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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 22, 2019 7:06:51 GMT -5
Regardless of how Chautauqua fairs in the rookie competition i've already taken what i've learned so far and applied it to one of my current WIPs (1 of many). Keep all the feedback coming, it's been very helpful.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 22, 2019 7:30:44 GMT -5
Hole 1 (subject to change)
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Post by lessthanbread on Oct 22, 2019 8:40:41 GMT -5
Yes! Onward and upward. That looks beautiful
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Post by b101 on Oct 22, 2019 9:01:16 GMT -5
What Bread said. Looks lovely! Planting wise, I'd suggest you sink the bushes into the ground; looks a lot neater. Keep them coming!
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 22, 2019 11:47:01 GMT -5
What Bread said. Looks lovely! Planting wise, I'd suggest you sink the bushes into the ground; looks a lot neater. Keep them coming! They'll probably be trimmed right out, or just be fillers. One of the critiques on my last course was not enough color contrast, so i just mashed a bunch in to see what it will look like. As soon as i figure out how to upload videos you'll see an updated hole with a strategy tutorial.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 22, 2019 13:20:51 GMT -5
Cleared out a lot of the bushes on the left hand side. Not really sure what i want to do there yet. But here's a hole mostly complete. It'll probably end up being 17 because I think i want the clubhouse in the view on the next hole. Anyway, here's three different ways to play it. Any thoughts?
Ps. Don't knock my putting, i've been on 124 greens for 2 months.
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Post by lessthanbread on Oct 22, 2019 15:16:07 GMT -5
If you're going to have a gap in the fairway, make sure there is a reason for that gap to be there. I could see another canal intersecting perpendicular with the existing one at that spot.
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Post by b101 on Oct 22, 2019 15:19:19 GMT -5
I like the need to hit a fast to reach the second fairway and it's great that you're designing with options in mind. For me, it looks very narrow and even the layups aren't that safe - why wouldn't I go for it given that it's about the same size landing zone with 4w as driver? I'd suggest widening the fairway short right to allow an easy bail out that will leave a 6/7i in. Odds are, nobody will take it, but the point is that there's a totally safe way to play the hole. I'd also probably like to see a little more safety on the 2w/3w play to the edge of the first fairway, but that's far less of an issue for me. I guess my acid test is: how would X hole play in a 10mph crosswind if the player missed their tempo? Are they totally punished or is there margin for error? N.B. there doesn't necessarily need to be - lots of Marlette was walking a tightrope, but it's important to consider that question IMO. I think you might find this being a really tough tee shot - perhaps that's what you're after, perhaps not. I am really digging the environment and the way you've got it overlooking the next hole as well for easy planting and good sightlines. You've clearly picked up a lot already
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 22, 2019 15:33:37 GMT -5
If you're going to have a gap in the fairway, make sure there is a reason for that gap to be there. I could see another canal intersecting perpendicular with the existing one at that spot. Originally that was a depression that went all the way up the hill to the left and acted as a ditch, but i see where i lost that look when i resculpted that area. Another canal though.... that's an idea.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 22, 2019 17:03:19 GMT -5
I like the need to hit a fast to reach the second fairway and it's great that you're designing with options in mind. For me, it looks very narrow and even the layups aren't that safe - why wouldn't I go for it given that it's about the same size landing zone with 4w as driver? I'd suggest widening the fairway short right to allow an easy bail out that will leave a 6/7i in. Odds are, nobody will take it, but the point is that there's a totally safe way to play the hole. I'd also probably like to see a little more safety on the 2w/3w play to the edge of the first fairway, but that's far less of an issue for me. I guess my acid test is: how would X hole play in a 10mph crosswind if the player missed their tempo? Are they totally punished or is there margin for error? N.B. there doesn't necessarily need to be - lots of Marlette was walking a tightrope, but it's important to consider that question IMO. I think you might find this being a really tough tee shot - perhaps that's what you're after, perhaps not. I am really digging the environment and the way you've got it overlooking the next hole as well for easy planting and good sightlines. You've clearly picked up a lot already The fast tempo to clear the ditch is what this hole is designed around. And I had to sculpt the end of the fairway to keep a 3w from rolling in the heavy rough. I can keep it in the fairway or light rough 90 percent of the time with perfect perfect tempo, which I'm ok with. Also the widest part of the fairway, which is hard to see, is in front of all those bunkers, so it's relatively safe. It'll play as a 4iron, then 6 iron into the green. Even if you hit it right, assuming you don't go in the water, there's a bailout area short/left of the green where the tree on the right won't come into play.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 22, 2019 19:17:50 GMT -5
Moving on to a different hole, can't stare at that one any longer. (I'll come back to it). This was originally the second, but I'm thinking about making one of the buildings on the right the clubhouse, so it'll become 18 if I can make the other holes fit. There's already 9 mostly done so it could be tricky. Here's the approach, working on a good tee shot to get there:
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Post by b101 on Oct 23, 2019 3:07:16 GMT -5
Framing is top-notch there. This sort of progression is what the rookie contest is all about. Seriously good looks here!
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Post by lessthanbread on Oct 23, 2019 9:10:21 GMT -5
Absolutely love how the tall trees on the left balance the buildings on the right. The contrast between the hustle and bustle of city living and the peace and serenity of nature. Very cool
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 23, 2019 9:16:06 GMT -5
Absolutely love how the tall trees on the left balance the buildings on the right. The contrast between the hustle and bustle of city living and the peace and serenity of nature. Very cool The way it goes now, nine holes that are done play by the canal, behind those houses and towards the city. The other 9 play around a small lake at the end of the canal, which i picture as being a ship yard, and a wooded hilly area on the other side of those trees. The look has taken me months, but it should look pretty natural and well planned at the same time.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Oct 23, 2019 9:20:36 GMT -5
Framing is top-notch there. This sort of progression is what the rookie contest is all about. Seriously good looks here! As far as progression, these holes have been in the works for a while. My issue with Chautauqua was time. When i entered RDC, i didn't realize how much time it actually took me to create a course. But it helped getting the feedback because there's been plenty of small things i've changed sculpting and planting wise on this one.
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