Why are we playing easy courses?

[bilko57]

For those of you wishing to play a tournament that is harder, there is one produced every week in these forums by j3y7e9, his no grid events. Please leave these tournaments alone and exactly as they are. I'm sick of hearing it's not like golf in real life. It never will be its a VIDEO GAME. Where good players will always do well, no matter how hard you make it. If you start making these tours really hard every week,people will leave in their droves. As it stands there is something for everyone. I don't care what score finally ends up winning. At the moment these tours are enjoyable. Make them hard every week like that Jibba Jabba course and it won't be. And here's a novel thought, if you want something that plays like real golf in the real world, try picking up your clubs and going out for a proper round with your mates, I believe it's just like the real thing

[fondername0]

Not the courses fault. The game is too easy. Penalties for missing the sweet spot need to be bigger with more yardage penalty attached. A 7 foot putt on this game is like a 2 footer in real life. Long irons on his game go straight with ease like a wedge or 9 iron in real life.

The courses end up being putting contests.

When I totally miss the sweet spot and the commentator says "Bit of a dirty swing" or whatever and then the ball is till in the fairway 290+ yards from the tee, there is a problem with the difficulty of the game in general.

In real life if you see water down the left side of a hole you feel a little anxiety, fear, etc. In this game you just blast away.

Designers could shrink the fairways way down but then you loose the realism.   I think 1 way to make it harder is to make everything very firm where the ball releases after it hits.  But then again, you loose realism..every week should not be "US Open" firm

[RHMIII]

Wanted to say that I really enjoy the game and the tour so far. I still wonder though how guys that are on the Champions Tour that couldn't break +40 for six rounds are now shooting 50's and 60's on a consistent basis. I must have missed the memo!
Fairways and Greens to all!

[Deleted]

Play Whitby Shores, Only white tees now, I can only release a later version after the judging is complete. but think of it blue tees. Trouble is most designers are designing them easy to get the plays and the rating. Whitby shores is beating up on people and its not that long and only medium firmness. It requires some course management and good putting that's all that's tricked about it. Not every hole is a mile long either.

The next version will have some stuff fixed as well, but you will get an idea, I don't think it's ready for prime time, but the next version will be with the fixes and the slightly longer tees.

[jimgem]

Jan 25, 2015 23:43:30 GMT -5 hans said:

Jan 25, 2015 23:38:30 GMT -5 gringoinacaddy said:

The tournaments in real life, the guys dont post -57 to win a tourney. Theres plenty of tough courses out there that we should play rather than courses that produce 50 something every round these guys play. I dont know what we find fun in shooting that low on a course cause its so easy.

agree 1000 percent...

Its HB that sucks they have made iron chipping flopping and driving too easy and consistent..

The courses and course creator is good i think its the game that is way too easy with said clubs and you get too accurate information and your skill with the analogue swing dosent matter..

I fail to see that people cant see this its beyond me..

I dont understand why HB made this game like this?

Its a game can't people get that,I also wouldn't be able to go and jump in a formula 1 car and win the chamionship in real life, but i can in a game even in sim mode.i dont mind scout cam off but ive played a few times with grids off,yes i can play it, but its boring as hell takes ages sod doing 4 rounds that way,wind off is just stupidity in real life you can tell how the wind will affect the ball.You will have alot of people leaving if they start that sh%$.

[Deleted]

At the end of the day it's a game and everyone can play the same way yet they decide to debate for hours on end. I don't see why people need to do this.

[bruce]

I was a bit interested in this as well, actually making the PGA tour as well. But the courses so far have been average courses, maybe a bit on the easy side. easier than the Q-School courses thats for sure. But those same tough courses were there to weed out the inconsistant player more than anything. I think somewhere during the school they said this along with the fact these courses would be tougher than what we would find on tour.
 I by no means would call the game easy. If I see water I stay well away from it. I see bunkers the same thing, thats If the ball goes where I want it to. Thats one thing this game does well. It makes you think you could hit the ball 260 yards. But its the second shot and putting and chipping that get you to the top of the leaderboard.
 Its funny but on a good day in real golf, I'd be lucky to hit it over 200 yards. I use to envy those who could hit it over 250. I use to play with friends and I was always well short of everyone else, but get me near the greens, and I could make up for some of that. But I always dreaded par 5's, seems like it was more like a par 7! I hit it everywhere too all over the place; bunkers, ponds, woods, tall grass,cart paths, roads, cars, even hit the clubhouse a few times. Hey I know I'm a hacker, but theres one thing that going all over the place teaches you, and thats different types of shots. So you get lots of practice, and you get pretty good at scrambling.
 When I started TGC it wasn't that hard to hit it far, not always in the right direction, but it got some good air time, and the worms for once took a sigh of relief. But after the long shot I still would end up who knows where. Lots of bunkers and those are tough, especially without any feel, but at least you can get it on the green and hope. Long putts are hard to judge, especially with no green grids far away. But with practice I'm getting better. At least I can hit a fairway now and then!

[Painmantle]

First place is first place, doesn't matter if it's a 55 or a 75, the guy with the fewest strokes wins. This type of thread shouldn't even exist 4 weeks into this thing, or really at all for that matter. If your looking for PGA scores I recommend watching The Waste Management Phoenix Open, It starts on Thursday

[gringoinacaddy]

I dont think taking away the games capabilities is the answer, theres plenty of tough courses on this game that will never have a -16 or better shot on. Im not the best at the game but you can see from my earlier statements, I dont find tourneys enjoyable if a bunch of people are putting up crazy low scores. Like the course we play this week in the PGA event, no telling what final after 4 rounds will be in that. -58 is my guess and thats just not my style, I shot 57 on it and Im not even that good.

[Painmantle]

Lets face it, the people playing this game are "That good" Your not going to stop the crazy scores, it's a lot easier this hit the virtual ball straight than it is a real one. It doesn't matter what TGCTours does or what courses they schedule someone will complain, it's too easy for some, too hard for others, some people love seeing all the low scores and some (Like the OP of this thread) Hate low scores. It is impossible to keep everyone happy.

I'm in the Champions tour (and finished DEAD LAST my first Tournament) and a guy shot a 56 in the first round this week, instead of complaining I just think to myself, damn that guy is good, bet he'll be in the Web.com tour soon! I for one choose to accept the fact that this isn't "real" and it is what it is, and to enjoy it for what it is, a Game, Doesn't matter who wants to call it a simulation, it isn't, it is a game and it will never truly reflect PGA scoring because the guys at the top are "That good" at playing this game!

[gringoinacaddy]

The whole purpose of this thread was the courses are to easy, yal are still rambling about the game and whatever else. I can promise you I could pick a course and the leader after 4 rounds wont be nowhere close to -55. I didnt say I wanted a real game or complained about anything else. I just stated that big fairways and tap in birdies every hole dont really get my blood pumping. On these easy courses if u mess up and shoot a 63 or something you might miss the cut. Like I said I shot 57 and Im not even that good, so im definitly not complaining cause I cant shoot low. Its the fact that I would never play these courses on my own if just seaching for a round on the game.

[Deleted]

Great discussion. I'm thankful we have such a large diverse group of opinions. I know we've got some real golfers here, but I'm a former Golf pro and I've played in plenty of real life events and even competed in a few tour events. First off, the majority of courses the real tour plays, excluding Augusta, have relatively benign greens. Since all the players are super talented, the winners are the best putters. You don't see the slopes we have in TGC game especially around the hole. Never will you see a 5' putt with a foot of break. The obvious variable to real life is swing repetition. Both Greg Normal and Johnny Miller used to get yardages from their caddies in the HALF yard. They were that good at judging distance control. There will always be top players in real life like Tiger, Rory, etc. and no different in this game. I am sure that the majority of average to above average players have not logged a fraction of the time played in this game as the top players. I've seen my game improve and I can shoot fairly low with low winds, but not when the wind blows. I can score on the easier courses, but not the harder ones. The best players score well in all conditions. I've played with plenty real life tour players in windy conditions and they strike the ball so pure the wind barely affects the shot. (They actually slow their swing down and take more club to reduce spin....and it's amazing to watch).

For those calling for harder courses, you will still lose to the same players, and they will actually beat you by more in harder conditions because you will shoot higher. I for one would rather shoot 65 and enjoy my round losing by 8 then shooting 75 losing by 8. This game allows you to make lots of birdies if you execute. I ask all the players here.....if you have birdied one hole, can't you birdie all of the holes? Anika Sorrenstam believed her round was only perfect if she had birdied every hole and she still thinks someone can do it in real life. It's much easier in TGC, and you and I have a chance to do that. Just practice and play the with the ghosts of the best players.

Don't make this harder. The best players will eventually get to the top tours and tours will have better balance. It just takes some time and we are only 4 weeks in.

[schatuk]

Jan 26, 2015 13:46:22 GMT -5 gringoinacaddy said:

Its the fact that I would never play these courses on my own if just seaching for a round on the game.

It might amaze you to learn that you aren't the only player on the Tour.

Job explained at great depth a couple of pages back, the philosophy behind course selection and how it might change going forward, I suggest you go back and read it.

[gringoinacaddy]

Again I dont give a damn about winning, im not posting a sob story about that. I just felt like we are mostly grown in here from what I can tell and the course's just seem like childs play.

[gringoinacaddy]

Yea im pretty sure the headline of this thread was a QUESTION! He answered it and I agree with him. I have nothing negative to say about his answer. I was only defending my statement to all the other pointless comments.