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Post by Tim on Jan 23, 2015 12:25:38 GMT -5
Just as a suggestion (if you haven't done it already), since W04 play can start as early as tomorrow, you might want to send out an email to everyone on the policy. The email was actually sent before we posted on the forums. 1046 people got the email :-) |
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Post by Pubknight on Jan 23, 2015 12:29:06 GMT -5
heh.
Nice.
Covers all bases that way.
You folks are sharp cookies I tell ya!
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jan 23, 2015 12:29:43 GMT -5
I understand, but it grinds my gears when I am outdriven on every hole by the top players in the last euro tour event, I get pissed. When I play a round, I play no matter what the wind is. Others reload until they get the wind most favourable to the shot they are trying to hit. IMO this is worse than using a shot built into the game in a manner allowed by the game. Loading until you get the wind you want is exploiting a loophole that has nothing with hitting a shot. I feel you on this one, and I have asked HBS repeatedly about it and get the same answer each time. They can't fix this unless they rewrite the entire global wind system -- which they are not going to do. So unless we do something like tighten the deadlines for rounds 1 & 2 to limit the chance of perfect conditions -- there really isn't anything we can do here. One thing that would help if is I could get an API that will allow me to see the # of restarts in a tournament round. We could then limit these per tournament. That's better than the way it is now where one is not limited to the # of times they can come in leave and come back. That's the last I'll say on this one -- like to see this thread stay on the chipping on greens discussion. Not to add gas on a fire you want to qwell, but you can't prevent people from going to a practice round to check wind on a course and it counting against your idea to prevent restarts. I think that'd be a waste of API data, TGCT Staff Time & Resources (namely time and coding). Just my $.02. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:31:12 GMT -5
Funny just played my 3rd round at redemption when I had pitch over the edge of rough while on the green ,its the first time it happened to me but I had no choice to play that shot. Also holed a 44 foot putt from the fringe on the same round  |
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Post by Tim on Jan 23, 2015 12:33:22 GMT -5
Disagree with you eMlbCommish. A good API would be robust enough (and if I was in charge of it) I would build it so that you could:
1. Check the round start date of any course.
2. Have a field for "Tournament Name" so you determine if was a tourney round
3. This way you would be able to see who is also playing practice rounds after a tourney starts and also stop that.
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Post by schrutefarms33 on Jan 23, 2015 12:38:37 GMT -5
the blatant wind cheating slide... What's this? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:42:42 GMT -5
I see your the definition of chipping, but is there any reason the rule cannot state clearly then "New Policy, Putting is the only shot permitted while on the green, unless the fringe/rough/bunker is between your ball and your putting line to the hole. Chit house lawyers will have a field day with the current wording.
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Post by classicphil on Jan 23, 2015 12:46:32 GMT -5
Disagree with you eMlbCommish. A good API would be robust enough (and if I was in charge of it) I would build it so that you could: 1. Check the round start date of any course. 2. Have a field for "Tournament Name" so you determine if was a tourney round 3. This way you would be able to see who is also playing practice rounds after a tourney starts and also stop that. Or you could, as would be the case in real life, simply not allow practice rounds on the tournament course when the tournament is open. I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure PGA pros in real life aren't able to do that.... |
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Post by classicphil on Jan 23, 2015 12:47:30 GMT -5
I see your the definition of chipping, but is there any reason the rule cannot state clearly then "New Policy, Putting is the only shot permitted while on the green, unless the fringe/rough/bunker is between your ball and your putting line to the hole. Chit house lawyers will have a field day with the current wording. Yep, which you'll see later when I post my full thoughts on the matter |
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Post by Tim on Jan 23, 2015 12:47:56 GMT -5
I see your the definition of chipping, but is there any reason the rule cannot state clearly then "New Policy, Putting is the only shot permitted while on the green, unless the fringe/rough/bunker is between your ball and your putting line to the hole. Chit house lawyers will have a field day with the current wording. We are making a change to something just like that right now. Will be updated shortly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 12:59:35 GMT -5
the blatant wind cheating slide... What's this? Leave it to me to see the earlier post and go test that theory out, re-loading does squat that I can see, but waiting a bunch of hours would. I believe what he means, close it and comeback much later when the wind dies down.
When the money list becomes real money, feel free to tell me when, where, what time, how long, with who, play with one hand behind your back, on one foot, with a baseball bat, whistle dixie and close your eyes. But while I play in any wind at anytime, life gets in the way, so does boredom and I usually just do whatever I want when I want, many people died to give me that right.
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jan 23, 2015 13:00:53 GMT -5
Disagree with you eMlbCommish. A good API would be robust enough (and if I was in charge of it) I would build it so that you could: 1. Check the round start date of any course. 2. Have a field for "Tournament Name" so you determine if was a tourney round 3. This way you would be able to see who is also playing practice rounds after a tourney starts and also stop that. Perhaps, Tim...and please call me James or preferably "LB". Easier to type.  However, my personal opinion of this level of API happening is being the equivalent of a New Yorker on 75th St waiting for the cows to come to his home. |
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Post by Pubknight on Jan 23, 2015 13:02:43 GMT -5
Disagree with you eMlbCommish. A good API would be robust enough (and if I was in charge of it) I would build it so that you could: 1. Check the round start date of any course. 2. Have a field for "Tournament Name" so you determine if was a tourney round 3. This way you would be able to see who is also playing practice rounds after a tourney starts and also stop that. Or you could, as would be the case in real life, simply not allow practice rounds on the tournament course when the tournament is open. I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure PGA pros in real life aren't able to do that.... Bit of a dissenting opinion here, but: - in a real golf tournament people have the opportunity to hit the driving range to see what the wind is doing and practice shots with that days wind (admittedly they do not have the option of saying, "geez, it's windy today, I'm going to move my tournament tee time to tomorrow") - they also have the opportunity to hit the practice green to groove their putting stroke to that courses green speeds. Since we don't have the luxury of driving ranges and putting greens, I don't see how playing a practice round on the tournament course before play is that out of line. Typically, I play the heck out of a course leading up to the tournament... and then I play my four rounds back to back to back to back, so this has been a non-factor. But I've found doing that that I can start to get sloppy, so I was thinking of going two rounds... taking a break, and coming back the next day to play my next two. Now, before I teed it up in round 3, I would think that I would want to 'warm up' on the course. I wouldn't want to play a different course that might have entirely different conditions (fairway/green speeds) as that could mess me up. I truly don't see that approach as being out of line. Again, without a driving range or practice green attached to that course, I see what I've suggested as 'simulating' that. I've never once bailed on a round due to the wind... I play the wind I've got. That's why I play so many practice rounds, as I want to have an idea for any type of wind I might see. But I think allowing the player to 'warm up' is fair. And on the course seems the most reasonable option available to us. If Tim says that they would prefer we didn't play a practice round on the course once we have played our first tournament round, I would adjust of course and wouldn't do it. It is golf, and there is a big element of the honour system. But without a policy like that in place, I think it's fair game. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 23, 2015 13:03:42 GMT -5
The thing is if I had access to their data model -- I could built this in a weekend -- Building a web API is so easy these days...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 13:14:01 GMT -5
Leave it to me to see the earlier post and go test that theory out, re-loading does squat that I can see, but waiting a bunch of hours would. I believe what he means, close it and comeback much later when the wind dies down.
When the money list becomes real money, feel free to tell me when, where, what time, how long, with who, play with one hand behind your back, on one foot, with a baseball bat, whistle dixie and close your eyes. But while I play in any wind at anytime, life gets in the way, so does boredom and I usually just do whatever I want when I want, many people died to give me that right.
Totally agree with you,I played the Oxfordshire last year in the strongest winds I have ever witnessed, had to hold umbrella sideways as freezing cold rain was coming at me horizontally  , also strong wind can affect putts( but not in this game). The Oxfordshire is a very open course as are many links courses and play very tough in hard conditions. We were playing in a golf society so we couldn't sit it out and play the next day, everyone had to play the same course with the same conditions, it a shame its not the case on this game |
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, also strong wind can affect putts( but not in this game). The Oxfordshire is a very open course as are many links courses and play very tough in hard conditions. We were playing in a golf society so we couldn't sit it out and play the next day, everyone had to play the same course with the same conditions, it a shame its not the case on this game