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Post by TimB on Sept 13, 2016 11:33:21 GMT -5
Can some designer please design a course with the stated requirements?
I would love to see the Wags vs Sweeny match up streamed.
All in good fun of course.
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Post by staypuft39 on Sept 13, 2016 11:35:15 GMT -5
Wags logic: From "I can't compete in web on easier courses" to "I can beat Sweeney on an easy course" ...in 5 minutes. Again, on a hard course against Ian I have ZERO chance. He will beat me by a good 10 strokes. On an easy course, it is going to be a MUCH closer match and YES, I will at least have a CHANCE to beat him. That is all I am saying. Put us both on flat green courses where I know I can shoot 54. How much is he going to beat me by without pulling out ace's and eagles? Not much if at all, right? But he will eagle and HIO. Probably a lot, if the course is so easy that you can shoot a bloody 54. To pretend he wouldn't hole out is ridiculous. Like me saying I could beat up Mike Tyson if he could only punch with his pinkies. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 11:35:33 GMT -5
Can some designer please design a course with the stated requirements? I would love to see the Wags vs Sweeny match up streamed. All in good fun of course. I would love to see it to, just to prove my point. It is only the difficulty that separates the men from the boys, not the ease. |
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Post by Airik3333 on Sept 13, 2016 11:36:47 GMT -5
Let's cancel the Ryder Cup and have a Wags vs. Sweeney 18 hole match on Little Brook instead. I would pay $$$ to watch that matchup Twitched.. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 11:37:24 GMT -5
Again, on a hard course against Ian I have ZERO chance. He will beat me by a good 10 strokes. On an easy course, it is going to be a MUCH closer match and YES, I will at least have a CHANCE to beat him. That is all I am saying. Put us both on flat green courses where I know I can shoot 54. How much is he going to beat me by without pulling out ace's and eagles? Not much if at all, right? But he will eagle and HIO. Probably a lot, if the course is so easy that you can shoot a bloody 54. To pretend he wouldn't hole out is ridiculous. Like me saying I could beat up Mike Tyson if he could only punch with his pinkies. Then let's see him do it. Let's see him play a perfectly flat green course and shoot 50 or 48 or whatever. Let's see him do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 11:37:48 GMT -5
Again, on a hard course against Ian I have ZERO chance. He will beat me by a good 10 strokes. On an easy course, it is going to be a MUCH closer match and YES, I will at least have a CHANCE to beat him. That is all I am saying. Put us both on flat green courses where I know I can shoot 54. How much is he going to beat me by without pulling out ace's and eagles? Not much if at all, right? But he will eagle and HIO. Probably a lot, if the course is so easy that you can shoot a bloody 54. To pretend he wouldn't hole out is ridiculous. Like me saying I could beat up Mike Tyson if he could only punch with his pinkies. Kenny Willis thought he could beat Ian and ended up looking like Jerry  |
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Post by r0nrun on Sept 13, 2016 11:38:23 GMT -5
i only see 1 issue here....the LOFTERS might leave  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 11:40:53 GMT -5
Let's cancel the Ryder Cup and have a Wags vs. Sweeney 18 hole match on Little Brook instead. Actually, this is what we need to do in order to prove my point. We have Ian and myself play a very hard course first and see how much he beats me by. Probably about 10 strokes. Maybe even 12 to 14. Then, we have us play an easy course and watch the difference in our scores plummet. That is my point. That is my ONLY point. You cannot water down the difficult without creating more parity in the results. One shot could very well mean a 20 to 30 place spread. |
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Post by staypuft39 on Sept 13, 2016 11:42:36 GMT -5
But he will eagle and HIO. Probably a lot, if the course is so easy that you can shoot a bloody 54. To pretend he wouldn't hole out is ridiculous. Like me saying I could beat up Mike Tyson if he could only punch with his pinkies. Then let's see him do it. Let's see him play a perfectly flat green course and shoot 50 or 48 or whatever. Let's see him do it. LOLOL wait until his 3rd round score is posted in this week's euro tourney. He doesn't need a pitch n' putt to shoot 52. And now you want a "perfectly flat green"? So...just pull back and release and every putt goes in? Ok maybe he'll only beat you by 4. |
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Post by mrooola on Sept 13, 2016 11:45:04 GMT -5
I personally don't see why a tye Dunes and a crooked stick could not be scheduled on the same month as they both work well under those conditions. While I think a lot of us have no issues with firm courses done right - there are just as many (if not more) that don't enjoy even the best laid out firm courses. Just consider Season 2 the year of the firm so if you enjoy the firm courses you got your fix more often than not this season. Season 3 will be more for the medium firm folk with a bit less firm on the menu (but not removed entirely). Also I'm trying to dial back the course difficulty in general across the tours and ride out TGC1 in style - still up to the designers and schedulers to provide/find courses that fit that description. We want a variety of styles & difficulties - I think you can still get that even when 75% of the courses will be medium/soft firm. Huh? Not sure you read that entire post m8. I think I pretty much said exactly what you just did. I said I supported the decission for the greater good of tgct. That the aim for s.3 was not about competition, but to keep most players happy and engaged until we get to a point where we jump to tgc2. The decision is made to hopefully see less of all these burnouts. I mentioned that I personally don't see a problem using 2 firm courses that are setup correctly in the same month but I support this decission for the greater good. I see your reasoning and I support it. As I mentioned earlier in this thread I would have liked to see 1 firm and 1 mixed / month or 2 mixed as a maximum, but that I am all for this new direction. Maybe I got it all wrong. Ah well. I prefer medium myself anyway so no need for me to comment anymore. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 13, 2016 11:46:40 GMT -5
i only see 1 issue here....the LOFTERS might leave Well no, they won't. But hopefully the people b%&ing about them every week will shut up  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 11:47:59 GMT -5
Then let's see him do it. Let's see him play a perfectly flat green course and shoot 50 or 48 or whatever. Let's see him do it. LOLOL wait until his 3rd round score is posted in this week's euro tourney. He doesn't need a pitch n' putt to shoot 52. And now you want a "perfectly flat green"? So...just pull back and release and every putt goes in? Ok maybe he'll only beat you by 4. Thank you. You just proved my point. The easier the course, the more parity between the golfers. Scores aren't as spread out as much. Instead of 1 shot only costing you maybe 7 or 8 spots on the leader board, now we're talking about 1 shot possibly costing you 20 to 25 shots on the leader board. And the beauty of all this is that you can easily see the results for yourself once season 3 starts. Wait until you see the log jam all the way through. If you think it was competitive now, you ain't seen nothing yet. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Sept 13, 2016 11:48:33 GMT -5
Not to deviate off of the whole drama going on here...
but I tend to agree that I'd much rather see a varied setup for each tour.. tee's/pin's/fairway and green firmness and speed, then a course that's just all straight medium. I think some of the best laid out firm courses would be a blast to play in medium.
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Post by Timbr0_T on Sept 13, 2016 11:49:16 GMT -5
Let's cancel the Ryder Cup and have a Wags vs. Sweeney 18 hole match on Little Brook instead. Actually, this is what we need to do in order to prove my point. We have Ian and myself play a very hard course first and see how much he beats me by. Probably about 10 strokes. Maybe even 12 to 14. Then, we have us play an easy course and watch the difference in our scores plummet. That is my point. That is my ONLY point. You cannot water down the difficult without creating more parity in the results. One shot could very well mean a 20 to 30 place spread. I don't doubt you are correct but no one has ever said we are going to be playing super easy courses now. Extreme examples like yours don't prove anything relevant or meaningful. |
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Post by staypuft39 on Sept 13, 2016 11:50:10 GMT -5
LOLOL wait until his 3rd round score is posted in this week's euro tourney. He doesn't need a pitch n' putt to shoot 52. And now you want a "perfectly flat green"? So...just pull back and release and every putt goes in? Ok maybe he'll only beat you by 4. Thank you. You just proved my point. The easier the course, the more parity between the golfers. Scores aren't as spread out as much. Instead of 1 shot only costing you maybe 7 or 8 spots on the leader board, now we're talking about 1 shot possibly costing you 20 to 25 shots on the leader board. And the beauty of all this is that you can easily see the results for yourself once season 3 starts. Wait until you see the log jam all the way through. If you think it was competitive now, you ain't seen nothing yet. Oh I never argued that point. I just argued that you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever...beat Ian Sweeney. Saying something that dumb kind of reduces focus on your point. |
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