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Post by alexandre on Jul 1, 2015 18:49:10 GMT -5
Impossible this field!!
John Deere Classic will be interesting .
I do not believe anyone can play 10 under par.
It will be the tournament with results closer to the real golf.
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Post by Tim on Jul 1, 2015 19:24:10 GMT -5
Yea, i'm heading to Europe. Heck with that torture.
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Post by Nemecyst on Jul 1, 2015 19:28:37 GMT -5
I don't know... I just played it for the first time and shot a -4. I'm sure winners will still be -40 at least.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jul 1, 2015 19:51:40 GMT -5
I haven't played Harbour Pointe, but I have a very hard time imagining a tgct approved course where disturbed or sloaner shoot anything less than -30 over 4 rounds.
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Post by edi_vedder on Jul 1, 2015 22:47:45 GMT -5
Yea, i'm heading to Europe. Heck with that torture. Well... I think I'll head to the PGA then. We had birdie madness this week in Europe, so I might look for a tougher challenge next week. I remember a bit of Harbour Pointe while reviewing it, and it was a beast. I'll gonna have another round today or so, and then make a decission which tour to register for.
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Post by theduke21 on Jul 2, 2015 2:07:44 GMT -5
Not a fan of the course because of how blatantly tricked up it is. There's a way to trick up courses without making it so obvious. Combining the firmness, speed, and sloped of the green is just dumb. It's not that you can't score under par, it's just that you look at a hole and laugh at how tricked up it is. I'm okay with the majority of them, but #14 and #15 are just the tip of the iceberg for me. #14 pretty much forces you to hit 3 wood which leaves you with about 210 yards uphill to a green that is completely blocked by trees. I mean you're in the middle of the fairway and have to aim 10 yards right of the green to hit a 3 iron into a tucked pin. One of the worst holes that's probably been on tour. #15 is a razor thin fairway, which I'm fine with, but the whole fairway slopes hard to the left and unless you land it in the right rough, you're basically going to roll into the left rough if you hit the fairway on the fly. Then the pin is once again just completely tucked and inaccessible because you're almost certainly going to be in the rough unless you get a helpful wind or something. It's a very nice looking course except for the bunker sculpting, but the blatant tricked up part of it could've been fixed and it wouldn't have made it that much easier.
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Post by hazzard31 on Jul 2, 2015 4:57:48 GMT -5
Not a fan of the course because of how blatantly tricked up it is. There's a way to trick up courses without making it so obvious. Combining the firmness, speed, and sloped of the green is just dumb. It's not that you can't score under par, it's just that you look at a hole and laugh at how tricked up it is. I'm okay with the majority of them, but #14 and #15 are just the tip of the iceberg for me. #14 pretty much forces you to hit 3 wood which leaves you with about 210 yards uphill to a green that is completely blocked by trees. I mean you're in the middle of the fairway and have to aim 10 yards right of the green to hit a 3 iron into a tucked pin. One of the worst holes that's probably been on tour. #15 is a razor thin fairway, which I'm fine with, but the whole fairway slopes hard to the left and unless you land it in the right rough, you're basically going to roll into the left rough if you hit the fairway on the fly. Then the pin is once again just completely tucked and inaccessible because you're almost certainly going to be in the rough unless you get a helpful wind or something. It's a very nice looking course except for the bunker sculpting, but the blatant tricked up part of it could've been fixed and it wouldn't have made it that much easier. Agreed with Duke. Don't mind playing difficult courses but Harbour Pointe seems like it's been made just for that purpose and there's great tough courses designed out there which would be better equipped. Didn't enjoy my practice round there so Euro again next week.
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Post by daddyjules on Jul 2, 2015 5:11:57 GMT -5
Euro is another birdie fest!!
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Post by hazzard31 on Jul 2, 2015 6:09:15 GMT -5
Euro is another birdie fest!! Lets birdie it up!!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jul 2, 2015 6:16:56 GMT -5
Euro is another birdie fest!! Yep, if it weren't for the relatively large purse on offer at the Scottish Open I would probably be crossing over.
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Post by steelereign on Jul 2, 2015 8:53:52 GMT -5
I prefer to play the tougher courses over the "birdie-fest" tracks. However, Harbour Pointe is just too much for me. The firmness, green speeds, shape of the greens, and pin placements were maddening.
Tbh, I still think HB needs to work on the ball-roll physics a bit. Watching a ball, that is barely moving, roll UP a severe slope on the green, and then stop dead in it's tracks on the side of said slope is enough to make me call my local asylum to check on vacancies. ;-)
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Post by BMann1976 on Jul 2, 2015 10:58:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up. Euro it is.
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Post by smoknpirate on Jul 2, 2015 12:16:01 GMT -5
I expect a lot of criticisms and I'm cool with that. Just bear in mind that this was designed and built for the U.S. Open contest. On hole 15 a driver is a riskier play, but can still be held in the fairway. But, a 3 wood allows you to stay in the flatter part of the fairway and still have a short iron to the pin. Not every hole needs to allow for a birdie. Sometimes par is a great score. On hole 14 those trees on the left were autogenerated right before publishing. Wish they weren't there, but the hole isn't impossible. People like to use the phrase "tricked up" all the time. What I find to be tricked up or unrealistic is how people are capable of executing their intended shot >90% of the time. Straight shots with calculated distances allowing insane scores. There are people that appreciate the greater challenge. Where getting a birdie actually feels like you accomplished something. This course is more for them than the ones who expect a birdie on every hole.
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Post by steelereign on Jul 2, 2015 12:30:22 GMT -5
I expect a lot of criticisms and I'm cool with that. Just bear in mind that this was designed and built for the U.S. Open contest. On hole 15 a driver is a riskier play, but can still be held in the fairway. But, a 3 wood allows you to stay in the flatter part of the fairway and still have a short iron to the pin. Not every hole needs to allow for a birdie. Sometimes par is a great score. On hole 14 those trees on the left were autogenerated right before publishing. Wish they weren't there, but the hole isn't impossible. People like to use the phrase "tricked up" all the time. What I find to be tricked up or unrealistic is how people are capable of executing their intended shot >90% of the time. Straight shots with calculated distances allowing insane scores. There are people that appreciate the greater challenge. Where getting a birdie actually feels like you accomplished something. This course is more for them than the ones who expect a birdie on every hole. I wouldn't consider this course "tricked up." And, I do prefer harder courses, but the issues I had were that the landing areas were too small when considering the firmness/speed of the greens. There are too many "good" shots that ended up rolling off the green. That said, I do believe that some of this is related to poor ball physics on the greens. By the way, I believe this is one of the best courses I've played in regards to aesthetics. Not too many courses do I find my self panning around the screen to take in the sheer beauty of the course. Well done. Just not for me.
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Post by hazzard31 on Jul 2, 2015 13:32:45 GMT -5
I expect a lot of criticisms and I'm cool with that. Just bear in mind that this was designed and built for the U.S. Open contest. On hole 15 a driver is a riskier play, but can still be held in the fairway. But, a 3 wood allows you to stay in the flatter part of the fairway and still have a short iron to the pin. Not every hole needs to allow for a birdie. Sometimes par is a great score. On hole 14 those trees on the left were autogenerated right before publishing. Wish they weren't there, but the hole isn't impossible. People like to use the phrase "tricked up" all the time. What I find to be tricked up or unrealistic is how people are capable of executing their intended shot >90% of the time. Straight shots with calculated distances allowing insane scores. There are people that appreciate the greater challenge. Where getting a birdie actually feels like you accomplished something. This course is more for them than the ones who expect a birdie on every hole. Don't expect to birdie every hole. Love Elmview, love Empyreal just didn't think this course was a good course.
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