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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 13:14:11 GMT -5
Leave it to me to see the earlier post and go test that theory out, re-loading does squat that I can see, but waiting a bunch of hours would. I believe what he means, close it and comeback much later when the wind dies down.
When the money list becomes real money, feel free to tell me when, where, what time, how long, with who, play with one hand behind your back, on one foot, with a baseball bat, whistle dixie and close your eyes. But while I play in any wind at anytime, life gets in the way, so does boredom and I usually just do whatever I want when I want, many people died to give me that right.
Totally agree with you,I played the Oxfordshire last year in the strongest winds I have ever witnessed, had to hold umbrella sideways as freezing cold rain was coming at me horizontally  , also strong wind can affect putts( but not in this game). The Oxfordshire is a very open course as are many links courses and play very tough in hard conditions. We were playing in a golf society so we couldn't sit it out and play the next day, everyone had to play the same course with the same conditions, it a shame its not the case on this game |
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Post by classicphil on Jan 23, 2015 13:15:50 GMT -5
Or you could, as would be the case in real life, simply not allow practice rounds on the tournament course when the tournament is open. I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure PGA pros in real life aren't able to do that.... Bit of a dissenting opinion here, but: - in a real golf tournament people have the opportunity to hit the driving range to see what the wind is doing and practice shots with that days wind (admittedly they do not have the option of saying, "geez, it's windy today, I'm going to move my tournament tee time to tomorrow") - they also have the opportunity to hit the practice green to groove their putting stroke to that courses green speeds. Since we don't have the luxury of driving ranges and putting greens, I don't see how playing a practice round on the tournament course before play is that out of line. Typically, I play the heck out of a course leading up to the tournament... and then I play my four rounds back to back to back to back, so this has been a non-factor. But I've found doing that that I can start to get sloppy, so I was thinking of going two rounds... taking a break, and coming back the next day to play my next two. Now, before I teed it up in round 3, I would think that I would want to 'warm up' on the course. I wouldn't want to play a different course that might have entirely different conditions (fairway/green speeds) as that could mess me up. I truly don't see that approach as being out of line. Again, without a driving range or practice green attached to that course, I see what I've suggested as 'simulating' that. I've never once bailed on a round due to the wind... I play the wind I've got. That's why I play so many practice rounds, as I want to have an idea for any type of wind I might see. But I think allowing the player to 'warm up' is fair. And on the course seems the most reasonable option available to us. If Tim says that they would prefer we didn't play a practice round on the course once we have played our first tournament round, I would adjust of course and wouldn't do it. It is golf, and there is a big element of the honour system. But without a policy like that in place, I think it's fair game. But what your suggesting and describing isn't possible as is. If you go and play a warm up round on the same course that the tournament is on, the wind conditions and such are going to be different than your tournament round (as far as I understand the game mechanics). So not allowing people to play practice rounds on the same course as the current tournament course in order to police those who quit frequently in an effort to get favorable wind conditions would be reasonable in my mind, as you could simply warm up on another course (practice holes, which exist in real life) or on a driving range/putting green course. I think a policy like that should be in place in the event that we can get the API's so that wind avoidance can be policed - to me this is a far more pressing issue, one that is far more of a glitch or akin to cheating, than chipping on greens.
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Post by Wildrover on Jan 23, 2015 13:20:05 GMT -5
Thank You. Common sense. Too bad you actually had to write it down. well said!!short n sweet!!fair play to tgctours for acting quickly on this and trying to make the tours across the board as fair for everyone as possible!! Chipping on a green is as unnatural as taking a putter out of the bunker!!.yes some will still chip on a green when they feel they have no other option as tgc haven't completely banned it but in my eyes if that occurs its nobody's fault but yours for playin a bad approach n u should have to still putt even if it means a possible 3 putt or more!!that being said the rules of golf unfortunately don't prohibit chipping on a green completely so that is why I reluctantly understand tgctours decision to do adopt similar polices...well done again tgctours for this announcement.. at least you's are trying to restrict chipping on greens to a large degree and that can only be a positive thing for tgctours as a whole. |
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Post by schatuk on Jan 23, 2015 13:20:24 GMT -5
Or you could, as would be the case in real life, simply not allow practice rounds on the tournament course when the tournament is open. I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure PGA pros in real life aren't able to do that.... Typically, I play the heck out of a course leading up to the tournament... and then I play my four rounds back to back to back to back, so this has been a non-factor. But I've found doing that that I can start to get sloppy, so I was thinking of going two rounds... taking a break, and coming back the next day to play my next two. Now, before I teed it up in round 3, I would think that I would want to 'warm up' on the course. I wouldn't want to play a different course that might have entirely different conditions (fairway/green speeds) as that could mess me up. I truly don't see that approach as being out of line. Again, without a driving range or practice green attached to that course, I see what I've suggested as 'simulating' that. That's what I've taken to doing for the exact reason you have alluded to - after about 2.5 - 3 rounds my timing starts drifting and I get sloppy. So what I do is Before event: practice, practice, practice. At least 4 rounds, preferably 6 in whatever wind conditions are presented. Day of event - log in to the course (in play round), and warm up over 4 or 5 holes. Play rounds 1 and 2, tee off round 3. Log out. The next night, or the night after or whenever - same as before - 3 or 4 holes practice in play round, play rounds 3 and 4. Don't see a problem with that |
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Post by djdavefl on Jan 23, 2015 13:20:54 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about the ruling. On one hand the practice of chipping/flopping on the greens for putts where the green grid is fully visible for the entire line of the putt should be outlawed as it is unnecessary.
On the other hand, when you are about 100 feet from the hole, facing a 2 foot ridge, with the green grid only covering half your putt, the option to chip/flop should be available.
However from a TOUR rule perspective I understand the need to create a complete ban. Otherwise it would be open to interpretation and possible abuse.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jan 23, 2015 13:29:56 GMT -5
So to clarify the ruling is no chipping on the green... Therefore I assume flopping is still ok from 60 or so ft?
What about from the fringe, fine to chip?
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Post by schatuk on Jan 23, 2015 13:31:28 GMT -5
So to clarify the ruling is no chipping on the green... Therefore I assume flopping is still ok from 60 or so ft? What about from the fringe, fine to chip? Tim has said rule includes any stroke with any club other than a putter on the green surface. An amended rule will be published soon. The fringe isn't the putting surface as far as I can see, so its fair game. |
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jan 23, 2015 13:35:12 GMT -5
So to clarify the ruling is no chipping on the green... Therefore I assume flopping is still ok from 60 or so ft? What about from the fringe, fine to chip? Tim has said rule includes any stroke with any club other than a putter on the green surface. An amended rule will be published soon. The fringe isn't the putting surface as far as I can see, so its fair game. fair dues, yeah a clearer rule I think is needed to rule out flops and pitch but all received  |
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Post by mellowswe on Jan 23, 2015 13:36:24 GMT -5
So to clarify the ruling is no chipping on the green... Therefore I assume flopping is still ok from 60 or so ft? What about from the fringe, fine to chip? I like to think of it this way; If the game gives me a putter by default, I will putt. If it gives me any other club I will decide myself which shot to play. =) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 13:36:27 GMT -5
So to clarify the ruling is no chipping on the green... Therefore I assume flopping is still ok from 60 or so ft? What about from the fringe, fine to chip? Tim has said rule includes any stroke with any club other than a putter on the green surface. An amended rule will be published soon. The fringe isn't the putting surface as far as I can see, so its fair game. Yes the fringe isn't the putting surface you can't mark your ball on the fringe |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 14:19:14 GMT -5
Let me fight absurdity by being absurd.
You say no chipping on the green unless it meets your specification, Regardless of the rule 14-1 that states otherwise.
You claim you want the tour to simulate the PGA Tour. And follow those rules.
Now you say you will allow chipping from the "Fringe" because the fringe is part of the green, well Technically it isn't. but to be absurd, the only way you can have any FRINGE in this game, is by adding a green, as you cannot add fringe by itself.
So lets be fair, if Fringe is part of the green in this game, the Chipping from the fringe is a ban-able offense and should not be allowed by the logic being used on this topic lately.
Common sense has flown the coup.
And if you don't like my absurdness ... ban me from the tours, as I see a bunch of kids whining over crap that really doesn't measure up to a hill of beans.
On one hand you decide just because someone does something within the rules of golf and others find it as an exploit, wanting it banned, yet there is an obvious exploit in which nothing can be done about it, and have even stated that this is the practice in which they chose to combat High Winds - stopping the game and wait until the wind has died out ... or restart the game until the winds are in their favor.
I find this a more egregious crime and blatant exercise in cheating. Where chipping on the green is legal regardless the ethics and etiquette issues aside.
Really people?
This is a game. And a bunch of you are acting like spoiled kids
If you wish to ban me for this absurd example, fine ... because I have grown tired on this crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 14:35:26 GMT -5
So now you have the power to change the rules of golf.?? Chipping on greens is NOT against any rules in the actual game of golf.
When did the gods of golf come down and give anyone the power to change the rules that have been in effect for over 100 yrs.
What's next telling us what club to hit off the tee on a certain hole??
If it's within the rules of golf it's legal to do it and NOT CHEATING in anyway. If I want to putt with my driver is that also against your rules???
I know it's only a game but leave the rules of real golf alone.
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Post by KLRSKIR on Jan 23, 2015 14:37:57 GMT -5
<Snip> That's absurd!  Frankly, I'm good with the regulations. Never once needed to use anything but a putter on the greens since this game has dropped. Edit: Honestly, how often has ANYONE here seen a pro chip/flop in the PGA over the years? |
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Post by theclv24 on Jan 23, 2015 14:39:54 GMT -5
It took a little longer than expected, and for that I commend everyone... but I think the hyperbole is starting to really get going now.
Everyone take a step back from their computer and take a deep breath!
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Post by ralphieboy79 on Jan 23, 2015 14:40:38 GMT -5
Good decision. Guys were chipping in 15 and 20 footers. You have to get that stuff out of the game.
What would really be a nice solution would be HB making a change that made chipping from the green extremely difficult. You know, just like it is in real life! That's why you only see pros do it when they are facing fringe or a bunker in the way. When they do try, they usually don't pull it off with much accuracy.
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, also strong wind can affect putts( but not in this game). The Oxfordshire is a very open course as are many links courses and play very tough in hard conditions. We were playing in a golf society so we couldn't sit it out and play the next day, everyone had to play the same course with the same conditions, it a shame its not the case on this game 
