A bad rap

[Brenelan]

I still tend to disagree with you on whether the top players are challenged on these settings - I believe they are, because it's a tournament environment, and the competition at the top is crazy good.

The players aren't necessarily challenged if the criteria is "shooting low". But if we're talking about beating Skud, Lindsay, Kawkster, etc. I'd say it's plenty challenging.

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Dec 31, 2022 17:17:19 GMT -5 Brenelan said:

I still tend to disagree with you on whether the top players are challenged on these settings - I believe they are, because it's a tournament environment, and the competition at the top is crazy good.

The players aren't necessarily challenged if the criteria is "shooting low". But if we're talking about beating Skud, Lindsay, Kawkster, etc. I'd say it's plenty challenging.

That's what I mean though. The challenge is almost entirely against the field on very gentle gameplay settings.

And don't get me wrong 99.9% of people might enjoy playing and watching that and I'm part of a tiny tiny minority that doesn't enjoy playing that way or watching it. It feels to me like if all the top Iracing leagues had racing line and braking assist on as mandatory.

But yeah honestly no big deal at all. Just responding as someone who really enjoyed the series as something of a grounded golf game that I feel has lost its way a little. I might be only one though 😂

Edit: I should say gentle gameplay settings for them. I'm not trying to totally discredit people who find these games difficult. I mean god knows I play 99% of my games on easy and get absolutely destroyed on Halo.

It's simply that this is one of the few series where I feel we don't get to see the best duke it out on mega challenging settings. I know why; TGCT has to have a broad appeal to survive and it's incredibly well organised by people who give up a ton of time and put a lot of thought into making the right decisions for it, has an official ranking system (which is awesome), true sim flights, has to be somewhat fair cross-platform etc etc. I totally get why this is the main stage for multiplayer in this game.

And again, as I said, I might be the only guy who is looking for a very specific type of gameplay - and at that I'd be miles off the top - but it would definitely get me back playing and practicing were there that kind of competitive scene within the game.

[Brenelan]

Dec 31, 2022 17:21:05 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Dec 31, 2022 17:17:19 GMT -5 Brenelan said:

I still tend to disagree with you on whether the top players are challenged on these settings - I believe they are, because it's a tournament environment, and the competition at the top is crazy good.

The players aren't necessarily challenged if the criteria is "shooting low". But if we're talking about beating Skud, Lindsay, Kawkster, etc. I'd say it's plenty challenging.

That's what I mean though. The challenge is almost entirely against the field on very gentle gameplay settings.

And don't get me wrong 99.9% of people might enjoy playing and watching that and I'm part of a tiny tiny minority that doesn't enjoy playing that way or watching it. It feels to me like if all the top Iracing leagues had racing line and braking assist on as mandatory.

But yeah honestly no big deal at all. Just responding as someone who really enjoyed the series as something of a grounded golf game that I feel has lost its way a little. I might be only one though 😂

Oh you're definitely not alone, there's plenty in this thread who agree.

Ultimately (from a TGC perspective) what matters is ongoing participation and whether the new game can sustain that participation. I suppose that remains to be seen, and even moreso once the EA game drops.

And I bet there would be a significant percentage of TGC players who might argue they are being allowed to use "racing lines and brake assists". The game is hard for MANY of us. 😉

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Dec 31, 2022 17:39:34 GMT -5 Brenelan said:

Dec 31, 2022 17:21:05 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

That's what I mean though. The challenge is almost entirely against the field on very gentle gameplay settings.

And don't get me wrong 99.9% of people might enjoy playing and watching that and I'm part of a tiny tiny minority that doesn't enjoy playing that way or watching it. It feels to me like if all the top Iracing leagues had racing line and braking assist on as mandatory.

But yeah honestly no big deal at all. Just responding as someone who really enjoyed the series as something of a grounded golf game that I feel has lost its way a little. I might be only one though 😂

Oh you're definitely not alone, there's plenty in this thread who agree.

Ultimately (from a TGC perspective) what matters is ongoing participation and whether the new game can sustain that participation. I suppose that remains to be seen, and even moreso once the EA game drops.

And I bet there would be a significant percentage of TGC players who might argue they are being allowed to use "racing lines and brake assists". The game is hard for MANY of us. 😉

I must have edited when you were typing that haha see above I guess!

And, as always with these types of conversations, I'm very aware I might be coming off as a prick or discrediting a ton of hard work and tough decisions people have made after much giving them a lot of thought. I don't mean to at all. And I hope that's clear that I'm just thinking out loud about possible directions for the series / other golf games.

[Brenelan]

I think it's a great conversation to have, and you're always respectful Craig. So no worries there. 👍👍

[donkeypuncherben]

Dec 31, 2022 16:53:22 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Dec 31, 2022 12:37:56 GMT -5 donkeypuncherben said:

I honestly don't know what the red fast patch is an I'm a little afraid to ask.  Have things changed back to the early days of 2k21 or something where playing for perfect is no longer the best way to be consistent?  If so I honestly had no idea.

The big difference in the short game is you have to worry more about distance control and the slopes of the green than in previous versions.  If you found chipping from the fairway or hitting greenside bunker shots more difficult in 2k21 than 2k23 I have to think you weren't very good at 2k21.  

If the swing is too easy just play on legend swing.  To me, it is really fantastic if you want a challenge.  I can play for hours just on single player casual rounds 

I was alright on 21 lol

So yeah the red fast patch basically stopped it being possible to aim right and very fast every shot. It was what led to the tours going to pro and - imo of course - made low low scoring the norm (first the red fast exploit and then the drop to pro)

And unfortunately legend is totally broken on Xbox on this version or I'd absolutely play it. It was far and away my favourite way to play 2k21.

And just to be clear I'm absolutely not saying the game is devoid of skill on these settings or anything like that. Just that the gameplay isn't what I'm looking for, and I know some others aren't looking for. In that period between the red fast patch and the switch to pro it felt like rounds were far more exciting. You'd see people go on great runs, be nervous over the ball on stream, bounce back from slow starts to win. Since the switch to pro and the easier tempo in 23 it's just a birdie fest. It'll absolutely appeal to a lot of people and there is a challenge against the field but given the original question of what puts people off this version and what will draw people back in future games the big one for me is the ease of the long game.

I absolutely agree though and if legend worked on Xbox or master gave a little bit more punishing misses I'd set up another true sim legend society on there and play the game instead of moaning about it lol

I'll just say I had no idea you were on Xbox and I shouldn't have commented on your skill.  I'm not going to look you up but if you are in platinum while playing XBox then you're world class. 


I just think the chipping on 2k21 was so easy to control distance, that you could basically aggressively bang them at the hole without any worry about the next putt.  It is still way too easy to hole out but at least there is a risk to hitting them with an aggressive speed that we didn't have last game.  

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Awk not at all mate. I'm a good putter on true sim but definitely not up with the top players tee to green at all. On 21 that is though. I honestly don't know where I'd stand on 23 yet, I've really only played my tour rounds and not much else. Aside from about fifty practice rounds on Keg Farm! Haha

You're probably right with the chipping. There's definitely a lot more danger especially from the rough, and not having the splash bail out is a huge plus.

Really I think on op's point the main issue is definitely mutliplayer modes and issues. I'll die on the hill of the draw distance being poor on console but it's minor and on the difficulty, yeah it's probably just personal preference isn't it?

I'd said elsewhere I'll probably have a break through January and come back then. I think I maybe just had too high expectations for this one the new consoles and never quite got over that disappointment instead of just taking it as it is. That's on me.

[greenlightning]

Dec 31, 2022 14:22:04 GMT -5 @brownief104 said:

Regarding the upcoming EA Golf game, I’d be really surprised if it’s not great given Augusta National’s brand and reputation are involved. They don’t need the money, so it’s not a money grab to them. I’m enjoying 2k23 and the online matchmaking. If not for TGC Tours and the incredible, talented course designers (THANK YOU!), this game would have had a much shorter play life for me.

They said the same thing about Tiger being involved in 2k23. I like 23 but I don't deal with career.

[bubbadave]

Dec 31, 2022 15:54:29 GMT -5 simonlunge said:

Wondering if TGC tours will create a tour for the EA game when released. If EA has a strong single player career mode. Than I will solely play that game

Depends on whether they provide Societies and the mods of those societies access to their AGI.

[martbloke]

Dec 31, 2022 18:44:37 GMT -5 greenlightning said:

Dec 31, 2022 14:22:04 GMT -5 @brownief104 said:

Regarding the upcoming EA Golf game, I’d be really surprised if it’s not great given Augusta National’s brand and reputation are involved. They don’t need the money, so it’s not a money grab to them. I’m enjoying 2k23 and the online matchmaking. If not for TGC Tours and the incredible, talented course designers (THANK YOU!), this game would have had a much shorter play life for me.

They said the same thing about Tiger being involved in 2k23. I like 23 but I don't deal with career.

Haha too true. There is no way in mighty hell Tiger has had any input in this game. None whatsoever! He's just the poster boy.

[simonlunge]

Dec 31, 2022 19:53:25 GMT -5 martbloke said:

Dec 31, 2022 18:44:37 GMT -5 greenlightning said:

They said the same thing about Tiger being involved in 2k23. I like 23 but I don't deal with career.

Haha too true. There is no way in mighty hell Tiger has had any input in this game. None whatsoever! He's just the poster boy.

They should’ve had a recreated ( tigers best shots) recreation . Like they did for Jordan in 2k23. You had to replicate his key shots

[Oscar C]

Dec 31, 2022 20:21:49 GMT -5 simonlunge said:

Dec 31, 2022 19:53:25 GMT -5 martbloke said:

Haha too true. There is no way in mighty hell Tiger has had any input in this game. None whatsoever! He's just the poster boy.

They should’ve had a recreated ( tigers best shots) recreation . Like they did for Jordan in 2k23. You had to replicate his key shots

No they shouldn’t have. Just like top golf was a waste of resources. One day maybe a developer will make a golf simulation. This franchise has lost the plot.

[greenlightning]

Top Golf? Still ain't touched it. Or played as a pro. Oh I take that back one hole with Harold Varner. Don't get the attraction.

[fourthgenben]

Does having your player at max level/fittings/skills give people a large advantage in these Tours? I'm still only at lvl 26 and at this rate it will be months before I'm at 100.

[simonlunge]

Dec 31, 2022 22:25:47 GMT -5 Oscar C said:

Dec 31, 2022 20:21:49 GMT -5 simonlunge said:

They should’ve had a recreated ( tigers best shots) recreation . Like they did for Jordan in 2k23. You had to replicate his key shots

No they shouldn’t have. Just like top golf was a waste of resources. One day maybe a developer will make a golf simulation. This franchise has lost the plot.

You must not be a real golfer outside this game. Or if you are, your 100 shooter

A true fan of golf would relish the chance to relive all of his past major moments