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Post by Doyley on Jan 23, 2015 11:09:17 GMT -5
We want the policy to be clear of replies so it is locked. Please voice any opinions here and we will discuss!
New Policy
Chipping on the green is only allowed when fringe/rough/bunker is between your ball and your putting line to the hole.
Penalty
Disqualification from event
Who polices it?
You the members will police it. If you see a ghost ball chipping on the green and it is obvious that there is no obstruction between them and the pin, record a video and submit it to us at commish@tgctours.com (not on the forums!).
The video must be from the perspective of the ghost ball - you can do this by selecting Watch Replay and pick the ghost ball that is chipping on the greens.
If you can't record a video, record the gamertag and the hole it happened on and submit to commish@tgctours.com
TGC Tours will have the final say on all cases.
When does this policy come into effect?
Start of Week 4
Why? Chipping on greens is legal in real golf?
We have noticed an uptick in the amount of chipping on the greens lately. We're seeing people use this method with great success from places people in the real world would never be caught chipping.
Chipping on the green is very rare but we're seeing people chip multiple times in the same round - mostly to avoid breaks in the greens or to go over tiers etc. Some are as close as 15-20 feet away from the hole. We as an admin are not too keen on it watching it continue down this path and are deciding to reign it in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:11:11 GMT -5
Excellent!
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Post by theclv24 on Jan 23, 2015 11:14:32 GMT -5
When you guys made the decision to take this stance, I am sure that you knew that you are going to catch HELL from at least a few people. I'm not saying I necessarily agree or disagree with the decision, but I commend you guys for taking a stance and dealing with whatever comes next.
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Post by ProjectM4yhem23 on Jan 23, 2015 11:16:04 GMT -5
Thank You. Common sense. Too bad you actually had to write it down.
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Post by mrtweek1 on Jan 23, 2015 11:17:59 GMT -5
Well done guys..Ethically the right stand to take....My hats off to you...
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Post by bruce on Jan 23, 2015 11:22:50 GMT -5
All I can say is I've used it for really long putts, when you basically can't even see the hole. Its more of a flop and hope shot. The reason I use it is hitting the ball with the putter just won't reach with any accuracy. I can't say I've ever played a real game where you couldn't reach the hole in one shot on the green.
But here it does, so I'm not totally in favor of this, but at least now I know I better get my chips and second shots closer to the hole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:26:28 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about this hot-button issue.
I have never really come across a ghost ball of anyone exploiting chipping on the green in my opinion. Then again, I mostly play with the ghost ball of some of the top PS4 players (DLW, Chris, Blue, NCFC, Burton, etc) in an attempt to elevate my game. Those guys aren't using exploits to gain an advantage. Clearly. They don't need one, they're just awesome.
So I guess I can say that if someone is gaining an advantage by chipping all over the greens I wouldn't really want them scoring better than me in a tournament.
However, I also think this might unfairly handicap the average players (I consider myself a pretty average player). I'm not sure I like knowing that I won't be able to pull out a wedge in-game when faced with a 50+ foot putt with something like 2 feet of elevation change in it. I have unabashedly used a flop shot in situations like that as I would probably consider doing the same in real life as well. The way the putting works in this game, and the way that some course designers go a bit nuts with their green designs, I like knowing that I can bail myself out with a flop instead of trying to navigate a pretty unrealistic putt. Now this is rare for me. I'd say it only comes up once every 10 rounds or so, but it can really save my bacon when I need it. Except now it is illegal.
I don't know. Like I said, I don't know how to feel about it. If some dude is out there chipping 5 times a round, I think that is sort of lame, but at the same time, he had to learn how to chip well enough to get to a point where he prefers that over putting, so is it fair to just outlaw it?
This is a tough one, but it suppose it must have been pretty rampant if TGCTours are taking a firm stance on it. I'm just going to keep playing my game, keep my head down, try to keep getting better, and let the dust fall where it may.
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 23, 2015 11:29:43 GMT -5
All I can say is I've used it for really long putts, when you basically can't even see the hole. Its more of a flop and hope shot. The reason I use it is hitting the ball with the putter just won't reach with any accuracy. I can't say I've ever played a real game where you couldn't reach the hole in one shot on the green. But here it does, so I'm not totally in favor of this, but at least now I know I better get my chips and second shots closer to the hole. It can be tough and though it rarely happens..I can see the 110 foot putt uphill on the slowest green that maxes out 101 feet be a minor problem. But as long we're all aware. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:31:49 GMT -5
I think the game is going to have a putting green in a future update, good way to practise those really long putts
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Post by blueorfe on Jan 23, 2015 11:34:21 GMT -5
OK, now it's a law, I will not flop the ball on the green anymore and won't argue with the decision.
I flopped the ball three times on Powderfinger pin a because as I saw it, there was no way of getting anywhere near the hole if I had putted.
I will always putt if it is possible, but as some of the holes are cut in positions where extreme red sloping comes between you and the hole, there is no chance of getting it within 20 feet from certain positions. If I played a course like that IRL, I would definitely chip the ball.
Another issue is the green grid is too small for long putts. So if you have a putt over a certain length, you have no idea what half of the break is unless you know the course particularly well.
HB must put this high on their to do list.
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Post by Pave on Jan 23, 2015 11:38:28 GMT -5
All I can say is I've used it for really long putts, when you basically can't even see the hole. Its more of a flop and hope shot. The reason I use it is hitting the ball with the putter just won't reach with any accuracy. I can't say I've ever played a real game where you couldn't reach the hole in one shot on the green. But here it does, so I'm not totally in favor of this, but at least now I know I better get my chips and second shots closer to the hole. It can be tough and though it rarely happens..I can see the 110 foot putt uphill on the slowest green that maxes out 101 feet be a minor problem. But as long we're all aware. Giant greens with the cup / holes near edges are a putting-nightmare indeed (myself had to do at least a couple of +50-feet "approaching-puts" on my latest-run). But I suppose we all just have to bite a tee and do the puts. Or play "smarter" and take the rough, bushy, sand-filled or any other-paths than the most cleared-out-ones when approaching to these trickier greens. |
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Post by Garno on Jan 23, 2015 11:38:47 GMT -5
I don't fully agree with this policy. I am regularly faced with putts where the grid does not extend all the way out to where I'm hitting the ball from. So was this policy decided upon by the select 1337 players who never hit the ball outside 30 ft from the flag? Also, to police this, but allow the blatant wind cheating slide is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:42:56 GMT -5
OK, now it's a law, I will not flop the ball on the green anymore and won't argue with the decision. I flopped the ball three times on Powderfinger pin a because as I saw it, there was no way of getting anywhere near the hole if I had putted. I will always putt if it is possible, but as some of the holes are cut in positions where extreme red sloping comes between you and the hole, there is no chance of getting it within 20 feet from certain positions. If I played a course like that IRL, I would definitely chip the ball. Another issue is the green grid is too small for long putts. So if you have a putt over a certain length, you have no idea what half of the break is unless you know the course particularly well. HB must put this high on their to do list. I can see where the only option is to putt the ball off the green and take your lumps, that's golf, as long as everyone has the same rules, no biggie. |
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Post by joneskidmarks on Jan 23, 2015 11:44:06 GMT -5
Not overly thrilled with this new policy for the same reasons blueorfe has listed above. There are instances where you have zero chance at rolling a putt within 20 feet of the hole. Not sure what the big deal is about getting the ball in the hole. Like they say, "you don't have to draw a picture."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 11:44:57 GMT -5
I don't fully agree with this policy. I am regularly faced with putts where the grid does not extend all the way out to where I'm hitting the ball from. So was this policy decided upon by the select 1337 players who never hit the ball outside 30 ft from the flag? Also, to police this, but allow the blatant wind cheating slide is ridiculous. It is not that difficult to get the ball done in two from say 70 ft if the the green is not too severe |
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