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Post by jwfickett on Jan 23, 2015 14:40:46 GMT -5
We can't do anything about people waiting out the winds. There is no viable way to police it. If there was, we would do what we could.
The problem with green chipping is that people were doing it for 10-15 foot "putts" that had break in them, so instead of reading the break and putting like 99% of everyone else, they were exploiting the spirit of the game by chipping over the breaks.
I wouldn't have a problem with people flopping chipping whatever from those 100 ft quadruple breakers, but the problem is that it becomes grayer and grayer and grayer addressing those on a case by case basis. For us, as tour administrators, it has to be a rule that is brightline and can be enforced due to the obviousness of the situation. Did the person have a bunker in between their ball and a straight line putt to the cup? ok, chip/flop away. But the whole "green grid doesn't extend all the way to my ball and I had a two foot shelf" argument is affected by things like graphics settings, people's perception of redlines, etc.
It's not about being whiny and it's not about mirroring the rules as perfectly as possible. It's about protecting the integrity of the scoring when people are shooting in the low 50s by not putting a 10 footer with 2 feet of break when everyone else is. No one in real life is chipping that shot. But people on this game were, and in order to protect the field, it's better to establish a brightline rule that everyone can follow and understand than keeping it case by case and having precedential decision making affect our rulings and people's perceptions of them.
I hope that sheds some light on the stance.
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Post by acidflashback on Jan 23, 2015 14:42:59 GMT -5
We want the policy to be clear of replies so it is locked. Please voice any opinions here and we will discuss! New PolicyChipping on the green is only allowed when fringe/rough/bunker is between your ball and your putting line to the hole. Great! |
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jan 23, 2015 14:44:46 GMT -5
We can't do anything about people waiting out the winds. There is no viable way to police it. If there was, we would do what we could. The problem with green chipping is that people were doing it for 10-15 foot "putts" that had break in them, so instead of reading the break and putting like 99% of everyone else, they were exploiting the spirit of the game by chipping over the breaks. I wouldn't have a problem with people flopping chipping whatever from those 100 ft quadruple breakers, but the problem is that it becomes grayer and grayer and grayer addressing those on a case by case basis. For us, as tour administrators, it has to be a rule that is brightline and can be enforced due to the obviousness of the situation. Did the person have a bunker in between their ball and a straight line putt to the cup? ok, chip/flop away. But the whole "green grid doesn't extend all the way to my ball and I had a two foot shelf" argument is affected by things like graphics settings, people's perception of redlines, etc. It's not about being whiny and it's not about mirroring the rules as perfectly as possible. It's about protecting the integrity of the scoring when people are shooting in the low 50s by not putting a 10 footer with 2 feet of break when everyone else is. No one in real life is chipping that shot. But people on this game were, and in order to protect the field, it's better to establish a brightline rule that everyone can follow and understand than keeping it case by case and having precedential decision making affect our rulings and people's perceptions of them. I hope that sheds some light on the stance. You can't do anything about the wind waiters, yes. But you can combat and inconvenience it by agreeing to this procedural change for the benefit of the entire tour: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/1477/implement-different-deadlines-r1-submissions#blatantthreadjackninja  |
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Post by jwfickett on Jan 23, 2015 14:46:14 GMT -5
We will discuss that, eMLB. Lots of factors at play.
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Post by schatuk on Jan 23, 2015 14:46:14 GMT -5
See Tim's most recent post in that thread.  |
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Post by eMLBCommish on Jan 23, 2015 14:47:00 GMT -5
Hehe, saw that... I'm actually sending the readers there in case they don't frequent that thread, which I am partially guilty of. |
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Post by johneric on Jan 23, 2015 14:47:41 GMT -5
I've stated my case about how I feel about the whole operation, but let me just say that I find it absurd to add this rule to TGC tours even though I'm not currently playing in any active tourny.
From my perspective, they're banning this but allowing people to use the sand wedge exploit! I've seen some pretty high ups use this exploit during a tour when playing their ghost balls, so what gives?
It's a video game, let people play how they want play in regards to club or shot selection... Just because someone chips on the green doesn't guarantee it's going to work out better! Heck sometimes it's worse.. If someone works on their game enough to have an advantage to chip on the green what is wrong with that?
I agree with DDawg, and endorse his point of view! Thumbs up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 14:52:13 GMT -5
seen phil do it once. thats it, for 20 years!
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Post by jwfickett on Jan 23, 2015 14:53:03 GMT -5
John if you're not even playing, why do you care so much? I'm not asking to be terse, I'm legitimately curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 14:56:09 GMT -5
I am really not happy about this decision. I'm a lousy player on the champions tour and have only had about 10 rounds under par out of roughly 250. Putting is very difficult for me and if I have a very long putt, I find it a little easier to pitch it. It does not work most of the time but it saves me a few shots a round and keeps the game playable for me. Is it such a big deal if this means I shoot a 76 or 78 rather than an 80 or 82. I can't believe that you are allowed to do this in real life but not in a video game, it's only a game! Have you considered only applying this rule to the top tours with the best players rather than us champions tour strugglers who find the game difficult enough.
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Post by acidflashback on Jan 23, 2015 15:01:23 GMT -5
Practice practice practice Loughrey. You will get it and once you do you will be all good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 15:14:50 GMT -5
Why do people always use the excuse that it is legal to chip on the green in real life. To be honest if you want to keep comparing to real life, how many pro's do we see chipping on a green. It only happens in extreme circumstances
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Post by Doyley on Jan 23, 2015 15:19:12 GMT -5
Funny just played my 3rd round at redemption when I had pitch over the edge of rough while on the green ,its the first time it happened to me but I had no choice to play that shot. Also holed a 44 foot putt from the fringe on the same round  That would still be a legal shot under the new rules. |
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 23, 2015 15:26:58 GMT -5
Why do people always use the excuse that it is legal to chip on the green in real life. To be honest if you want to keep comparing to real life, how many pro's do we see chipping on a green. It only happens in extreme circumstances This right here..it's done in RL rarely. Most pro's have probably never done it. And if the RL pro's used as much as the people here did there would probably be a stead-fast rule for them as well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 15:29:11 GMT -5
Funny just played my 3rd round at redemption when I had pitch over the edge of rough while on the green ,its the first time it happened to me but I had no choice to play that shot. Also holed a 44 foot putt from the fringe on the same round That would still be a legal shot under the new rules. Lucky I totally read your post clearly on the new rules or I would have had to have to have putted 30ft right of the hole |
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