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Post by thrangar on Nov 21, 2014 10:24:03 GMT -5
I cant find any info on this for Q school or the tours...what is the stance of TCCT?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 11:08:10 GMT -5
I would think yes, Phil pulled this off at the L.A. Open. The putting green has a sandtrap in the middle, so he had to go over it. Hard to tell but he nearly holed it (missed by about 4 inches). Ernie Els had tried it right before Phil but his chip only went about 4 ft. off the ground. Mickelson really went for it.
Tiger and thousands of others through the years have did it as well in other PGA tournaments, there are no rules against doing so, it's just considered bad etiquette but not against the rules. Some local clubs can make it illegal for doing so, by way of Local rules, however that is not technically within the Club's jurisdiction to do so, not one of the rules they are allowed to amend, but a few do it anyway.
This was a raging debate as well on EA and WGT etc... WGT came up with a good solution, they removed the ability to set the spin while on the green making the shot a lot harder, but still occasionally the only option 1 has.
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Post by skrec on Nov 21, 2014 12:18:15 GMT -5
I had to do it last night on a hole at whispering river, the fringe cut into the green so far I would have had to putt through it, the game suggested a chip shot on the green too.
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Post by bentfivewood on Nov 21, 2014 13:13:40 GMT -5
I had to do it last night on a hole at whispering river, the fringe cut into the green so far I would have had to putt through it, the game suggested a chip shot on the green too. That's not the stuff anyone is talking about. I've had to do the same thing on rare occasions. The stuff that's grossly inappropriate is where you watch a ghost ball and the person routinely chipped from greater than 5 yds out with no obstructions in between. For all the talk about the hori controller zero axis use being cheating, I don't see this as being any different. The reason people don't chip from the green unless necessary and seldom putt from off the green IRL is because it's difficult and you do so at your own peril. Routinely chipping from the green in computer golf is done because it's easier than it should be and allows a person to circumvent any breaks in the green. So while while a person is not penalized by the game for green chipping, I say it is cheating because it is not in the spirit of fair play and in playing a golf simulation that person knows they would almost never do it IRL. I have not outed anyone I've seen who cheats in this manner nor do I plan to start. But strictly as a philosophical discussion, if you chip on a green for any reason other than 1. Your path to the green is obstructed, 2. you are playing on a "circus" green that won't allow you to putt out, or 3. your position on the green is too far away to make it to the hole, given the game's putting power, I believe you are cheating. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 13:38:18 GMT -5
I see we are going to debate here as well. Where's the popcorn?
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Post by Knock25Out on Nov 21, 2014 14:17:03 GMT -5
Personally, if I'm on the wrong tier with red lines everywhere 80 ft away, especially early on in a round with no real feel for how the greens are playing, im gonna take a wedge. That being said i always try to putt when applicable, but sometimes the course demands a very unconventional shot. EX: if im on a high tier on a course like kodiak with its greens of fire, that ball isnt stopping even if i tap it, so the only way to keep the ball in play is a flop. I putt 99.8% of the time though...
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Post by skrec on Nov 21, 2014 14:38:35 GMT -5
I had to do it last night on a hole at whispering river, the fringe cut into the green so far I would have had to putt through it, the game suggested a chip shot on the green too. That's not the stuff anyone is talking about. I've had to do the same thing on rare occasions. The stuff that's grossly inappropriate is where you watch a ghost ball and the person routinely chipped from greater than 5 yds out with no obstructions in between. For all the talk about the hori controller zero axis use being cheating, I don't see this as being any different. The reason people don't chip from the green unless necessary and seldom putt from off the green IRL is because it's difficult and you do so at your own peril. Routinely chipping from the green in computer golf is done because it's easier than it should be and allows a person to circumvent any breaks in the green. So while while a person is not penalized by the game for green chipping, I say it is cheating because it is not in the spirit of fair play and in playing a golf simulation that person knows they would almost never do it IRL. I have not outed anyone I've seen who cheats in this manner nor do I plan to start. But strictly as a philosophical discussion, if you chip on a green for any reason other than 1. Your path to the green is obstructed, 2. you are playing on a "circus" green that won't allow you to putt out, or 3. your position on the green is too far away to make it to the hole, given the game's putting power, I believe you are cheating. oh I totally agree except for the part where you lump putting from off the green into it (that's recommended by every teaching pro whenever possible), just found it funny that I literally just had to do it for the first time last night and then there was a thread about it first thing in the morning lol. In the same round I had a approach come up just short of a back tier of a green and roll all the way back to the front and the whole time it was rolling back I was talking to the ball saying "come on roll off the green so I can chip" it did not  I 3 putted for a bogey.... C'est la vie. |
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Post by thrangar on Nov 21, 2014 15:01:25 GMT -5
So I take it, that since no link or quote that there is no info yet posted?
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Post by bentfivewood on Nov 21, 2014 15:21:14 GMT -5
That's not the stuff anyone is talking about. I've had to do the same thing on rare occasions. The stuff that's grossly inappropriate is where you watch a ghost ball and the person routinely chipped from greater than 5 yds out with no obstructions in between. For all the talk about the hori controller zero axis use being cheating, I don't see this as being any different. The reason people don't chip from the green unless necessary and seldom putt from off the green IRL is because it's difficult and you do so at your own peril. Routinely chipping from the green in computer golf is done because it's easier than it should be and allows a person to circumvent any breaks in the green. So while while a person is not penalized by the game for green chipping, I say it is cheating because it is not in the spirit of fair play and in playing a golf simulation that person knows they would almost never do it IRL. I have not outed anyone I've seen who cheats in this manner nor do I plan to start. But strictly as a philosophical discussion, if you chip on a green for any reason other than 1. Your path to the green is obstructed, 2. you are playing on a "circus" green that won't allow you to putt out, or 3. your position on the green is too far away to make it to the hole, given the game's putting power, I believe you are cheating. oh I totally agree except for the part where you lump putting from off the green into it (that's recommended by every teaching pro whenever possible), just found it funny that I literally just had to do it for the first time last night and then there was a thread about it first thing in the morning lol. In the same round I had a approach come up just short of a back tier of a green and roll all the way back to the front and the whole time it was rolling back I was talking to the ball saying "come on roll off the green so I can chip" it did not I 3 putted for a bogey.... C'est la vie. Oh so it's just me that doesn't know how to putt from off the green, then.  I could amend it to say you would not putt from the rough. |
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Post by skrec on Nov 21, 2014 16:09:48 GMT -5
oh I totally agree except for the part where you lump putting from off the green into it (that's recommended by every teaching pro whenever possible), just found it funny that I literally just had to do it for the first time last night and then there was a thread about it first thing in the morning lol. In the same round I had a approach come up just short of a back tier of a green and roll all the way back to the front and the whole time it was rolling back I was talking to the ball saying "come on roll off the green so I can chip" it did not I 3 putted for a bogey.... C'est la vie. Oh so it's just me that doesn't know how to putt from off the green, then. I could amend it to say you would not putt from the rough. lol well I have attempted putts from the rough as well but I try weird stuff, I was on a severe downslope and the pin was about 5 yds on so I tried it and it worked but its not something I would suggest |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 17:01:53 GMT -5
Oh so it's just me that doesn't know how to putt from off the green, then. I could amend it to say you would not putt from the rough. lol well I have attempted putts from the rough as well but I try weird stuff, I was on a severe downslope and the pin was about 5 yds on so I tried it and it worked but its not something I would suggest In RL the putter is my choice in more cases then you could imagine, the chop down skip the ball through the rough and on to the green where the top spin carries the ball to the hole is my speciality and preferred shot.
Here, on the fringe I always choose putter if its under 30 feet, the trick is to judge how many inches of fringe you have to go over and aim that much more, amazing how they got the physics of that right here. Never tried putting from rough though, it will not let me chop down.
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Post by firstblitzer on Nov 21, 2014 19:19:19 GMT -5
So I take it, that since no link or quote that there is no info yet posted? If it's in the game it's in the game, it would be impossible to watch 450 players over dozens of events to make sure no-ever chips, pitches or flops while on the green. So chip, pitch and flop away. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 20:35:32 GMT -5
So I take it, that since no link or quote that there is no info yet posted? If it's in the game it's in the game, it would be impossible to watch 450 players over dozens of events to make sure no-ever chips, pitches or flops while on the green. So chip, pitch and flop away. i disagree. a putter should be used if it can be used while on the green. only exceptions to me are: obstacles in the way such as bunkers, fringe/fairway getting in the way of the projected path, or its so far or uphill the putter does not have enough juice to make it to the destination. imo chipping/pitching from the green under any circumstance not listed above is exploiting the game of golf, while there may not be any rules that state it, the greens were designed to be putted from, not chipped off of, and that is the sole reason why its frowned upon at most local tracks. |
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Post by snapdecks on Nov 21, 2014 21:13:35 GMT -5
Yeah I often putt from the fringe and almost everywhere on the green unless the path is obstructed or if the putt is longer than the max length of the putter stroke (which has only happened once)
I think I've chipped a few times in a corner pocket of a really nasty spot on a green but I generally feel stronger with my putt than chip anyway, so if I can putt I will.
I do feel weird finding out that people are chipping to avoid movement in the green because after a while there are few shots that aren't able to to putted within safe tap in be they up, down, left, right or all together.
I think that's one of the most enjoyable parts of the game, watching a ball arc left, then right, then slow up, then just make it over a ridge and cruise towards the safe zone.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Nov 21, 2014 21:27:28 GMT -5
If it's in the game it's in the game, it would be impossible to watch 450 players over dozens of events to make sure no-ever chips, pitches or flops while on the green. So chip, pitch and flop away. i disagree. a putter should be used if it can be used while on the green. only exceptions to me are: obstacles in the way such as bunkers, fringe/fairway getting in the way of the projected path, or its so far or uphill the putter does not have enough juice to make it to the destination. imo chipping/pitching from the green under any circumstance not listed above is exploiting the game of golf, while there may not be any rules that state it, the greens were designed to be putted from, not chipped off of, and that is the sole reason why its frowned upon at most local tracks. You are missing the point. Most people dont disagree with you, its just impossible to police. Personally I dont like it but at the end of the day it makes the shots easier and when this starts I am not going to be putting when 60ft from the pin on the green and deliberately give myself a disadvantage over the field. This is a very obvious case of if you cant beat them, join them, or accept you will lose shots on them in certain situations. |
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I 3 putted for a bogey.... C'est la vie.
I could amend it to say you would not putt from the rough.
