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Post by gotku on Nov 14, 2018 6:59:28 GMT -5
This announcement has devastated me! I am in CC-Z and struggle even there. I play with a mouse and beginner clubs are my only chance of vague respectability. I have tried to use Pro Clubs with disastrous results. I have virtually no control over tempo and spend more time in deep rough and water then is acceptable, when using them. When I was classified as Z, I accepted that and thought 'at least I don't have to worry about relegation'. However I was wrong! I am sure there are sandbaggers in CC-Z using Beginner Clubs judging by the scores at the top, and this has to be addressed, but it seems as if the genuine Zedders like myself that don't have any choice other than beginner clubs, have been cast aside to suffer derision in the forums. eg the huggies remark. The choice is a hard one, but I have to accept that after 4 years playing TGC in it's various forms, I am now destined to be classified as a "beginner". I suppose it will teach me humility, but I feel as if I am headed for the "TGCT Care Home" You should consider may be to try to play with a controller?
This mouse thing on PC is quiet disturbing, I know many struggle, but on the other hand I have friends playing with mouses on PC with master club and they have no problem, and many of the top PC players use a mouse.
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Post by rhino4life on Nov 14, 2018 7:16:42 GMT -5
Interesting changes. I liked. I am a master club user. My goal is to upload to WEB - so I'll use PRO to get there. I think it will be faster that way. My trainings are with the master and my greatest difficulty is time. With pro, will facilitate a little. For those who want to climb faster, goodbye MASTER. If using the MASTER in the CCA would bring some benefit, I would even rethink. The above post is likely the same attitude others will take which is why i feel badly for the admin group trying to legislate things and Masters club users in CC. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 7:18:58 GMT -5
This announcement has devastated me! I am in CC-Z and struggle even there. I play with a mouse and beginner clubs are my only chance of vague respectability. I have tried to use Pro Clubs with disastrous results. I have virtually no control over tempo and spend more time in deep rough and water then is acceptable, when using them. When I was classified as Z, I accepted that and thought 'at least I don't have to worry about relegation'. However I was wrong! I am sure there are sandbaggers in CC-Z using Beginner Clubs judging by the scores at the top, and this has to be addressed, but it seems as if the genuine Zedders like myself that don't have any choice other than beginner clubs, have been cast aside to suffer derision in the forums. eg the huggies remark. The choice is a hard one, but I have to accept that after 4 years playing TGC in it's various forms, I am now destined to be classified as a "beginner". I suppose it will teach me humility, but I feel as if I am headed for the "TGCT Care Home" Apologies for my LPGA comment if you’re offended. I don’t think anyone takes it terribly seriously. If people judge others based on their proficiency moving a stick back and forward, then maybe they are the one with the problem. Own it bro. The admins have made a league so you guys can compete without anyone else feeling ripped off. I’d be pushing for a seperate WGR for you guys, call it amateur or LPGA or whatever. |
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Post by rhino4life on Nov 14, 2018 7:30:09 GMT -5
Players who are too good for CC-A either because they're more skilled, or because they use Pro Clubs will no longer be allowed to stick around for easy wins. That should clear up some of the logjam. Another stipulation is that you only earn demotion marks in Web.com if you finish the event (2 rounds, miss cut) using Master Clubs. No matter where this restriction is placed, you run into the same problem. Make CC-A Master-Club-Mandatory and you could say the same about CC-B. As Tim explained, it was less confusing and less work to make the Club distinction at Web.com. Time will tell. There will be those who earn Web promos off Pro Club play, do the 3 weeks of demotions, and return to CC-A. Meanwhile, there will be a whole gaggle of new pro club folks knocking on the door to replace the ones coming back. I'm sure this will be reviewed or looked at later...i just sucks they even have to. |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 14, 2018 8:05:17 GMT -5
Most of the things I wanted see addressed were. I still will lobby that CC-Pro should be locked to Master clubs as well. Really no incentive to stick with Masters in CC now. Pros play so much easier in my opinion, about a 4-5 stroke difference per round.
I'm glad my question was answered by Tim during the live stream even if I worded it poorly. I like the idea that the option is there for someone to re-enter Q-School if they so choose. I understand the reasoning for the penalty of having to do time on The Huggies Tour if you choose to hand in your regular tour card.
Changes are good, some still could be made
Overall Thumbs up
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Post by mde8965 on Nov 14, 2018 8:19:27 GMT -5
Good job admins. But maybe I do agree try and find a slightly better name for the new tour using beginner clubs.
I thought the system worked in TGC2 where you MUST use tour clubs in World Tour and PGA. Given the larger disparity in TGC19 difficulty levels between clubs I think it’s the right thing to do to require Master only from Web on up.
When I was in Euro in TGC2 I would alternate between Tour and Regular clubs depending on length or obstacles in the course. But playing in Euro I also knew if I got promoted I would have to use Tour clubs. So I spent practice time with tour and mastered them enough to make the eventual promotion to PGA stick. In fact during that time my game and swing technique improved leaps and bounds.
If I were in CC-A I would employ a similar strategy. Long courses with wider fairways and less obstacles use Master clubs. Shorter courses with lots of ways to find trouble, use Pro clubs. But practice time would be spent figuring out how to score with Masters. I used to use RRCC society to gauge my progress against a lot of the heavier hitters.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Nov 14, 2018 8:22:28 GMT -5
Still learning the ropes and finding my way around so forgive me if this is out of turn but wouldn't it make sense for CC-A to be Masters only as this should be seen as the proving ground for the big tours? That would leave Pro open up to CC-B but then force a use of Masters for the final push to the elite tours to prove you were ready for them and deserving of a place. Seems logical to me but sure there's a reason it's not implemented and I'll be put back in my box! (Pro player atm residing probably above my level in CC-E).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 8:32:10 GMT -5
Is any thought being given to XBox masters players taking a voluntary step back a tour? I realise we ended up where we did based on what we shot and nothing’s changed, just figured I’d throw it out there while you’re not very busy 😉
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Post by jarednich on Nov 14, 2018 8:33:56 GMT -5
These changes make a lot of sense, at least to me. The players using beginner clubs can use that new tour to compete fairly, and hopefully as they get more experience they will give CC a try using the Pro set. The turnaround time on this is really great, I know some coding is probably required in order to implement the changes, so thanks Tim, Doyley, and SmilingGoats for this. Well, maybe not Jeff, he's just the pretty face of the admins after all... |
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gotku
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Post by gotku on Nov 14, 2018 8:33:57 GMT -5
Interesting changes. I liked. I am a master club user. My goal is to upload to WEB - so I'll use PRO to get there. I think it will be faster that way. My trainings are with the master and my greatest difficulty is time. With pro, will facilitate a little. For those who want to climb faster, goodbye MASTER. If using the MASTER in the CCA would bring some benefit, I would even rethink. The above post is likely the same attitude others will take which is why i feel badly for the admin group trying to legislate things and Masters club users in CC. To be honest, I will probably switch back pro when the new rule kick.
I am a CC-A player. i wish I was good enought with master to play the Q-School, but I was not, I started the franchise this year. So I did it with Pro club. Since I am in CC-A I play with masters, I re-work my swing (change of thumb), I am getting better, I probably might earn my first promotion mark this week (shot -46), but at my skills level, I am shooting better with Pro, no question. The extra distance do not compensate for the amount of time bad tempo mess my shots, specially for the short game (pitches shots are terrifying).
But I like the competition, so I will want to go the higher possible on the division ladder. Last week event on CC-A, even if you remove beginner users, only one master user was in the Top 20. So to maximize my chance to get promoted, within the rules, the logical move would be to play with Pro clubs, but it is just a shame it has to be like this.
Why should I struggle with Master, wanting to trow my controller into my TV with so many tempo issues, when other can get promoted playing with pro clubs, in a less stressfull and difficult way (and FASTER way to get promoted)?
It is not I do not want to get better with master, I will keep practicing with them, and if I earn my promotion to WEB, I will be happy to switch back with master, and try to get higher in the ranking.
Anyway, I know it is not easy for the admins to find the perfect way, I cannot be thankfull enought for the work they do and this amazing site. All the changes annonces today are great for everybody but master users in CC-A, and I am one of them, so just sharing my thoughts.
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Post by andybarrell on Nov 14, 2018 8:40:45 GMT -5
Is any thought being given to XBox masters players taking a voluntary step back a tour? I realise we ended up where we did based on what we shot and nothing’s changed, just figured I’d throw it out there while you’re not very busy 😉 Yup Join the beginners tour and stay 4 weeks, redo Q-SCHOOL and get the tour you want |
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Post by hudsobrya on Nov 14, 2018 8:46:24 GMT -5
Great changes!
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Post by ErixonStone on Nov 14, 2018 9:42:22 GMT -5
Still learning the ropes and finding my way around so forgive me if this is out of turn but wouldn't it make sense for CC-A to be Masters only as this should be seen as the proving ground for the big tours? Under this scenario, you could make the same argument about CC-B: why not have CC-B be all Masters so that CC-B becomes the proving ground. Tim explained on the stream that it was easier and less confusing to draw the line of demarcation at Web.com. All of CC can use Pro or Master; Web, Euro and PGA have to use Master. It's very easy to explain and remember. Tim was originally on board with your idea, but the group discussed all the scenarios and came up with what they thought would be the best for everyone. |
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Post by lessangster on Nov 14, 2018 10:05:25 GMT -5
So how do promotions from this beginner tour work or can't someone get promoted off it? No promotions out of the Beginners tour. If you're a new player and you elect to start in the Beginners tour, you can leave at any time by registering for and playing the weekly Q-School event. If you move there after already having had a regular tour card, you have to wait a certain number of weeks before playing Q-School. How do you sign up for the beginners tour, asking for a mate of mine that plays on the tours but isn’t on the forum. He likes playing the golf but has lots of other games he spends time on as well so prefers the beginner clubs |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Nov 14, 2018 10:06:58 GMT -5
Still learning the ropes and finding my way around so forgive me if this is out of turn but wouldn't it make sense for CC-A to be Masters only as this should be seen as the proving ground for the big tours? Under this scenario, you could make the same argument about CC-B: why not have CC-B be all Masters so that CC-B becomes the proving ground. Tim explained on the stream that it was easier and less confusing to draw the line of demarcation at Web.com. All of CC can use Pro or Master; Web, Euro and PGA have to use Master. It's very easy to explain and remember. Tim was originally on board with your idea, but the group discussed all the scenarios and came up with what they thought would be the best for everyone. And I'm happy to go along with that. I can see the point. Was just the first thing that came into my head. Doubt I'll be troubling those on CC-A, PGA, Euro or Web anyway ever! lol Impossible to please everyone! |
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