game of Thrones episode three, Theon Greyjoy will have to kill Bran Stark in the Weirwood forest (where they’ll be waiting for the Night King to take their bait and come searching for Bran the Three-Eyed Raven). And, yes, that’s your cue to throw your head back and curse the heavens.
The theory states that in order for Bran Stark to kill the Night King, Theon (who volunteered to protect the Three-EyedRaven) will have to murder Bran.
But, um, that doesn’t sound like he’d be doing a super good job of protecting him, right? Well, actually, Theon will be helping Bran sacrifice himself for the cause. See, if Bran dies and is reanimated by the Night King’s hand to be a White Walker (with some weird special powers we don’t yet understand, because he’d be a White Walker Three-Eyed Raven combo…), Bran would be unstoppable.
As a White Walker Three-Eyed Raven (stay with us, guys), Bran would be able to finally kill the Night King because it means that BRAN CAN NO LONGER DIE. Since he’s already dead, White Walker Bran can rise up, kill the Night King (or, like, destroy him somehow, since he’s technically already dead, too), end all of the Army of the Dead, and let everyone continue living their lives.
Here's a question...if Bran can see the future, why has he not told anyone the outcome of all of this? Or has he been telling us what he sees but cryptically?
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 25, 2019 7:21:59 GMT -5
Gawd I wish George would write the last 2 books.
couldn't agree with this more!!!
The books are way more enjoyable than the show is, to be honest, I only watch the show to see what happens/ed, especially in case George croaks before he gets the story finished.
Its like @larrymalone was pointing out, but magnified by 10 times. The books offer soooo much more insight; story, and well, they are just better material all around.
I think one of the reasons that the shows feel so rushed after season 6 is that they got to the point where they no longer had the books to draw upon. While they were (albeit loosely) following the books, they at least had the conversations, the actions, etc., already basically written for them. All they had to do was follow quality storytelliing, and make it their own. But once they got passed the point where that was no longer there, now all the sudden they only have a basic plot outline, and THEY have to come up with the actual writing and story to fit it. And instead of great writing, you end up with a hollywood action flick.
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 25, 2019 7:31:15 GMT -5
This theory is interesting. According to a new and trending theory about Game of Thrones episode three, Theon Greyjoy will have to kill Bran Stark in the Weirwood forest (where they’ll be waiting for the Night King to take their bait and come searching for Bran the Three-Eyed Raven). And, yes, that’s your cue to throw your head back and curse the heavens. The theory states that in order for Bran Stark to kill the Night King, Theon (who volunteered to protect the Three-EyedRaven) will have to murder Bran. But, um, that doesn’t sound like he’d be doing a super good job of protecting him, right? Well, actually, Theon will be helping Bran sacrifice himself for the cause. See, if Bran dies and is reanimated by the Night King’s hand to be a White Walker (with some weird special powers we don’t yet understand, because he’d be a White Walker Three-Eyed Raven combo…), Bran would be unstoppable. As a White Walker Three-Eyed Raven (stay with us, guys), Bran would be able to finally kill the Night King because it means that BRAN CAN NO LONGER DIE. Since he’s already dead, White Walker Bran can rise up, kill the Night King (or, like, destroy him somehow, since he’s technically already dead, too), end all of the Army of the Dead, and let everyone continue living their lives. Here's a question...if Bran can see the future, why has he not told anyone the outcome of all of this? Or has he been telling us what he sees but cryptically?
Has it actually been established that Bran can see the future? Or does he just surmise and say vague things about it? We see him seeing the past, but has it actually ever shown him seeing the future? Maybe he can't see into the future, just into what has already happened.
Does this theory say that Bran will basically ask Theon to help him by killing him? One thing I've thought of, after this is all over, if Theon and Sansa survives, if they marry and cement the relationship between the north and the Ironborn. They went through a lot together, and I thought I saw them making goo goo eyes to each other. Only problem would be, Theon can't produce an heir.
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Post by cliffs on Apr 25, 2019 8:40:49 GMT -5
This theory is interesting. According to a new and trending theory about Game of Thrones episode three, Theon Greyjoy will have to kill Bran Stark in the Weirwood forest (where they’ll be waiting for the Night King to take their bait and come searching for Bran the Three-Eyed Raven). And, yes, that’s your cue to throw your head back and curse the heavens. The theory states that in order for Bran Stark to kill the Night King, Theon (who volunteered to protect the Three-EyedRaven) will have to murder Bran. But, um, that doesn’t sound like he’d be doing a super good job of protecting him, right? Well, actually, Theon will be helping Bran sacrifice himself for the cause. See, if Bran dies and is reanimated by the Night King’s hand to be a White Walker (with some weird special powers we don’t yet understand, because he’d be a White Walker Three-Eyed Raven combo…), Bran would be unstoppable. As a White Walker Three-Eyed Raven (stay with us, guys), Bran would be able to finally kill the Night King because it means that BRAN CAN NO LONGER DIE. Since he’s already dead, White Walker Bran can rise up, kill the Night King (or, like, destroy him somehow, since he’s technically already dead, too), end all of the Army of the Dead, and let everyone continue living their lives. Here's a question...if Bran can see the future, why has he not told anyone the outcome of all of this? Or has he been telling us what he sees but cryptically?
Has it actually been established that Bran can see the future? Or does he just surmise and say vague things about it? We see him seeing the past, but has it actually ever shown him seeing the future? Maybe he can't see into the future, just into what has already happened.
Does this theory say that Bran will basically ask Theon to help him by killing him? One thing I've thought of, after this is all over, if Theon and Sansa survives, if they marry and cement the relationship between the north and the Ironborn. They went through a lot together, and I thought I saw them making goo goo eyes to each other. Only problem would be, Theon can't produce an heir.
I thought I read that Bran cannot see the future. If he can wouldn't all of this preparation be for naught if he knows who is going to die? As for that union...would really only matter if the show were to go on but alas, tis the end of times. |
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Post by cliffs on Apr 25, 2019 19:02:14 GMT -5
Love the theories
We've long theorized that the NK will skip this battle, and that instead he'll march south to bypass Winterfell and Dany's dragons and armies (which would result in a swift defeat) to hit up Cersei. Why King's Landing? The Night King could potentially gain a million more foot soldiers by turning all the tightly packed and unprotected citizens of the capital into wights.
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 25, 2019 20:19:25 GMT -5
Love the theories We've long theorized that the NK will skip this battle, and that instead he'll march south to bypass Winterfell and Dany's dragons and armies (which would result in a swift defeat) to hit up Cersei. Why King's Landing? The Night King could potentially gain a million more foot soldiers by turning all the tightly packed and unprotected citizens of the capital into wights. I don't know how many people the Night King can effectively turn into soldiers. It seems only the live babes given to him can be White Walkers and only he and those White Walkers can turn people into foot solders. I'm going to say the Night King will show up in Sunday's episode but not in the way Jon and Bran are thinking. The Night King doesn't care about King's Landing in particular or Cersei. If the Night King wanted that, he could have completely gone around Winterfell and headed south through the wilderness, it isn't like he has to take the King's Road.
So I think he realizes his biggest threat to his army is at Winterfell. Dragons, dragonglass, Valerian Steel and the three-eyed raven. I am going to assume he is going to attempt to zerg the crap out of our heroes and why not? That strategy has worked every other time. Still I think the Night King isn't showing all his cards....yet.
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 26, 2019 7:43:47 GMT -5
You know, several theories out there seem to say that the three eyed raven and the NK are basically the same, from the same origins or whatever.
What if 3ER/Bran can also awaken the dead, and HE is the one that wakes up the dead Starks hand has them join the fight for his side?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 7:53:50 GMT -5
What if 3ER/Bran can also awaken the dead, and HE is the one that wakes up the dead Starks hand has them join the fight for his side?
Man you have no idea how much I would love to see a zombie Ned Stark!  |
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 26, 2019 11:57:39 GMT -5
Would Ned Stark be carrying his head in his hands then?
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 28, 2019 22:53:52 GMT -5
So lets do a little game of who do you think is or is not going to die in the Battle of Winterfell. This is only for Episode 3, not for the rest of the season. Here is my list of those that survive or die in Episode 3.
Jon Snow - I think he remains alive as long as the Night King lives, after that. Alive (to at least have that talk with Danny again)
Danny - She needs to see the Iron Throne at least. - Alive Sansa Stark - Whether Winterfell survives or falls, a Stark must be there to run/rebuild. - Alive Bran Stark - If he dies, so does the memory of all men. I'm torn on this one because killing him would be so GOT. - Alive Arya Stark - Her list of people to kill is who she is, there are still people on that list. She goes to King's Landing. - Alive Jamie Lannister - I think he has to live to at least see Bronn & more likely to see his sister. - Alive Tyrion Lannister - Killing him before the finale would seem pointless. -Alive Cersei Lannister/The Mountain/Euron Greyjoy/Qyburn- They aren't even at Winterfell. - Alive Brienne of Tarth - Now knighted, she has achieved everything she has wanted. I think she dies defending her last charge. -DEAD - Not yet
Theon Greyjoy - Redemption by defending WInterfell, even unto his death. - DEAD Sam, Gilly, Little Sam Tarley - All will survive the battle. Someone needs to record and write the story of Fire & Ice. - Alive Davos Seaworth - Knights rarely get to grow old. He's already old. This is a sentimental pick. He survives this battle. - Alive Varys - Prophecy says he will die but I don't think it will be here. He can still be useful in King's Landing. - Alive Jorah Mormont - His only desire is to see Danny succeed, sadly I think this is his final battle. He'll be forgiven by Lyanna. - DEAD Melisandre - She isn't here but that doesn't mean she won't be. If she shows up, she dies. - Dead if shows up The Hound - He has unfinished business with his brother. We won't be cheated of that. - Alive Bronn - Him getting to Winterfell so quickly after being in King's Landing seems really far fetched. - Alive Tormund Giantsbane - The Freefolk still needs a leader, no one else has stepped up. - Alive Gendry - His job is done. No more smithing of Dragonglass needed. He also slept with Arya. His arc is over. - Dead - Not yet!
Yara Greyjob - She isn't here but she may end up providing ships for a way to escape the undead. - Alive Greyworm - Just has professed his love & future plans with Missandei. An unfortunate series sees him - Dead - Not yet
Missandei - A tough one especially if Greyworm dies. I'm going to go with a tragic love ending. - Dead - Not yet
Beric Dondarrion - This guy has died so many times, what is one more? Perhaps he uses his last live to raise another? - Dead Podrick Payne - The Squire of the newest knight. The student needs to go forth and be the master & train others. - Alive Lyanna Mormont - The only way I see Jorah living is if she dies & he can take her place. One of the Mormonts live, which? - DEAD
Eddison Toilett - Last of 3 of the Night Watch group we started with. His watch ends. - Dead
Well I thought there would be more dead than there were. I got the 6 that died and 3 haven't died. Yet. Interesting episode. Honestly I'm okay with the Night King being dead this episode. This is Game of Thrones and the whole "winter is coming and the dead are coming" was a good storyline but it nearly overtook the original and main theme, which is and always was the quest for the Iron Throne. With the Whitewalkers gone, I'm glad we have 3 full episodes to resolve the final question of who will sit a top the Iron Throne? We'll sort out who lives and dies later.  |
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Post by gamesdecent on Apr 28, 2019 23:26:35 GMT -5
Naw. No way the books make Cersei at King’s Landing the final battle lmao. Just abysmal writing after the source material finished.
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 29, 2019 7:56:21 GMT -5
Naw. No way the books make Cersei at King’s Landing the final battle lmao. Just abysmal writing after the source material finished.
I'm not even sure what you mean by this. LOL
I agree with Brighttail In the books, it was all about who sits on the Iron Throne. I mean, look at the title. LOL The whitewalkers/NK was just the opening, and side story, not the source of material. The source was and has always been the Game of Thrones - Lannisters vs. Starks vs. Targaryens vs. Greyjoys vs. Baratheons vs. Tyrells vs. Freys/Tullys, also, to an extent. Either you win or you die. With Starks, Lannisters and Targaryens still out there, the source material is every bit still there. |
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Post by gamesdecent on Apr 29, 2019 9:40:01 GMT -5
Naw. No way the books make Cersei at King’s Landing the final battle lmao. Just abysmal writing after the source material finished.
I'm not even sure what you mean by this. LOL
I agree with Brighttail In the books, it was all about who sits on the Iron Throne. I mean, look at the title. LOL The whitewalkers/NK was just the opening, and side story, not the source of material. The source was and has always been the Game of Thrones - Lannisters vs. Starks vs. Targaryens vs. Greyjoys vs. Baratheons vs. Tyrells vs. Freys/Tullys, also, to an extent. Either you win or you die. With Starks, Lannisters and Targaryens still out there, the source material is every bit still there. It's not though. The prologue of the series opens with the Others, same as the opening scene of the show. The epilogue/final battle should tie back to that. The point of the series is that the politics and scheming and wars and who sits the throne isn't going to matter once the Long Night comes. The characters and plotline of the show have become parodies of themselves since it passed the books and there was no more source material to pull from. |
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Post by JosiaDB on Apr 29, 2019 9:59:47 GMT -5
It's not though. The prologue of the series opens with the Others, same as the opening scene of the show. The epilogue/final battle should tie back to that. The point of the series is that the politics and scheming and wars and who sits the throne isn't going to matter once the Long Night comes. The characters and plotline of the show have become parodies of themselves since it passed the books and there was no more source material to pull from.
Ah, gotcha, I see your point.
Martin's original vision of the books was, the prologue, 5 books, and an epilogue, which was set after the long night was over.
This has turned into 7 books, and a whole 8th book (Dream of Spring) which was the original epilogue.
This is what I've been referring to earlier in this thread. I'm wondering how they are going to treat that in the show, if they are going to pull a Gotham and make the last one "10 years later" or something. Because the Long Night (Winter) is supposed to last years.
I 100% agree with your last statement there.
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Post by gamesdecent on Apr 29, 2019 10:08:35 GMT -5
The best way the show could've gone at this point, in my opinion, would be for the battle at Winterfell to happen, but the Night King not be there to take the bait. Instead he flies to King's Landing, makes Cersei's decision to not help fight the dead actually have consequences, but let her somehow finagle her way into "surviving" by letting him turn her into the Night Queen (which is actually more prevalent in the books than a Night King anyways), kind of proving that she only wants to rule no matter what it costs her. It's the perfect end to her character arc, selling her soul to stay in power.
THEN do the final battle at Winterfell, Arya can kill Cersei to finish off her list, and I don't even mind her being the one to kill the NK. But not having Jon and the NK (or ANY of the white walkers) at least fight in this final battle was a huge mistake, it was essentially a zombie movie with a few minutes of dragons. You could've still had him raise the dead around Jon to escape the fight and try and get to Bran, but the way we got it - Jon didn't learn anything from his battle with Ramsay. He charged in like an idiot and was bailed out AGAIN out of nowhere at the last second and didn't have to face any consequence for his stupidity. It's been a recurring thing for the past 2-3 seasons once the show passed the books. It used to be - trust the wrong person - get your head chopped off. Renege on your marriage proposal and marry someone different - get your family slaughtered at your wedding party.
Stuff like that doesn't happen anymore because the writers are too worried about fan service.
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