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Post by ijs1543 on Jan 30, 2019 12:15:54 GMT -5
Its amazing that someone who has never won suddenly wins when short swinging becomes a thing, and definitely not the same ps4 control can reach the top on mine
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 12:46:04 GMT -5
Its amazing that someone who has never won suddenly wins when short swinging becomes a thing, and definitely not the same ps4 control can reach the top on mine Been swinging this same type of swing since TW days. The game changed, not me bud.
Edit: I have nine other trophies in my cabinet, so be factual instead of misleading.
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Post by t2theb2 on Jan 30, 2019 12:50:55 GMT -5
Bob let's be honest here, if you, me or anybody playing the game and are getting that cut down swing it is an advantage. Look at the leaderboards every week most players finish in those top spots are those suffer from the cut down swing.
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Post by t2theb2 on Jan 30, 2019 12:53:57 GMT -5
Now on the other hand is it their fault??? No it is not. Unfortunately it it also not the rest of the fields fault either but they are playing at an unfair disadvantage. So something has to be done to make it fair across the board.
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Post by ijs1543 on Jan 30, 2019 12:54:25 GMT -5
Its amazing that someone who has never won suddenly wins when short swinging becomes a thing, and definitely not the same ps4 control can reach the top on mine Been swinging this same type of swing since TW days. The game changed, not me bud.
Edit: I have nine other trophies in my cabinet, so be factual instead of misleading.
Nine so your talking about the web trophies, hmmmmm why would you be in the web tour but now your good enough to win a pga tour event, but keep telling yourself its all down to your skill and not the advantage you have with the short swing
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Post by GW_Hope on Jan 30, 2019 12:56:04 GMT -5
To be fair. It’s not Bob’s fault. Please complain on HB boards. I’ve been and a few others but they ignore us and tell us it’s too hard to do and don’t worry about it
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We haven't chimed in because there's really nothing to discuss. The swing is functioning as intended. If it wasn't we would have addressed the issue when it was first raised.
The downswing time to contact is identical regardless of the distance of your input. We still take the same number of data points along the input line to calculate your swing plane accuracy. Sure, not swinging all the way to the top means those data points are closer together (for better or worse depending on the user and input device) but the swing system is dealing in the thousandths of a second timings on the down-swing and the swing plane accuracy calculation includes ALL points taken along the swing plane - not the "follow through points" specifically. The difference between a full and 3/4 swing is negligible, at the end of the day.
Every single input device will behave slightly differently when handling that level of precise calculation, as will every person. There is no means to enforce full swings without taking control out of the users hands and adding arbitrary penalties... this, in our opinion, is not a solution and goes against the ethos of TGC 2019.
If there are some people who can achieve better results swinging with a short swing, kudos to them. Most people cannot do this... much like most people cannot "quick scope" in CoD, Halo, or CS... much like most people cannot speed shift a manual transmission. If you're good enough to pull it off and find success with it, then all the power to you. It's a game, have fun playing it the way you enjoy playing it.
Myself, Shaun, and everyone else here who has tried this tactic end up with terrible shot outcomes. I'm sure, like everything, if it was practiced enough it could become a viable approach to swinging, depending on the input device... It's impossible to achieve a short down-swing line on my XB1 controller on my PC without hitting a very fast tempo. It just cannot be done. I have more success using a 360 controller... but it feels terrible and I'm not seeing the benefit personally - for me it's not a viable swing... neither are johneric's "2 thumbs swing" or "the chess piece pinch" approaches to swinging the stick. To each their own.
This approach to swinging involves a certain skill to achieve and there are inherent risks involved with attempting it, just like a full swing, a flick swing, a pinch swing, a 2 thumb swing, etc. Regardless of the success of some individuals, it's certainly not an exploit from what we've seen and experienced.
There you go, the chime hath chimed. 8)
EDIT: Oh, and to be clear here, your swing plane line has ZERO affect on your swing power as some folks were eluding to earlier.
EDIT 2: I suppose there is a visual fix we could make that would no longer display the shortened swing lines... but then our swing feedback would no longer portray accurate information... much like the TGC 2 swing line. We wanted it to be a true 1 to 1 depiction of your swing for TGC 2019, that was a key part of our decision to overhaul the swing feedback meter.
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Post by ijs1543 on Jan 30, 2019 13:00:08 GMT -5
To be fair. It’s not Bob’s fault. Please complain on HB boards. I’ve been and a few others but they ignore us and tell us it’s too hard to do and don’t worry about it Never said its bob fault or his doing anything dodge, but people believing that cutting off the last 10% of there swing is not a huge advantage are crazy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:00:12 GMT -5
Bob let's be honest here, if you, me or anybody playing the game and are getting that cut down swing it is an advantage. Look at the leaderboards every week most players finish in those top spots are those suffer from the cut down swing. Never said it wasn't an advantage. It is. I do take exception from a set of ps4 players going after other ps4 players when the game is so different here than on PC and XB1. I don't see many of those players pointing out the advantage there. Why? Because they enjoy that one. At least be consistent with what is "fair".
ANY ps4 player can utilize it. I would bet $$ that I could pick up all but the most worn of controllers (think 4 years old or more) and pull it off and do it across others' PS4s. Those failing are taking the flick part too literally. Put light pressure on the analog. That is how it's done, not by some herky-jerky "flick". I use fadge's analogy of why would I swing like a mongoloid when I can have a precise, fluid swing with less deviation? I came up with that long, long ago in response to one of the TW games in the past and have not changed that part at all since.
I once again blame HB and they have the onus to fix it. PS4 in general has an advantage over PC and especially XB1, but some PS4 users who have the advantage over those other two systems are calling out a smaller subset of PS4 users because they choose to not adapt and change? Please.
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Post by t2theb2 on Jan 30, 2019 13:02:50 GMT -5
To be fair hb can't change the ruling on the tgc tours comps. I'm not going on hb's website when it sounds quite obvious that they won't be doing anything. So for me the only thing that can be done is the tours to say unfortunately you can't play unless you get a controller that works how it should. It's only the same as the last game where people who controller had a deadspot were made to change
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:03:56 GMT -5
Now on the other hand is it their fault??? No it is not. Unfortunately it it also not the rest of the fields fault either but they are playing at an unfair disadvantage. So something has to be done to make it fair across the board. The whole ps4 console user base has an advantage over XB1, and a large one at that. That would also need to be fixed.
The Society model HB has makes it so they compare scores across the console, so by design they do not have the extra incentive to make the platforms as equal as possible. Blame that and Sony's reluctance for cross-platform play. Also, there has to be some kind of bug in PS4 coding that allows this so much easier with good tempo vs. PC and XB1 that one get away with it. But again, HB doesn't have true incentive to fix it, and if you even try to be critical of them on their forum, they just delete posts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:06:09 GMT -5
To be fair hb can't change the ruling on the tgc tours comps. I'm not going on hb's website when it sounds quite obvious that they won't be doing anything. So for me the only thing that can be done is the tours to say unfortunately you can't play unless you get a controller that works how it should. It's only the same as the last game where people who controller had a deadspot were made to change I could re-work my swing to make it longer. It is not the controller's fault. What you are angling at (I think) is to tighten TGCT's API and kick out a wider range of players. Now you are upsetting more and more of the user base here and will kick out more and more legit users who will even have full lines. They are caught in a catch-22 here.
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Post by t2theb2 on Jan 30, 2019 13:16:48 GMT -5
I wasn't going after anybody just merely pointing out it should not be allowed no matter who's fault it is. But now you have given me your view I am a little shocked. I have all ways got on with you Bob so this is no witch hunt. I am however a little surprised your happy playing with an advantage. As for the advantage over pc and Xbox I have no idea. As I only play against players on ps4 and having even played on the tours since the new game. But if you told me there was something I could do to level it out with them I would.
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Post by t2theb2 on Jan 30, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
But from the sounds of things we cannot level anything out across the platforms without hb doing something. But we can either get people to learn to swing full or get a new controller. Not everybody will agree but that is my honest view and won't be playing unless it was ever to happen as I'd rather not waste my time
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:23:22 GMT -5
I wasn't going after anybody just merely pointing out it should not be allowed no matter who's fault it is. But now you have given me your view I am a little shocked. I have all ways got on with you Bob so this is no witch hunt. I am however a little surprised your happy playing with an advantage. As for the advantage over pc and Xbox I have no idea. As I only play against players on ps4 and having even played on the tours since the new game. But if you told me there was something I could do to level it out with them I would. Never failed an API check, not once. Two per week here on regular tours since TGC2 came out and same this year with one/two on TST as well.
You expect me to alter my swing because the peanut gallery here are unhappy? Really? I have not altered anything in my physical swing from TGC2 to TGC2019. To be honest it is easier now since I don't have to look down much (only when I am off) now vs. I always had to in TGC2.
XB1 has a massive tempo disadvantage with Master clubs and TGCTours has shown statistical data to this end. We aren't playing the same game as them either. So to that end if you want it not allowed, you should also be for platform specific leaderboards here as well.
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Post by SloanerTW on Jan 30, 2019 13:25:29 GMT -5
My only gripe about the swing is I spent about 2- 3 months figuring it out and finally got consistency with only to be dq'd. I was just doing what others have done their whole career.
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