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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2016 17:47:22 GMT -5
Updated Firm Green Policy (effective December)PGA/European Tour- Max 8 firm green pinsets per month
Web.com Tour- Max 6 firm green pinsets per month
CC-Pro- Max 4 firm green pinsets per month
CC-AmBiggest change is that the limit is now based off pinsets. So CC-Pro can now have 4 events in December, each with 1 pinset with firm greens for instance. Keep in mind that these are max values and that the schedulers have been instructed to make wise choices when assigning firm greens - just because your tour has a max allotment doesn't mean that you be playing that many firm setups each month.
I want to let all TGCT members know the mandate I've given our schedulers for Season 3 (starting October 10th)
Firm Green Policy
1. Max 1 firm green course per month per tour
2. Courses with mixed conditions that include at least 1 firm green count towards #1
Designers
I have given the Schedulers the power to dictate the green firmness they require to fill out the schedule. If you have a course with firm greens and they request medium firm versions - you are perfectly within your right to refuse the change - the schedulers will then either attempt to slot your course in at a later date or pass on it entirely.
Why?
Many members at TGCT tolerate firm greens. Many detest them. Very few prefer/enjoy them. Lots of people are suffering from TGC burnout and firm greens aren't helping ease that one bit. Should be a noticeable difference in Season 3.
Note:
We are not looking for realistic scores! If anyone says we are - please point them to this official statement and then put them in the timeout corner!
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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2016 17:48:57 GMT -5
Now having said that - some of the schedules for Season 3 are already well in motion - so this will be a soft launch with a few extra firms here or there - but come November it will be in full swing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 17:59:07 GMT -5
Is this for regular tour stops and exclude invite events like Majors and WGCs?
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Post by seamount4life on Sept 12, 2016 17:59:34 GMT -5
Best news I have heard in a while!
Thanks Doyley!
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Post by settlerofcatan on Sept 12, 2016 18:04:25 GMT -5
Fantastic news, especially for this member in the group suffering burnout!! Firm courses were always frustrating to me, so I welcome this change whole heartedly.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 12, 2016 18:06:57 GMT -5
Thats a good step IMO. Tbh i dont mind firm courses as long as it was designed to accommodate firm greens. Some of the best course in the game are firm and have very creative greens that always seem to allow a good shot to be rewarded.
I like medium and soft greens too but wat i dont like is ridiculous ski sloping greens with pins on slopes. If this is the direction tgct is headed I think the burn outs will still continue.
We'll wait n see though. Im glad a change has been made and it appears some of our concerns have been listened to.
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Post by Airik3333 on Sept 12, 2016 18:09:04 GMT -5
I prefer firmer-faster greens.. I feel like I have a chance to hang with the better players on a tougher track.. With softer greens a Par will feel like a bogey.. But I can adapt.. Bring on the dart boards !!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 18:11:42 GMT -5
I see an issue with rule #2. I think some good setups can change firmness throughout an event. If someone chooses to go with 2 firm and 2 medium (ideally one of each before and after the cut), that counts toward that months' firm quota? I think thats exactly what we need more of, IMO.
I can just see 4 mediums with 187 greens along with jacked pins coming.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 18:15:06 GMT -5
Designers If you have a firm course and they request medium firm versions - you are perfectly within your right to refuse the change - the schedulers will then either attempt to slot your course in at a later date or pass on it entirely. Medium-firm exists?!?! |
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Post by Airik3333 on Sept 12, 2016 18:20:57 GMT -5
Seems to me there are three options.. Soft as Sponge.. Bouncy Soft.. Hard as a Brick..
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 12, 2016 18:27:04 GMT -5
I see an issue with rule #2. I think some good setups can change firmness throughout an event. If someone chooses to go with 2 firm and 2 medium (ideally one of each before and after the cut), that counts toward that months' firm quota? I think thats exactly what we need more of, IMO. I can just see 4 mediums with 187 greens along with jacked pins coming. Thats what im fearing too. Typically what id like too see from each event if possible is 3 different firmness setting used- Soft, Medium & Firm 4 different green speeds used for eg- 125, 145, 165, 175 (leave 187s for big events). Pins- A good selection of easy, medium & hard over the 4 rnds. Id like to see the ski sloping greens abolished. More thought and creativity shud be used for greens. Courses- Id like to see a selection of season 1 courses used again. Theres no shame in re-usin previous courses. Id hav somethin like 1 in every 4 courses being a course we previously used if possible. The events jus need to be fun again IMO. And for me thats by havin a tough but fair challenge on the pro tours. Jus to finish on the firmness thing its not that firm greens shud be gotten rid of its that tricked up firm courses shud be consigned to the dust bin. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 18:31:27 GMT -5
I see an issue with rule #2. I think some good setups can change firmness throughout an event. If someone chooses to go with 2 firm and 2 medium (ideally one of each before and after the cut), that counts toward that months' firm quota? I think thats exactly what we need more of, IMO. I can just see 4 mediums with 187 greens along with jacked pins coming. Thats what im fearing too. Typically what id like too see from each event if possible is 3 different firmness setting used- Soft, Medium & Firm 4 different green speeds used for eg- 125, 145, 165, 175 (leave 187s for big events). Pins- A good selection of easy, medium & hard over the 4 rnds. Id like to see the ski sloping greens abolished. More thought and creativity shud be used for greens. Courses- Id like to see a selection of season 1 courses used again. Theres no shame in re-usin previous courses. Id hav somethin like 1 in every 4 courses being a course we previously used if possible. The events jus need to be fun again IMO. And for me thats by havin a tough but fair challenge on the pro tours. Jus to finish on the firmness thing its not that firm greens shud be gotten rid of its that tricked up firm courses shud be consigned to the dust bin. I also can see this one being used more to 'defend' courses since most regular events won't use firm greens. |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Sept 12, 2016 18:35:32 GMT -5
Let's just see how it pans out men I'm worried aswell we could just have to play on Crazycanuck1985 courses and crazycanucks fanboys courses till tgc2 comes out haha. But seriously it's worth a shot IMO new season new standard and actually what do I care I'm taking a break for season 3 haha. As you were |
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Post by staypuft39 on Sept 12, 2016 18:47:55 GMT -5
Designers If you have a firm course and they request medium firm versions - you are perfectly within your right to refuse the change - the schedulers will then either attempt to slot your course in at a later date or pass on it entirely. Medium-firm exists?!?! I think he means medium firmNESS. |
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Post by Airik3333 on Sept 12, 2016 18:51:40 GMT -5
Sounds like everyone wants..
Soft Greens with not much break..
Hmmm'''
72 under is possible for Mr. Ian Sweeney in those conditions.. And he would probably only win by 1...
A course needs some defense other than the wind.. If you have soft greens with no big breaks these guys around here will rip it up.. A Par will be the new Bogey.. I guess designers could make the holes 5 miles long to make everyone hit accurate long irons into the green..
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