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Post by Oblong on Jan 24, 2015 20:55:53 GMT -5
It's not realistic!
It makes the game too easy!
It may not be against the rules but you never see the real pros do it!
If you were in this situation in real life you wouldn't do it!
Of course I am talking about the scout camera, an aiming reticule, fades/draws, green grids, wind speed indicator, waiting for the wind to die down, flop shots from any surface, and/or maybe a few more things. But wait...there are the same exact exclamations made for the proponents of why green chipping is now outlawed.
What is next? Do not those other unrealistic things that make the game easier fit the bill too? If not, why? Is so, are they next on the chopping block to get scores into some realm of realism? -60 on 4 round tournaments is not a far cry from the easier arcade settings found in the old TW golf series.
(For the record, I am fully in support of whatever TGCTours staff decide. This is their gig and my choice whether to play with their rules or go elsewhere. As long aw we all are subject to the same rules then I won't complain. I will however be playing to miss large greens so I can chip/flop rather than leave myself a potentially long putt that I can't read the break or make the putter hit long enough due to the current game mechanics. Play to your strengths and with the rules.)
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Post by Painmantle on Jan 24, 2015 21:11:32 GMT -5
Finally the 16th page in this thread, I was beginning to lose confidence in making it to 20 before the weekend was done! Cause if there is one thing we can all agree is more annoying than chipping on the greens, it has to be seeing guys argue the same point over and over for only 15 pages when we all know they are capable of more... ding, ding......round 16
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 24, 2015 22:03:49 GMT -5
For someone who isn't as good as yourself, don't worry so much for us. We'll manage. I'm not in the elite golfers here but i'm working on it. As for you, play as you like, no one should force you to play in any particular way. Thus that is the point you have just helped illustrate. Thanks! I think you missed my point.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 22:24:42 GMT -5
It's not realistic! It makes the game too easy! It may not be against the rules but you never see the real pros do it! If you were in this situation in real life you wouldn't do it! Of course I am talking about the scout camera, an aiming reticule, fades/draws, green grids, wind speed indicator, waiting for the wind to die down, flop shots from any surface, and/or maybe a few more things. But wait...there are the same exact exclamations made for the proponents of why green chipping is now outlawed. What is next? Do not those other unrealistic things that make the game easier fit the bill too? If not, why? Is so, are they next on the chopping block to get scores into some realm of realism? -60 on 4 round tournaments is not a far cry from the easier arcade settings found in the old TW golf series. (For the record, I am fully in support of whatever TGCTours staff decide. This is their gig and my choice whether to play with their rules or go elsewhere. As long aw we all are subject to the same rules then I won't complain. I will however be playing to miss large greens so I can chip/flop rather than leave myself a potentially long putt that I can't read the break or make the putter hit long enough due to the current game mechanics. Play to your strengths and with the rules.) . This is ridiculous, all of those things were implemented into the game for a reason, the same reason a putter was implemented, I can guarantee you the devs did not intend for us to chip rather than putt reasonable putts while on the green. If they did, the default club would have been a wedge. To to sit there and say all the other intended aspects of the game need the same level of attention when it comes to fair play is ludicrous at best. |
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Post by Oblong on Jan 24, 2015 22:36:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry Taste but the devs made their game to also allow chipping on the green while this ruling makes it illegal. Same difference.
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Post by Doyley on Jan 24, 2015 22:40:18 GMT -5
Putting distances are not shown on replays - how are we supposed to rule on it? We can't say 'chipping beyond 70 feet is OK' because we have no way of knowing the distance.
We're close to locking this and putting it to bed - the admin has been busy today with real life stuff so it's still being discussed behind closed doors (slowly).
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 24, 2015 22:47:12 GMT -5
Putting distances are not shown on replays - how are we supposed to rule on it? We can't say 'chipping beyond 70 feet is OK' because we have no way of knowing the distance. We're close to locking this and putting it to bed - the admin has been busy today with real life stuff so it's still being discussed behind closed doors (slowly). Instead of doing a replay .. could you play the ghost and on the hole in question change it to turn based and see the exact shot that they take from the exact distance? |
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Post by Pubknight on Jan 24, 2015 23:13:37 GMT -5
I just hope TGC Tours sticks to their guns on this ruling.
Because it's the right thing to do for the spirit of competition.
I simply do not believe there is any putt that exists on any course that TGC Tours would use that could not be negotiated in 2-3 putts.
And I challenge anyone to provide a screenshot or video of one, and let the rest of the community have at it to prove it can be done.
Heck, people are free to chip around the greens to their hearts content in practice and casual rounds.
You just can't do it in a TGC Tournament.
Seems pretty simple to me.
If TGC came out tomorrow and said it was against the rules of their tournaments to use Driver off the tee... I would say, "Ok."
Because it's their tour, and their rules, and the rules are the same for everyone.
So, because the rules are the same for everyone, why would I give two hoots or a holler what those rules were?
That's the rule now?
Ok, sounds good.
Let's go play.
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Post by Doyley on Jan 24, 2015 23:24:29 GMT -5
Putting distances are not shown on replays - how are we supposed to rule on it? We can't say 'chipping beyond 70 feet is OK' because we have no way of knowing the distance. We're close to locking this and putting it to bed - the admin has been busy today with real life stuff so it's still being discussed behind closed doors (slowly). Instead of doing a replay .. could you play the ghost and on the hole in question change it to turn based and see the exact shot that they take from the exact distance? Members are policing it - we are not willing to chase down and play all ghost balls to whatever hole the incriminating shots are on to verify a chip is over a certain distance. I know it is easy to type but there has to be consideration to how we are supposed to police. It is incredibly time consuming to have to load up a ghost ball and then follow it around to whatever hole the chip may be on. This is why we are creating the rule in the manner we do - it's enforceable and it's streamlined. Send us the replay and we'll rule on it. |
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 24, 2015 23:43:57 GMT -5
Instead of doing a replay .. could you play the ghost and on the hole in question change it to turn based and see the exact shot that they take from the exact distance? Members are policing it - we are not willing to chase down and play all ghost balls to whatever hole the incriminating shots are on to verify a chip is over a certain distance. I know it is easy to type but there has to be consideration to how we are supposed to police. It is incredibly time consuming to have to load up a ghost ball and then follow it around to whatever hole the chip may be on. This is why we are creating the rule in the manner we do - it's enforceable and it's streamlined. Send us the replay and we'll rule on it. Perfectly understandable. However with a 70 foot limit, then anyone who wants to report it, can do the check themselves by loading up the ghost player should they feel the need. If the ball is over 70 feet there is no need for them to report it and no need for you to investigate. Only if it is under 70 feet AND the policing player takes the steps to actually load up the ghost, play the game, verify the shot, would an infraction be reported. So simply put .. you shouldn't be called to investigate unless it is truly a violation AND this also makes sure that the person who wants to report it, really feels that it is worth the effort to report it. Bottom line, my suggestion I do not think will end up with masses of extra work for you and any one that goes through all that trouble to video tape or report it, knows it was under that 70 feet rule and your decision is easy. It is equally streamlined. Have them send you a replay of the actual shot that was ghosted. It still puts the owness on the reportee. Same difference AND it is a valid compromise  This is about as simple as I can suggest where you wont have any more work than you already do. This will be my last word on the subject. Thank you for your consideration on this issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 23:52:17 GMT -5
New age golfers: 3 putting is a thing of the past!
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jan 24, 2015 23:56:34 GMT -5
I can't believe this post has gotten 16 pages of replies. Fact of the matter is that it's the new rule, deal with it, and move on. Case closed. Its the same now for everyone.
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Post by Doyley on Jan 25, 2015 0:24:01 GMT -5
Post has been locked - we'll announce any changes to the policy on Sunday.
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Post by Doyley on Jan 26, 2015 0:07:00 GMT -5
Here is the final wording of the policy.
New Policy
Putter must be used on the green unless your line is obstructed by fringe/rough/bunker, in which case use of a putter is not mandatory.
Penalty
Disqualification from event
Who polices it?
You the members will police it. If you see a ghost ball not using a putter on the green and it is obvious that there is no obstruction between them and the pin, record a video and submit it to us at commish@tgctours.com (not on the forums!).
The video must be from the perspective of the ghost ball - you can do this by selecting Watch Replay and pick the ghost ball that is not using a putter on the greens.
TGC Tours will have the final say on all cases.
When does this policy come into effect?
It's in effect now
Why? Chipping on greens is legal in real golf?
We have noticed an uptick in the amount of chipping on the greens lately. We're seeing people use this method with great success from places people in the real world would never be caught chipping.
Chipping on the green is very rare but we're seeing people chip multiple times in the same round - mostly to avoid breaks in the greens or to go over tiers etc. Some are as close as 15-20 feet away from the hole. We as an admin are not too keen on it watching it continue down this path and are deciding to reign it in.
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