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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 18:56:06 GMT -5
Sounds like everyone wants.. Soft Greens with not much break.. Hmmm''' 72 under is possible for Mr. Ian Sweeney in those conditions.. And he would probably only win by 1... A course needs some defense other than the wind.. If you have soft greens with no big breaks these guys around here will rip it up.. A Par will be the new Bogey.. I guess designers could make the holes 5 miles long to make everyone hit accurate long irons into the green.. I actually want a mix on the top tours of medium and firm with less 187s, more green speed variance. Not wanting soft setups unless a designer puts in a day of rain. |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2016 19:05:43 GMT -5
Is this for regular tour stops and exclude invite events like Majors and WGCs? Majors and WGC events included |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2016 19:12:21 GMT -5
1 in 4 (or 5 depending on the month) courses can still be firm - I think that's a good ratio - which will likely be filled by carefully vetted firm courses. Keep in mind that we're likely to have a shortened season with TGC2 on the horizon - so it won't be overkill by any means.
I like the idea of going back and re-using courses but the issue is that so many good courses have come out by so many designers that I feel priority should be given to them if warranted.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2016 19:15:30 GMT -5
I prefer firmer-faster greens.. I feel like I have a chance to hang with the better players on a tougher track.. With softer greens a Par will feel like a bogey.. But I can adapt.. Bring on the dart boards !!! I've seen it posted a few times recently where people don't care what the score is - that the best player will win the event. I'm on board with that to an extent - I get a twitch in my neck if I see a winner shoot better than 70-under but other than that, it's all fair game. |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 12, 2016 19:19:50 GMT -5
Is this for regular tour stops and exclude invite events like Majors and WGCs? Majors and WGC events included BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2016 19:23:19 GMT -5
Majors and WGC events included BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Don't see it affecting much - I'll follow the schedule of whichever tour the event turns up on - so since the US Open is on PGA and The Open is on Euro - technically they could both be firm even though they are weeks apart. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 12, 2016 19:26:19 GMT -5
Majors and WGC events included BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 12, 2016 19:29:31 GMT -5
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Don't see it affecting much - I'll follow the schedule of whichever tour the event turns up on - so since the US Open is on PGA and The Open is on Euro - technically they could both be firm even though they are weeks apart. As long as we keeping picking the courses that smurf don't like ill be happy |
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Post by csabo17 on Sept 12, 2016 19:31:47 GMT -5
Best news ive read all day. I couldnt be happier!
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Post by csabo17 on Sept 12, 2016 19:33:37 GMT -5
Does this mean pga and euro also? I might actually fight to get out of web now!!!
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Post by jtcurrent on Sept 12, 2016 19:39:28 GMT -5
1 in 4 (or 5 depending on the month) courses can still be firm - I think that's a good ratio - which will likely be filled by carefully vetted firm courses. Keep in mind that we're likely to have a shortened season with TGC2 on the horizon - so it won't be overkill by any means. I like the idea of going back and re-using courses but the issue is that so many good courses have come out by so many designers that I feel priority should be given to them if warranted. Based on this post do you foresee season 3 going through the V2 release and then a restart? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 19:43:40 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents so please take this in the spirit in which it's intended.
I think this is a terrible idea. Essentially, challenge wise, this makes it so that there is almost no difference between playing in the PGA or playing in CC. One course won't be that much harder than another 75% of the time. It takes away tons of the prestige of being a PGA or Euro member especially if they're essentially playing CC difficulty courses. The only thing, and I do mean the ONLY thing that makes a course difficult for me with very few exceptions is the green firmness. Even the speed doesn't affect me that much as it's pretty easy to adjust to. But firmness. That's pretty much the whole kettle of fish.
Forgetting about realism in scores (because we don't have that anyway) what is going to happen is you're going to have most players in the upper tiers separated by a few strokes all the way down the line. The courses where that one round of firm greens sent me from a 64 to a 69 is suddenly going to have me shoot another 64, more or less. Suddenly, instead of being in the lower 60s, I'm going to be, depending on essentially the luck of a few bounces, anywhere from top 10 to lower 60s. It will be a total crap shoot.
The main thing separating the best golfers from the lesser golfers was the green firmness. You take that away 75% of the time and it's going to be a free for all.
Now I know most golfers will probably welcome that and be totally thrilled with it. But wait until that have that one less than 100% drive or that one lip out or whatever bad break they get that leaves them 1 or 2 strokes short of a top 10 and instead lands them tied for 40th or whatever. In a way, this is actually going to make it tougher for everybody to compete knowing that one bad shot can pretty much destroy the entire tourney.
And yes, I know. This coming from the guy who doesn't want to play in the PGA because most of the courses are firm conditions. But with this change, eh, what does it matter? I get a lucky week in Web where shots just happen to fall and suddenly I have an exemption and am playing in the PGA. Except my weekly experience isn't going to be much different from my weekly experience in Web. The courses, by nature of the rules changes, simply can't be that much harder. At least not until TGC 2 comes out and the tee to fairway game becomes harder. Right now, with very few exceptions, even the toughest PGA courses have an easy tee to fairway game. Take away the firm conditions and you have a watered down league.
Remember, this is not real life. It's a video game. And essentially, it's a very easy video game once you learn some basic things. The only tough part is green firmness, especially with tucked pins. Suddenly, instead of having to putt from 30 feet away or even aim for the rough and play the chip shot, you're putting from 10 feet away.
Mark my words on this date (9/12/2016). This is going to turn out to be a more frustrating experience for most golfers than what they're going through now when one stroke can mean the difference between top 10 and 40th place. Because most golfers are going to be all bunched together in the upper tiers. Naturally, this has little effect on CC as they have very few firm greens anyway.
Bottom Line: I'd rather lose that stroke or two because of a firm green than a lip out or less than 100% shot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 19:48:50 GMT -5
wagtunes, give Midnight Sun a try. Especially setup E. That is the Ryder Cup singles round. All Ryder Cup setups are slow or medium firmness. Lemme know what you think. There are ways to "trick up" a non-firm setup for sure.
In the end, we play against the opponents in our tour. Gotta remember that.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2016 19:49:16 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents so please take this in the spirit in which it's intended. I think this is a terrible idea. Essentially, challenge wise, this makes it so that there is almost no difference between playing in the PGA or playing in CC. One course won't be that much harder than another 75% of the time. It takes away tons of the prestige of being a PGA or Euro member especially if they're essentially playing CC difficulty courses. The only thing, and I do mean the ONLY thing that makes a course difficult for me with very few exceptions is the green firmness. Even the speed doesn't affect me that much as it's pretty easy to adjust to. But firmness. That's pretty much the whole kettle of fish. Forgetting about realism in scores (because we don't have that anyway) what is going to happen is you're going to have most players in the upper tiers separated by a few strokes all the way down the line. The courses where that one round of firm greens sent me from a 64 to a 69 is suddenly going to have me shoot another 64, more or less. Suddenly, instead of being in the lower 60s, I'm going to be, depending on essentially the luck of a few bounces, anywhere from top 10 to lower 60s. It will be a total crap shoot. The main thing separating the best golfers from the lesser golfers was the green firmness. You take that away 75% of the time and it's going to be a free for all. Now I know most golfers will probably welcome that and be totally thrilled with it. But wait until that have that one less than 100% drive or that one lip out or whatever bad break they get that leaves them 1 or 2 strokes short of a top 10 and instead lands them tied for 40th or whatever. In a way, this is actually going to make it tougher for everybody to compete knowing that one bad shot can pretty much destroy the entire tourney. And yes, I know. This coming from the guy who doesn't want to play in the PGA because most of the courses are firm conditions. But with this change, eh, what does it matter? I get a lucky week in Web where shots just happen to fall and suddenly I have an exemption and am playing in the PGA. Except my weekly experience isn't going to be much different from my weekly experience in Web. The courses, by nature of the rules changes, simply can't be that much harder. At least not until TGC 2 comes out and the tee to fairway game becomes harder. Right now, with very few exceptions, even the toughest PGA courses have an easy tee to fairway game. Take away the firm conditions and you have a watered down league. Remember, this is not real life. It's a video game. And essentially, it's a very easy video game once you learn some basic things. The only tough part is green firmness, especially with tucked pins. Suddenly, instead of having to putt from 30 feet away or even aim for the rough and play the chip shot, you're putting from 10 feet away. Mark my words on this date (9/12/2016). This is going to turn out to be a more frustrating experience for most golfers than what they're going through now when one stroke can mean the difference between top 10 and 40th place. Because most golfers are going to be all bunched together in the upper tiers. Naturally, this has little effect on CC as they have very few firm greens anyway. Bottom Line: I'd rather lose that stroke or two because of a firm green than a lip out or less than 100% shot. "you never disappoint wagssiee" - Jerry the avatar |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 12, 2016 19:50:39 GMT -5
wagtunes, give Midnight Sun a try. Especially setup E. That is the Ryder Cup singles round. All Ryder Cup setups are slow or medium firmness. Lemme know what you think. There are ways to "trick up" a non-firm setup for sure. In the end, we play against the opponents in our tour. Gotta remember that. that's a great course mate |
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