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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 17:18:54 GMT -5
15-25 feet is a far cry from 100 foot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 17:22:39 GMT -5
Love the level of respect and decorum you bring to the discussion Taste. I did understand your point - and my response to that was in real life, I would and have chipped on the greens. Therefore when you accuse people like me of "ignoring parts of reality" but citing other parts of reality in support of my position, it doesn't wash because I'm not doing that. I can understand your point, thanks for the condescension though. Your point consists of a straw men you constructed then knocked down. And here is where I'll quote you back to you: "read what I said, if you can't understand the point, then there is no help in having you understand the point we are trying to make." You're constructing straw men arguments here, plain and simple. My failure to accept your straw men arguments does not mean I don't understand them - lets not confuse disagreement with a lack of intelligence. Furthermore, you continue to assert that chipping is easier than putting; its not. They are two different shot types that require two different strategies and ways of playing them. If you think its so easy, go play a round and chip instead of putt - let me know if you score higher (I dare say you wont). Chipping is easier for some, putting is easier for some - why is this such a difficult concept to accept and understand? And while the reasons for this rule change may have been to eliminate those who are chipping from inside 20 feet, the lack of compromise and draconian style of action taken affects ALL forms of chipping on the greens. So yes, we will talk about extreme situations because now we are no longer allowed to consider a different shot option in those circumstances due to the nature of this ruling. The rule affects extreme situations as well as non-extreme situations regardless of what you continue to assert. All it takes is one stickler to report it and its a DQ, even if that person was in an extreme situation where putting was a bad option. I brought up my brother to make a point. I daresay if some started using a 3 Wood on greens in TGC and started to get better results than putting, all the squeaky wheels would come out and start decrying such blatant "cheating" or use of an "exploit" and push to make it illegal. This is the ridiculousness that underscores this debate. Those who are really good at this game feel that everyone should play the same way they do, because the way they play is the "proper" way to play the game. This is simply BS. There is no "right" or "correct" or "proper" way to play golf - that's the beauty of the game. It is an individuals sport, and as such individuals play using shot types and strategies that they feel gives them the best result. This ban simply makes this game less diverse, less individualistic, less free and punishes those who have developed a different approach from the norm. It punishes some and rewards others on very arbitrary grounds. oh the irony so classicphil you are really trying to tell us all that it is not easier to get the ball closer from a flop/pitch from 20 to 30 yards than putt from that distance. You are not playing the same game as me then. Taste is a really good player and he plays the game the way it is supposed to be played and he has my respect . It is not about your score its about how you got that score imo, and flop,pitch shots from 60/8 yards from the green is not golf |
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 24, 2015 17:23:35 GMT -5
There's a difference between not possible to get it there and not able to accurately get it there..it seems like some want to chip because they can't two putt a 60 foot putt? Well, practice.
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 24, 2015 17:34:44 GMT -5
15-25 feet is a far cry from 100 foot Thank you for illustrating my point so wonderfully. Ergo, ban the chip from 15-25 feet, but leave the longer chips alone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 17:37:40 GMT -5
15-25 feet is a far cry from 100 foot Thank you for illustrating my point so wonderfully. Ergo, ban the chip from 15-25 feet, but leave the longer chips alone. and thank you for illistrating a point i have made several times in this very thread, leave the longer ones alone, we are the police here, we are the ones reporting it, if we leave the longer ones alone as long as they are not abused, where is the problem? not sure why we gotta keep going this full circle. |
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 24, 2015 17:38:30 GMT -5
so classicphil you are really trying to tell us all that it is not easier to get the ball closer from a flop/pitch from 20 to 30 yards than putt from that distance. You are not playing the same game as me then. Taste is a really good player and he plays the game the way it is supposed to be played and he has my respect . It is not about your score its about how you got that score imo, and flop,pitch shots from 60/8 yards from the green is not golf Any one who thinks there is only one right "way" to play the game obviously doesn't understand the game of golf. I think what you meant to say was, "Taste plays the game like I prefer it to be played." Taking a pitch shot from 60/80 yards out on the green or a flop shot IS golf and it has been in the rules for over 100 years. I think what you mean that you believe pitching / flopping on the green is not the way you prefer golf. Language is such a nice thing. Be aware of overgeneralizing things.  |
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 24, 2015 17:39:09 GMT -5
15-25 feet is a far cry from 100 foot Thank you for illustrating my point so wonderfully. Ergo, ban the chip from 15-25 feet, but leave the longer chips alone. No one cares you make a chip from an area that is impossible to putt (100 foot, 3 feet uphill, max putt is 101). But some of those 60 foot or 100 foot putts are fine for a 2-putt. |
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 24, 2015 17:42:20 GMT -5
Thank you for illustrating my point so wonderfully. Ergo, ban the chip from 15-25 feet, but leave the longer chips alone. and thank you for illistrating a point i have made several times in this very thread, leave the longer ones alone, we are the police here, we are the ones reporting it, if we leave the longer ones alone as long as they are not abused, where is the problem? not sure why we gotta keep going this full circle. If this has been your position all along, I apologize that I misunderstood it. I'm glad we are in agreement here. Honestly the majority of players who will flop from 80feet out in four rounds of golf is so minor it shouldn't be an issue. If people use common sense and see a 100 foot downhill putt, there is no reason to chip. 80 feet up 3 feet, there is a reason and the player can make a choice. But i'm with you the short 15-21 foot chips that i can drain 75% of the time should be banned. I just played a game where i was off the green 3 holes by 5-7 yards. LW in the center 3 for 3. SO yes ban the short chips on the green, change the rule for the long one and allow players to report obvious abuses like 70 feet with no incline. Help me get this changed Taste. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 17:46:05 GMT -5
nonono, no need to change the rule here bright, as i said before, if we play like we would in real life, nobody would report our play, the rule is fine because it gets rid of any grey areas. please step aside and think of the pro's vs the cons here.
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Post by Painmantle on Jan 24, 2015 17:54:30 GMT -5
For those of you who claim there was no discussion about this before the decision, that is simply not true. Not only was it brought up in several threads throughout this forum, but it has another thread here: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/622/chipping-on-greens that has 5 pages and was discussed over the course of 7 days from November 21-28th. It has just taken a month to get a decision! So it seems like this decision wasn't made as hastily as some have claimed. This decision had been "in the process" for over a month before it was announced. Just because you didn't know and weren't involved in the previous discussions, doesn't mean they didn't happen |
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Post by fuzzymayonnaise on Jan 24, 2015 17:55:11 GMT -5
I'm not good enough for anyone to play my ghost ball and notice. :-)
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Post by Painmantle on Jan 24, 2015 17:55:16 GMT -5
I hate it when I quote myself instead of editing my post LOL |
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 24, 2015 17:56:51 GMT -5
For those of you who claim there was no discussion about this before the decision, that is simply not true. Not only was it brought up in several threads throughout this forum, but it has another thread here: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/622/chipping-on-greens that has 5 pages and was discussed over the course of 7 days from November 21-28th. It has just taken a month to get a decision! So it seems like this decision wasn't made as hastily as some have claimed. This decision had been "in the process" for over a month before it was announced. Just because you didn't know and weren't involved in the previous discussions, doesn't mean they didn't happen I remember when they said no rule but if it gets abused we might change it up. Apparently there was some abuse so they changed it up. |
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Post by classicphil on Jan 24, 2015 17:57:12 GMT -5
Thank you for illustrating my point so wonderfully. Ergo, ban the chip from 15-25 feet, but leave the longer chips alone. and thank you for illistrating a point i have made several times in this very thread, leave the longer ones alone, we are the police here, we are the ones reporting it, if we leave the longer ones alone as long as they are not abused, where is the problem? not sure why we gotta keep going this full circle. The problem Taste is in those situations those who choose to chip/flop could be DQ'd if someone reported. So while you might be correct in theory, are you going to vouch for every member and guarantee that chipping/flopping longer shots wont be reported by fellow players?
I'd also like to reiterate what Brighttale said (and what I've said numerous times in this thread) about playing the game "properly". Great that some think Taste's way of playing is the "proper" and "correct" way of playing, but that is solely your opinion and to try and enforce it on others via lobbying for banning shot types is ridiculous. There is no correct or incorrect way of playing golf, its entirely subjective - that's the beauty of golf.
Taste, it is easier for some to chip it closer to the hole from 15-25 feet as its easier for some to putt it from that distance - its a matter of shot preference, skill, green speed, etc. While I don't think there should be a blanket ban on chipping on the greens, I would think a fair compromise would be what Brighttale has suggested. At the end of the day I think people should be free to play as they see fit; everyone has the freedom to chip or putt on the greens, it should come down to your skills and strategies as to what shot you choose. I don't think its fair to simply ban a shot type, thus benefitting those who are proficient putters to the detriment of those who are proficient chippers.
I will move on, play by the rules, and continue to try my best to make cuts every week. I do wish, however, that the powers at be would provide information to us about the problem, consult with the players and discuss things with the players before making decisions, rather than making decisions and then setting us loose to talk about it.
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 24, 2015 17:58:39 GMT -5
and thank you for illistrating a point i have made several times in this very thread, leave the longer ones alone, we are the police here, we are the ones reporting it, if we leave the longer ones alone as long as they are not abused, where is the problem? not sure why we gotta keep going this full circle. The problem Taste is in those situations those who choose to chip/flop could be DQ'd if someone reported. So while you might be correct in theory, are you going to vouch for every member and guarantee that chipping/flopping longer shots wont be reported by fellow players?
I'd also like to reiterate what Brighttale said (and what I've said numerous times in this thread) about playing the game "properly". Great that some think Taste's way of playing is the "proper" and "correct" way of playing, but that is solely your opinion and to try and enforce it on others via lobbying for banning shot types is ridiculous. There is no correct or incorrect way of playing golf, its entirely subjective - that's the beauty of golf.
Taste, it is easier for some to chip it closer to the hole from 15-25 feet as its easier for some to putt it from that distance - its a matter of shot preference, skill, green speed, etc. While I don't think there should be a blanket ban on chipping on the greens, I would think a fair compromise would be what Brighttale has suggested. At the end of the day I think people should be free to play as they see fit; everyone has the freedom to chip or putt on the greens, it should come down to your skills and strategies as to what shot you choose. I don't think its fair to simply ban a shot type, thus benefitting those who are proficient putters to the detriment of those who are proficient chippers.
I will move on, play by the rules, and continue to try my best to make cuts every week. I do wish, however, that the powers at be would provide information to us about the problem, consult with the players and discuss things with the players before making decisions, rather than making decisions and then setting us loose to talk about it.
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