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Post by dustin on Jul 13, 2016 0:22:21 GMT -5
My question is, are we only looking at the line closest to the golfers feet? Thats is what has got me confused, which line or lines should we concentrate on getting "flat and even"? On long putts there are many lines between the golfer and hole. In the video it looks like you are only looking at the line closest to the golfers feet. Is this the only one we need to look at while trying this tip?
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Post by boomboom on Jul 13, 2016 3:46:59 GMT -5
My question is, are we only looking at the line closest to the golfers feet? Thats is what has got me confused, which line or lines should we concentrate on getting "flat and even"? On long putts there are many lines between the golfer and hole. In the video it looks like you are only looking at the line closest to the golfers feet. Is this the only one we need to look at while trying this tip? As stated a few times, its a start. Common sense dictates that the entire break between the ball and the hole must be considered. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 5:59:26 GMT -5
My question is, are we only looking at the line closest to the golfers feet? Thats is what has got me confused, which line or lines should we concentrate on getting "flat and even"? On long putts there are many lines between the golfer and hole. In the video it looks like you are only looking at the line closest to the golfers feet. Is this the only one we need to look at while trying this tip? Dustin, I have discovered (and I am sure that boomboom will correct me if I am wrong) that under normal conditions, where the break is consistent from golfer to hole, the first line is going straight is all you need. However, let's say the break doesn't actually begin until the 3rd line from the golfer. In that case, THAT'S the line you want to look at. In cases where the break varies (right to left half way down and left to right the other half) then you have to start using some common sense. Let's say you have a 20 foot putt. The first 10 feet the ball is breaking sharp right to left. Using the flat line method and using only the first line, you discover that to get the ball into the hole you need to place your marker 2 whole lines to the right of the pin. But wait. Once that ball hits the 10 foot mark, it's actually going to start coming back the other way by the same amount assuming the same size break. So what do you do? Common sense tells me to halve the distance. So instead of placing my marker 2 whole lines from the pin, I place it just one whole line. Doing that, this is what I expect to happen. The ball will break sharp to the left the first 10 feet and actually go past where the pin is to the left. But, as it hits the 10 foot mark, it's going to come back the other way and actually start going towards the pin. Now, here's the kicker. If I find that doing that the ball still ends up right of the pin, that tells me that in reality, given the same size break in the other direction at the 10 foot mark, I actually want to hit the ball straight at the pin. In fact, I have done this on quite a few holes in practice and tourneys and that's exactly what happens. Things start getting really tricky when you have a sharp break for 10 feet and then a half break for the next 10 feet going the other way, or even in the same direction. That's where just using the closest line to the golfer isn't going to help much. It's a start, but more likely than not, you're going to miss the hole. This isn't an "any monkey can press a button and make this work" system. You do, at times, need to put some thought into it. Not every scenario is going to be an easy read. But let me tell you, the ones that are, I don't care if the putt is 40 feet away. As long as it's a consistent break from golfer to hole, you're going to putt that ball in the hole as long as you correctly spot the point where the flat line occurs. I find this to be more accurate than any other system I've used. |
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Post by csabo17 on Jul 13, 2016 6:44:56 GMT -5
I nailed a few tonight. Took me some time to get used to. And like you said it doesnt work every time, but if you keep your approaches within about 15 feet you should be pretty close.
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Post by mde8965 on Jul 13, 2016 8:59:24 GMT -5
Oh man. I just had a Homer Simpson "D'oh!" moment here. I was wondering for a couple weeks now why I could rarely get this method of judging putting to work for me. I even read the post and watched the wagtunes video with the arrow. The guy above that questioned why use the line "closest to the golfers feet" is what did it. I was using the line closest to the hole. Which, with anything more than about a 10 ft putt you really have a hard time telling when the line goes flat. I just thought I was blind
I cannot wait to get home tonight and put some more practice time in on this...
Thanks to all
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Post by dustin on Jul 13, 2016 16:16:42 GMT -5
boomboom, oh I fully understand the common sense comes into play as well, I was just trying to get more clarification on your tip  Some say "common sense, is just not that common" -Unknown hahahahahha @wagtunes, it makes sense to use the one closest to the golfers feet, for one thing, that is the only line that seems clear enough to see when it goes flat and even. Also, yes if I see a line with countering breaks, and its a fair distance putt, ill just aim straight at the hole with what I hope is the correct power and get lucky, have sunk a few with countering break this way.
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Post by nantez88 on Jul 13, 2016 16:16:53 GMT -5
I made this video on flat line putting. I hope you can follow it. I used arrows at the beginning, to show where line is "jagged" and then after adjusting to show where it is "straight". The resolution isn't the best but hopefully it'll be good enough. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Heya wags I'm a bit confused by this.when the blue arrow comes in at the end is the idea to get the grid line level with the bottom of the screen/monitor yeah?thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 16:24:26 GMT -5
I made this video on flat line putting. I hope you can follow it. I used arrows at the beginning, to show where line is "jagged" and then after adjusting to show where it is "straight". The resolution isn't the best but hopefully it'll be good enough. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Heya wags I'm a bit confused by this.when the blue arrow comes in at the end is the idea to get the grid line level with the bottom of the screen/monitor yeah?thanks The idea is to get the line that the arrow is pointing to, to look straight with no jagged lines in it. Sorry I can't explain it better than that. I could try to do a video with narration but I'm not sure that would help any better. |
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Post by dustin on Jul 13, 2016 16:25:25 GMT -5
nantez88 , I do not think that is the case, the idea is to get any jagged edges out of the line itself, if you watch when you turn into the break direction the line will have what appear like "steps", if you keep turning slowly you will see the line eventually go "flat" (line with no steps). I am more using this method to get a starting point for a feel of where to aim certain putts. Like said above its not an exact science by any means, just a start, to give an idea where to aim. Otherwise, it feels like a guessing game, which it really is LOL, until you have putted so much you can actually read the greens. A tool to use to maybe get lucky Even if get the aim left or right correct, you have to hit with the right power for that aim, or else its gonna miss, its a crap shoot TBH LMAO
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Post by nantez88 on Jul 13, 2016 16:33:40 GMT -5
Heya wags I'm a bit confused by this.when the blue arrow comes in at the end is the idea to get the grid line level with the bottom of the screen/monitor yeah?thanks The idea is to get the line that the arrow is pointing to, to look straight with no jagged lines in it. Sorry I can't explain it better than that. I could try to do a video with narration but I'm not sure that would help any better. Ahhh I think I get you guys now thanks wasg and dustin. Basically it is the bead going across flowing smoothly pretty much, like the beads on a hospital monitor sort of??? Maybe I'm miles of with that anolagy so please correct me if I'm wrong. I know it's very hard to explain. I had to watch that video several times |
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Post by dustin on Jul 13, 2016 16:37:20 GMT -5
like instead of------________ that you have just this __________
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Post by gdog on Jul 13, 2016 16:39:13 GMT -5
If I may throw my not as experienced hat in the ring.
I did a little tip video.
My 3 tips.
1, Have Follow camera OFF.
This lets you can see the ball flight. Lets you see whether you adjusted correctly for the wind etc.
2, The "FEEL" Flop.
Think its been mentioned here previously. It really is a great tool to have. Instead of adding huge amounts of loft to short flops leave the loft at standard and partly swing instead.
This is safer as there is little to no backspin, Which a highly lofted flop has lots of.
3, Delofting Sand or Lob Wedge when in averge/bad lie in the rough.
This can net you a much further shot than up clubbiing to a low iron with a worse %lie.
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Post by dustin on Jul 13, 2016 16:42:28 GMT -5
yea Gdog, the partial power flop is great, holed out a few times using it, even though I truly didn't know what would happen, i just pulled back for a short time, went forward and hoped.....then plop....in the hole. Its a pretty quick movement, or else will have full power flop w/o wanting it, I trying to get a count timing for just that shot, say like pull back....count to one, quick forward.....about 50-55% etc... I have not got partial power shots down yet
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Post by gdog on Jul 13, 2016 16:52:13 GMT -5
yea Gdog, the partial power flop is great, holed out a few times using it, even though I truly didn't know what would happen, i just pulled back for a short time, went forward and hoped.....then plop....in the hole. Its a pretty quick movement, or else will have full power flop w/o wanting it, I trying to get a count timing for just that shot, say like pull back....count to one, quick forward.....about 50-55% etc... I have not got partial power shots down yet It just comes with time and lots of use the timing. I used to max loft all my flops before. Now I rarely ever loft my flops. I can accurately get to 60% 70% 80% most times now for those 15+fters The quick little flip for 10ft and less can be useful. Especially on fast downhill greens as chips can roll a lot. |
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Post by digsb on Jul 14, 2016 3:35:28 GMT -5
I would like to ask... Which putting view do you use as I have had varied results using all 4. This would be easier to explain with pictures,but I'm lazy and not very tech savvy. I will try anyway....
in boom's pictures and wags video you both use let's call it,the default view, I have had a fair bit of success that way but I have changed to the closest view and used the straight line method and sunk more Putts. if you try the straight line method on each of the 4 views results differ greatly.
I know it's not an exact science but I want to know from the converts who use this method, if they have noticed this too or is it just my me or my TV. I know there is lots of views but I mean the 4 that you can actually make a putt with.
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