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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 27, 2019 14:30:48 GMT -5
Just to clarify what people are saying here. Short swinging enables the user to hit the ball dead straight every time, hit perfect distances, judge the wind perfectly, judge elevation perfectly, judge lie perfectly, read the greens perfectly and hit putts with a perfect weight every time? didnt see anyone say that, but it is a big advantage having a short swing most people who complete a full line will miss the cone on the last 5-10% so somebody that has a short swing wont suffer as much because they do not reach the last 5-10%, how many winners on the pga tour have been short swingers this year compared to full swingers? I won the TOC by a shot. Mainly on the back of shooting the best round ever in franchise history -21 in r2 where I made literally every putt. Takes the stars to align to compete out here these days.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jan 27, 2019 14:48:26 GMT -5
Yea, same as Mitch, my W's were from ridiculous "in the zone" things, mostly putting when I get in a groove. I think I have a good enough interpretation of the shot elements at play, and have a pretty good touch on the greens (though not as much lately), that I am able to overcome shot execution that isn't as "straight" in terms of ball flight as some of the videos I see from ps4 guys. Take this event, for example. I putted the eyes out of it in the last 2 rounds, especially round 3, but I can't consistently hit it as close to the hole as a lot of the other guys here, I have to hope that I'm putting well to contend. And that's not a complaint btw, this is just a video game, I won't be losing sleep over it - but I also know that I'm not playing on a "level" platform, as is evidence by that second shot of Rawsy's that was linked, alone.
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Post by GW_Hope on Jan 27, 2019 15:02:12 GMT -5
This was from HB Craig way back at beginning of the season. This is the root of tbe issues we are seeing.
Previous iterations on the swing input (TGC1 and 2) incorporated various mechanisms to adjust accuracy based on swing difficulty/Club set. We found that artificially adding difficulty in this manner was all but impossile to balance with the new approach to swinging and made tracking down bugs an unecessary headache. This was all culled out for TGC2019 to put the control into your hands - upping the skill aspect of the gameplay
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 27, 2019 15:04:21 GMT -5
Yea, same as Mitch, my W's were from ridiculous "in the zone" things, mostly putting when I get in a groove. I think I have a good enough interpretation of the shot elements at play, and have a pretty good touch on the greens (though not as much lately), that I am able to overcome shot execution that isn't as "straight" in terms of ball flight as some of the videos I see from ps4 guys. Take this event, for example. I putted the eyes out of it in the last 2 rounds, especially round 3, but I can't consistently hit it as close to the hole as a lot of the other guys here, I have to hope that I'm putting well to contend. And that's not a complaint btw, this is just a video game, I won't be losing sleep over it - but I also know that I'm not playing on a "level" platform, as is evidence by that second shot of Rawsy's that was linked, alone. Justin, If you were to play yourself as a short swinger, how many shots per week would you be giving up? Edit: grammar
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jan 27, 2019 15:25:51 GMT -5
Yea, same as Mitch, my W's were from ridiculous "in the zone" things, mostly putting when I get in a groove. I think I have a good enough interpretation of the shot elements at play, and have a pretty good touch on the greens (though not as much lately), that I am able to overcome shot execution that isn't as "straight" in terms of ball flight as some of the videos I see from ps4 guys. Take this event, for example. I putted the eyes out of it in the last 2 rounds, especially round 3, but I can't consistently hit it as close to the hole as a lot of the other guys here, I have to hope that I'm putting well to contend. And that's not a complaint btw, this is just a video game, I won't be losing sleep over it - but I also know that I'm not playing on a "level" platform, as is evidence by that second shot of Rawsy's that was linked, alone. Justin, If you were to play yourself as a short swinger, how many shots per week would you be giving up? Edit: grammar Dude I have absolutely no idea lol I can only speak to how the game performs for me on any given day, but that's kind of this thing with this iteration of tgc, it's so different based on platform/controller/time of day, that it's just an inherently uneven playing field. If you were to tell me, back in tgc2, that the next version of the game would give even more of an advantage to ps4 players, I wouldn't have believed it, but here we are. I tried to replicate the "flick" after this entire discussion began a while back, but even when I get the short lines (which does happen to me from time to time), my ball doesn't fly anywhere near as straight off the club-face (i.e., no big push/pull) it does for those guys on PS4, so I honestly have no clue - but your point is well taken.
I've said this to a few others, but when the last patch was released which fixed the "tracking" issues with swing line as it relates to mouse play on the PC, the game started giving me much, much larger push/pull misses. I have to assume that the swing input mech changed on PC at that time to accommodate the mouse players. It makes sense that they would have to change general input mechanics to get the mouse input to be "fixed," and the game hasn't played the same for me since. That's a PC thing, and the few of my fellow controller using PC players would likely echo similar experiences (I think). It irritates me that I'm playing at a disadvantage, but at the end of the day, it is what it is, just glad I was able to have a few awesome performances here and in the Ryder Cup, and will just play the game for fun...since it's a game...and hope for the best - maybe another full flow-state putting performance for a few hours is in my future, who knows.
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Post by CuseHokie on Jan 27, 2019 15:32:58 GMT -5
Justin, If you were to play yourself as a short swinger, how many shots per week would you be giving up? Edit: grammar Dude I have absolutely no idea lol I can only speak to how the game performs for me on any given day, but that's kind of this thing with this iteration of tgc, it's so different based on platform/controller/time of day, that it's just an inherently uneven playing field. If you were to tell me, back in tgc2, that the next version of the game would give even more of an advantage to ps4 players, I wouldn't have believed it, but here we are. I tried to replicate the "flick" after this entire discussion began a while back, but even when I get the short lines (which does happen to me from time to time), my ball doesn't fly anywhere near as straight off the club-face (i.e., no big push/pull) it does for those guys on PS4, so I honestly have no clue - but your point is well taken.
I've said this to a few others, but when the last patch was released which fixed the "tracking" issues with swing line as it relates to mouse play on the PC, the game started giving me much, much larger push/pull misses. I have to assume that the swing input mech changed on PC at that time to accommodate the mouse players. It makes sense that they would have to change general input mechanics to get the mouse input to be "fixed," and the game hasn't played the same for me since. That's a PC thing, and the few of my fellow controller using PC players would likely echo similar experiences (I think). It irritates me that I'm playing at a disadvantage, but at the end of the day, it is what it is, just glad I was able to have a few awesome performances here and in the Ryder Cup, and will just play the game for fun...since it's a game...and hope for the best - maybe another full flow-state putting performance for a few hours is in my future, who knows.
You could run for Congress. Simple one word answer and you give me a book (edit- that doesn’t answer it). Hahaha.
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 27, 2019 15:55:24 GMT -5
So is it safe to say that a vast majority of the top ranked players use the flick method? It is frustrating to read players on societies every day complaining about people cheating , but no one is cheating and although there are only a small percentage of players who actually post messages on here , there are a lot more people who actually read the posts from the top players . And when players ask How the hell can the top players shoot great scores most of the time, now I know the answer , by flicking , not by cheating , so I think it’s important to share that info , because this game needs as many players as possible , rather than people getting angry and frustrated because they can’t shoot great scores . There are around 3000 tgc tours players , it would be nice to have more , rather than people giving up because they can’t fiigure out how to compete with the best . And yes , it takes time and effort , but at least now hopefully everyone who reads all this will understand that no one is cheating ! Dear lord, you can take information in and regurgitate some rubbish. Some, some, in fact I’ll say few... not all players near the top use a swing method that can end up short. They don’t even mean it mostly. Some are using a short swing method to exploit a system flaw. Most that can’t compete with the beat simply aren’t as good. Period. There is no magic wand. So maybe make sure that people know that. As Dave rightly says, you’ve still got to calculate it all and putt , but the short swing is without doubt reducing distance from the pin on off centre shots and enabling lofting without the same penalty as full swingers.
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Post by vivamexico on Jan 27, 2019 16:04:35 GMT -5
I asked a question , hence the question mark smart arse
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 27, 2019 17:06:00 GMT -5
I asked a question , hence the question mark smart arse And when players ask How the hell can the top players shoot great scores most of the time, now I know the answer , by flicking , not by cheating , so I think it’s important to share that info , because this game needs as many players as possible , rather than people getting angry and frustrated because they can’t shoot great scores . There are around 3000 tgc tours players , it would be nice to have more , rather than people giving up because they can’t fiigure out how to compete with the best. Alright glossy dick. Nice question.
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Post by vivamexico on Jan 27, 2019 17:32:56 GMT -5
🙄🙄🙄last word , bye 👍🏻
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Post by Dave on Jan 27, 2019 18:03:54 GMT -5
Tempo ruins this game, not short swinging.
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Post by Mark (Kram) on Jan 30, 2019 0:42:01 GMT -5
I don't understand this thread. What is a short, flick like swing? Is it actually a short swing or are you referring to the line in the cone?
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Post by fadgewacker on Jan 30, 2019 1:56:54 GMT -5
I don't understand this thread. What is a short, flick like swing? Is it actually a short swing or are you referring to the line in the cone? I’ll give you a call mate. It’d be much easier.
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Post by ijs1543 on Jan 30, 2019 11:48:54 GMT -5
I don't understand this thread. What is a short, flick like swing? Is it actually a short swing or are you referring to the line in the cone? Take a look at the video smiling goats put up on page 14, thats a short swing and the advantage is huge pretty pointless trying to compete with that, if you have a full swing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 12:08:54 GMT -5
It's amazing how some people using the same controller (DS4) can't compete with others. It's almost like they are implying something else...
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