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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 6:55:17 GMT -5
I did say most and royal Montreal would be one of the exceptions to the rule I do believe but Glen Abby however I know for a fact the local rule of no wedges/irons on greens is definitely in effect. Clublink (the conglomerate that owns the Abby among a tonne of other courses) has a 3-way fold scorecard on all courses in which they only show you one side of online... I am currently trying to find and old scorecard from Glen Abby to scan and show you (I bought a gps 2 years ago and keep my scores on there now ) when/if I locate one I will upload for you but as of right now I can't really say you're wrong cause I'm having a hell of a time finding scorecards A.K.A evidence but, I'm almost 100% sure that it is listed on there (Glen Abby scorecard) along with the alcohol, slow play and lightning storm policies that I know are on every Clublink scorecard for liability reasons..
realistically I was hoping this whole discussion would be a moot point because everyone was playing within the spirit of the game and using a putter whenever possible on the green not just because they might have a hard time 2-putting from where they shanked their approach shot to.  somewhere Brad Faxton is crying
If you're going to sit there with a straight face and tell me when you go to the course and have a 55ft putt you just pull out the lob wedge and flop it close to the hole instead of lag putting (or attempting to) then I guess we are living in a fantasy world or you're a superintendents nightmare. Furthermore if any of you had tried this in real life you would see that it is pretty damn hard if not impossible to successfully pull of a flop shot from the tightest of lies.... In the game it is as easy as pie so therefore it is an exploit of the game engine/physics system if you really want to get into it.
oh and here's a link from the Golf Canada (formerly RCPGA) Rules of Golf about local rules.. www.golfcanada.ca/play/the-rules-of-golf/local-rules/ in which it states that "any club may implement local rules specific to their course or competition."
WTF am I dealing with here, this is complete insanity. I already placed the full and entire text to the local rule. As a matter of fact I got that from the RCGA, the very exact page you did, the very exact page you linked. You either stopped reading it, because you decided you did not agree with the rule or failed to read the rule. Either way, it's just plain wrong what you are attempting to do here. You quoted only what you wanted to read and read no further. Look at the page, read the page, Local Clubs are not allowed to make the rule you say most do.
The reason I called you on BS, is because it is, no club can make the rule you said most do, WHY, Because it's against the RULES!
You can make whatever you want up, a fact is a fact, just because you do not like it, does not make it so.
Further, you told me earlier you worked at Glen Abbey, so then now I know for a fact you are just making this stuff up to suit your desire to dictate to someone else what they do while on the green. Stop this insanity Please.
I'm not telling you by the way, that I chip or putt when faced with 55 feet, I decide at the time what is best for me under the circumstances at that specific time, I would most likely putt if you needed to know, but the entire point is, it's my choice what I do, not your choice what I do, my choice is within the rules of Golf, you trying to dictate my choice is against the rules of Golf.
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Post by bentfivewood on Nov 23, 2014 7:41:08 GMT -5
This is heading into "making it personal" territory.
The fact is, there are no current plans to DQ people who chip on greens, so at this point it's really just a philosophical discussion. Let's keep cool heads.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 7:57:27 GMT -5
let me put it like this:
irl the reason you dont see players routinely chip/flop/pitch from the greens is because putting is usually a better shot. The game has it to where chipping/pitching/flopping is a better shot at distances > 30 feet.
putting from distance irl and in the game is pretty hard, the way it should be, you get caught with a 30+ foot putt, you pay the price by putting that sucker out if you are able to putt it.
the problem with the game, and the reason this is brought up ever so often, is because there are players abusing the system where they will pitch/chip/flop from the green every time they are on the green more than 10 yards or so from the pin, because its simply easier.
THIS IS KNOWN AS EXPLOITING THE GAME MECHANICS AS A WAY TO BYPASS THE BREAKS IN THE GREEN, IT IS IN FACT A FORM OF CHEATING WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, LEGAL IRL OR NOT, IN THE GAME, ITS CHEATING IF DONE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO BYPASS THE BREAKS IN THE GREENS.
IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF ROUTINE CHIPPING,PITCHING,FLOPPING FROM THE GREENS, WE NEED TO START DESIGNING ALL THE GREENS TO ONLY BE 5 YARDS WIDE IN ANY DIRECTION SO IF YOU DO MAKE IT ON THE PUTTING FLOOR, YOU ARE LESS THAN 15 FEET FROM THE CUP BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU NEED ONLY SHORT PUTTS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 8:30:00 GMT -5
let me put it like this: irl the reason you dont see players routinely chip/flop/pitch from the greens is because putting is usually a better shot. The game has it to where chipping/pitching/flopping is a better shot at distances > 30 feet. putting from distance irl and in the game is pretty hard, the way it should be, you get caught with a 30+ foot putt, you pay the price by putting that sucker out if you are able to putt it. the problem with the game, and the reason this is brought up ever so often, is because there are players abusing the system where they will pitch/chip/flop from the green every time they are on the green more than 10 yards or so from the pin, because its simply easier. THIS IS KNOWN AS EXPLOITING THE GAME MECHANICS AS A WAY TO BYPASS THE BREAKS IN THE GREEN, IT IS IN FACT A FORM OF CHEATING WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, LEGAL IRL OR NOT, IN THE GAME, ITS CHEATING IF DONE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO BYPASS THE BREAKS IN THE GREENS. IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF ROUTINE CHIPPING,PITCHING,FLOPPING FROM THE GREENS, WE NEED TO START DESIGNING ALL THE GREENS TO ONLY BE 5 YARDS WIDE IN ANY DIRECTION SO IF YOU DO MAKE IT ON THE PUTTING FLOOR, YOU ARE LESS THAN 15 FEET FROM THE CUP BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU NEED ONLY SHORT PUTTS. I agree with almost everything, however how many people chip pitch or flop on the green. I followed hundreds of ghost and rarely see the issue. To design greens to stop maybe 1% is not an option.
This discussion has occurred now on every single golf game I have played. The best and only option is entirely in the hands of HBS. They need make the shot harder and not a viable option. That simple. But until that occurs, there is nothing anyone else can do.
And Scott, I do take it personally when someone claims Canada has a rule they do not to make their case. That is insulting to Canadians.
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Post by thrangar on Nov 23, 2014 10:30:50 GMT -5
insert code hereThat's just it, it is already being done in all other tourneys,
SO! and have you noticed TGCT has not made a stance ...so if they inforce this after q school or tours, that would be very irresponsible on their part.
We need to know before q school, other wise those "in the spirit" of the game will be handy capped because it will be practice as it is now!
My beef is not whether it is ok or not ok, my beef is TGCT has taken no stand...unless ofcourse I missed something announced.
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Post by bentfivewood on Nov 23, 2014 10:55:17 GMT -5
My own personal philosophical position aside, I have played over a thousand rounds of golf on TGC including many many tournaments and tours and I have only encountered 1 person that chipped on almost every putt outside of 5 feet.
I respect and appreciate that people are concerned about fairness in TGCTours events but I do not believe this is an issue that is currently rampant.
As for an official position from TGCTours, I am not aware that one is forthcoming. In the event that a decision is made, it will be posted on the News & Announcements forum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:37:25 GMT -5
To CHIP, or NOT to CHIP, that is the question—
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The FRINGE and TRAPS of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take PUTT against a Sea of UNDULATION,
And by opposing, end them? To CHIP, to MISS—
No more; and by a MISS, to say we end
The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks
That CHIPPING is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished.
To PUTT, to MISS,
To MISS, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the rub,
For in that Missed PUTT of death, what Nightmares may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal disgrace,
Must give us pause.
There's the respect
That makes PUTTING on Greens of so long, great:
For who would bear the CHIPs and PUTTs of time,
The Oppressor's wrongful CHIP, the proud man's 60 foot PUTT,
The Boos of despised CHIPPING, the Law’s delay,
The insolence of Office, and the Spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his WEDGE make
With a two inch divot?
Who would these Golfers bear,
To grunt and sweat under a lengthy green repair,
But that the dread of something after Greens-keeper's attempt,
The undiscovered ball mark or divot, from whose stroke,
No golfer repairs, Puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those crappy lies we have,
Than b%& to others that we know not of.
Thus Conscience does make whiners of us all,
And thus the Native chance of Resolution
Is passed over, with the pale cast of Thought,
And enterprises of great CHIPS and PUTTS,
With this regard their fellow golfers turn awry,
And lose the respect of the Royal and Ancient.
Soft you now,
The Scratch Golfer. Professional, in all thy Tourneys
Be thou all my sins remembered.
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A re-write from the famous Hamlet soliloquy, To Be, or not to be ...
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Post by thrangar on Nov 23, 2014 15:16:56 GMT -5
golf clap
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Post by snapdecks on Nov 23, 2014 16:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by NCFCRulz on Nov 23, 2014 17:45:02 GMT -5
ffs... This is ridiculous. The FACT of the matter is it is CURRENTLY not cheating as it is CURRENTLY not against the rules of THIS particular competition.
IF TGCTours decide to implement and penalise players for playing chip shots on the green then you have a whole set of rules to draw up... How many is too many? etc etc, and THEN IF they decide to do this they can not justify DISCRIMINATING against only those who finish in the top 2/3 of the leaderboard because THEN you will get the argument from then about "Well why is such and such in 20th, 38th, 47th allowed to do it and im not?" and then TGC Tours will end up with too much work having to check everyone.
THIS ABOVE IS ALL FACT...... I have no issue whether it is implemented as not as I do not chip on green unless neccessary and neither give a toss about those that do because as far as I am concerned it is part of the game regardless of RL golf.
The fact of the matter is IF TGCTours try to implement this is will be a hell of alot of work because of above reasons and tbh I dont see why they should have to borrow.
THAT is all before you even consider that flopping from 20yrds on the green is a PERFECTLY LEGAL GOLF SHOT.
If its not implemented and you dont like it, sod off. If it is implemented and you dont like it, sod off. Everyone cant be pleased but we can be better than petty ***** which is what this thread is becomming
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Post by Doyley on Nov 23, 2014 17:50:19 GMT -5
Hi guys, let's make it official! There will be no rule against chipping on the greens. If it gets out of hand we'll revisit. This is not a green light to chip away - it is a green light to bring out the LW when you have an obstacle in the way or you're too far away for a full putt to make. Let's keep the spirit of the game intact and not chip when a putt would suffice. Please report any repetitve chippers to commish@tgctours.com and we'll deal with it on a case-by-case basis. If this was a no-grid tour it would be more of an issue but since the grids are on I don't see this being something we need to police. |
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Post by Mitchblue on Nov 23, 2014 21:35:30 GMT -5
Fair enough. Thank you.
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Post by skrec on Nov 24, 2014 20:06:57 GMT -5
Hi guys, let's make it official! There will be no rule against chipping on the greens. If it gets out of hand we'll revisit. This is not a green light to chip away - it is a green light to bring out the LW when you have an obstacle in the way or you're too far away for a full putt to make. Let's keep the spirit of the game intact and not chip when a putt would suffice. Please report any chippers to commish@tgctours.com and we'll deal with it on a case-by-case basis. If this was a no-grid tour it would be more of an issue but since the grids are on I don't see this being something we need to police. that's kind of a confusing contradictory post, you say there's no rule then say its not a green light to chip away (unless there's obstructions) which sounds like a rule. I'm kinda confused is there no rule? or is the rule you can't chip unless there is something preventing you from putting (obstacle, or distance that is too far for the putter to reach with max distance)? The latter is what I understood from your post, especially when you ask for us to report chippers, but you said there is no rule against chipping on greens in the first sentence so I'm confused... |
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Post by Doyley on Nov 24, 2014 20:29:42 GMT -5
If people treat chipping on the green the way PGA players treat it, then we're all good and there's nothing to worry about.
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Post by snapdecks on Nov 24, 2014 20:36:00 GMT -5
Hi guys, let's make it official! There will be no rule against chipping on the greens. If it gets out of hand we'll revisit. This is not a green light to chip away - it is a green light to bring out the LW when you have an obstacle in the way or you're too far away for a full putt to make. Let's keep the spirit of the game intact and not chip when a putt would suffice. Please report any chippers to commish@tgctours.com and we'll deal with it on a case-by-case basis. If this was a no-grid tour it would be more of an issue but since the grids are on I don't see this being something we need to police. that's kind of a confusing contradictory post, you say there's no rule then say its not a green light to chip away (unless there's obstructions) which sounds like a rule. I'm kinda confused is there no rule? or is the rule you can't chip unless there is something preventing you from putting (obstacle, or distance that is too far for the putter to reach with max distance)? The latter is what I understood from your post, especially when you ask for us to report chippers, but you said there is no rule against chipping on greens in the first sentence so I'm confused... I think it's just a call for a bunch of guys playing internet golf to be somewhat mature and friendly enough to each other to use common sense and fair play in the spirit of the game with hope it can be ok, hopefully without the need for the guys who take their own time to run this for us to need to spend extra time policing something that shouldn't not necessarily need policing. I take it as 'please putt on the green as it's in the spirit of the game unless it's a shot that cannot make the hole with a putter and please allow common sense to not make this a courtroom wordplay saga'. If people exploit this by chipping constantly to avoid green movement then the guys running this for us (for nothing) will have to spend time implementing another time consuming type of investigation that requires review of a persons play and if and when it becomes a severe issue they will revisit it as a solid rule with accompanying penalties for infringement. |
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