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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 9, 2019 13:11:18 GMT -5
Are infinity fairways a thing?
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 11, 2019 9:03:18 GMT -5
Got a little designers block this morning. Only 4 holes to go though. Here's the plot so far: And the to do list: Finish 5-8. Adjust a couple fairways on back 9. Re bunker #11. Playtest a ton more. Plant-a-palooza. Any suggestions on hole ideas would be great. What's your absolute favorite par 4 ever? Need inspiration please.
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Post by lessthanbread on Dec 11, 2019 15:19:24 GMT -5
Are infinity fairways a thing? This guy thinks so...
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Post by lessthanbread on Dec 11, 2019 15:35:10 GMT -5
Got a little designers block this morning. Only 4 holes to go though. Here's the plot so far: And the to do list: Finish 5-8. Adjust a couple fairways on back 9. Re bunker #11. Playtest a ton more. Plant-a-palooza. Any suggestions on hole ideas would be great. What's your absolute favorite par 4 ever? Need inspiration please. Something I like doing if I'm getting designer's block or running out of hole ideas. Just lay down a fairway, curving it in different/interesting directions. Then move the tee box around it (but mark the location where you actually want the tee), playing it from different angles to see if a certain layout gives some fun shots. Then just redraw the layout you want after moving the tee back to it's intended spot
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 15, 2019 18:41:14 GMT -5
Design block over, i drew a simple fairway and green and just tried to let the contouring do the work. Added a fairly deep bunker right at the heart of the landing zone (Lions mouth?). This one is a bear if you don't pay attention. Very birdie-able. Trying for eagle is a bit of a sucker play. If you play for birdie you can get it, but if you play for eagle its eagle or bust. From the overhead you can see the sharp contours of the green, so I might get some complaints on this hole. And to those I will just refer you to my avatar.
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Post by Davidius74 on Dec 16, 2019 8:00:26 GMT -5
Looking at the overhead how wide is the fairway on these two holes as they look a tad narrow.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 16, 2019 16:50:15 GMT -5
Looking at the overhead how wide is the fairway on these two holes as they look a tad narrow. The above hole is about 45 yards with a 2 wood with how it's angled. A 2 iron has about a 60 yrd landing area including the rough on the left that'll kick the ball back in the fairway. The bottom is about 40 yards throughout but the way it's sculpted, and with the bunker, a driver has about a 15 yard landing area that'll roll you below the pins, which is where you want to be. The layup is a 2 wood that'll clear the fairway bunker. If you hit anywhere in the rough behind the bunker all the way to about 5 yards from the right edge of the fairway you'll be in the short stuff (roughly 50 yards). Also on a side note, the bunker is at 2i/3i distance to deter golfers from using them as this green would not be friendly from that distance.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 16, 2019 16:57:50 GMT -5
Basically the layup for most of the holes on this course leave a fast to slow follow through tolerance. Assuming you pick the proper landing area, read the contouring right and have a reasonably straight swing, a fast or slow will not be in trouble. You may run into the first cut of rough on occasion but nothing that'll kill a par chance.
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Post by Davidius74 on Dec 16, 2019 17:32:50 GMT -5
Okay. Didn't look as wide as that.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 27, 2019 12:40:27 GMT -5
A small rework of 16. I extended the fairway on both sides of the trees, made the bunker smaller and brought it into view more from the tee. The added fairway I think helps the scaling b101 mentioned in stream and adds another option where you can play two shots to the right safely around the trees. I also removed one because i thought it was too penal for anyone missing while laying up with 2 wood up the middle. There's still some risk involved if you do not hit your 2nd correctly as hitting the tree will put you in the bunker. cplampman also suggested the fairway be wider as it didn't quite fit the rest of the course. appreciate the feedback guys.
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Post by cplampman on Dec 27, 2019 13:13:17 GMT -5
A small rework of 16. I extended the fairway on both sides of the trees, made the bunker smaller and brought it into view more from the tee. The added fairway I think helps the scaling b101 mentioned in stream and adds another option where you can play two shots to the right safely around the trees. I also removed one because i thought it was too penal for anyone missing while laying up with 2 wood up the middle. There's still some risk involved if you do not hit your 2nd correctly as hitting the tree will put you in the bunker. cplampman also suggested the fairway be wider as it didn't quite fit the rest of the course. appreciate the feedback guys. Yeahhh I def like that more. I’m really liking courses these days where it’s like impossible to miss the fairway and the choice off the tee isn’t club down one but where you leave your ball. Like b101 new course for example. You really need to think about where you’re hitting your driver. But if you’re in a bad spot in the fairway it’s no good. So here I was sorta thinking something like this Bring the bunker up a little so it’s in play if you go left on the shortcut. And then extend the fairway out like that either connecting it all or just having that little area. If you go right with the driver thinking “meh easy shot” you have a long club into a bad angle with a huge risk of the water. Even make it a little bit uneven etc. So now you’d have driver left for the best shot, layup in the middle as a safe play, or driver right which you think is safe but might add some strokes later on from an extremely difficult 2nd. I don’t know if any of that works distance wise but just kinda what I thought playing the hole initially. But regardless I’m liking the changes!
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Post by b101 on Dec 27, 2019 13:33:48 GMT -5
Liking the development down the options route. For me, the next step is to make it look a bit more natural rather than the options and fairway shapes looking a bit forced. I'd consider doing something like the below (good Paint skills here as well, you'll see ): Red shapes would sort the fairway scaling, keeping your risk/reward options off the tee and the angle would also allow players to decide how much risk they want - it's no longer a question of 'do you want to risk the river?' but more one of 'just how close do you feel comfortable with?'. I'd suggest the blue cross in the fairway as your ideal landing zone. You could bunker the inside as you suggested, but I don't think it's totally necessary - more a question of choice as the trees are there to punish you. (Can't remember exactly how far up the fairway you could get). You'll also notice the fairway extended higher up - more to keep the scaling consistent than anything else, but it does also mean you could consider that as a layup zone in a way that you never would have done before. I'd probably lose at least one of those circle bunkers as well. The punishment for laying up is being in that position - you don't really need a bunker to make them question that decision as well (IMO). The final thing I'd consider is potentially moving the tee further left (second blue cross), as this would really heighten the impact of that tee shot and maximise your angles. It's not a must by any means, but try it out and see what you think.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 27, 2019 19:03:50 GMT -5
Excellent artist renderings guys. b101 originally i had the tee box more left there (not quite as far) but just kept moving it right. It seemed too easy to attack that landing zone hitting along the water as opposed to more at it. And having to hit a fast on the drive to make it in 2 would cause a draw even more directly towards the water. I'll play around with it for sure as I don't think i really gave it that much of a playtest before moving it. And yeah, definitely shortening some fairways. My superintendent b!+c[ed about them too. cplampman I will probably end up making that fairway a little longer if the layout doesnt change. Not as much though, i kinda want to take driver out of your hands if you play right as it is by far the safest route i want to try to keep the hole playing as long as possible from that direction. It would be about a 2w,2w, 8 iron. So not to bad as long as you hit straight. Maybe i could do driver, 2w that way if i gaurded the 2nd shot landing area a little more??? Thanks for the input. I'll talk shop all day long, learning a lot about golf in general in this community. I know what a redan is now. Thanks again
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 29, 2019 2:32:24 GMT -5
Before planting: After planting: Also touched up the heavy rough, fixed smooting issues and added rough around the fairway bunkers
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Dec 30, 2019 14:13:37 GMT -5
Flyover of the first hole ready for play. Probably going to be the last time I let anyone behind the curtain until publish.
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