A bad rap

[bubbadave]

Dec 28, 2022 20:47:49 GMT -5 sandgroper said:

The biggest issue is the change to the designer which makes it virtually impossible to use with keyboard and mouse.
Again, why change something that isn’t broke?

I came into 2K21 in late June and then 2K23 in October. I'm on keyboard and mouse and designing my first course. I'm having a blast, but I keep hearing that it's impossible to design with the PC. What has changed? I'll admit, some short cut keys and a more robust testing structure where I don't have to keep coming back in to try out different aspects of my design would be nice.

[Oscar C]

Dec 29, 2022 17:06:49 GMT -5 bubbadave said:

Dec 28, 2022 20:47:49 GMT -5 sandgroper said:

The biggest issue is the change to the designer which makes it virtually impossible to use with keyboard and mouse.
Again, why change something that isn’t broke?

I came into 2K21 in late June and then 2K23 in October. I'm on keyboard and mouse and designing my first course. I'm having a blast, but I keep hearing that it's impossible to design with the PC. What has changed? I'll admit, some short cut keys and a more robust testing structure where I don't have to keep coming back in to try out different aspects of my design would be nice.

Thats interesting as designing on the PC was always a better option. They sure screwed up this franchise.

[sandgroper]

The two biggest issues are taking away the number system on the designer and removing the arrow keys for moving around.
There are a couple of other issues with selecting a spline and having to click several times to do something with it.
You can move around by holding down the scroll wheel and the right mouse button, but it’s fiddly.
You COULD probably use it, but it takes five times as long than using 21.
It’s not as intuitive as it was and without any manual to understand what all the new keyboard shortcuts are….

[BaconJunkie1]

Just to clarify ... I know there are issues in the designer using a PC w/keyboard & mouse but PC w/Xbox controller, No big issues in the designer or in the game.

[booze2407]

I think the best thing about this game is the music between holes and after finishing a round, which unfortunately isn’t really what you want. Gameplay just already feels kinda stale. I don’t know, not saying I hate it, just feels like the same old game but with a way harder swing plane. I race through a lot of rounds more than I ever used to, cause I can just get a little bored with it sometimes. I think the fittings system is just something that would turn off casuals. It’s too convoluted with the the upgrades and exchanges. I tried to explain it to someone who asked if he should buy the game, and he just laughed in confusion with what I was telling him. I think maybe they should’ve just simplified it with having golfer attributes that you can edit, only way to add a point to an attribute is taking away from another…so total pts are fixed. Make it so you need to earn the ability to edit a point, whatever. Not trying to argue that’s what it should be, just that the existing system isnt good. I can’t even recommend the game to anyone without pointing out how you will need to grind through an absolutely horrific career mode to get fittings in order to compete online. “Oh and by the way, sometimes you will complete a boring ass career round and only get a sleeve of balls” 😂

I do actually enjoy 3 click, it feels fresh. It’s the feeling you want from a new game. But they couldn’t even get that right as the same issues with polling points exists. It feels beyond stupid to play on PS4 master without perfect points, like who saw this and thought this was good game design?! I work around it so it’s still fun to play, but still. It’s a massive flaw on a good concept. Even the polling points with analog, like why would they make it possible to calibrate and not have a perfect. The whole system is just dumb.

[Oscar C]

2 very good points booze. Specifically the fittings and exchanges, is there a good thread in how this works? My head is spinning.

Also the snap points on 3 click, is it just me who feels it is so far delayed from the actual click that it’s not funny?

[booze2407]

Dec 30, 2022 1:45:41 GMT -5 Oscar C said:

2 very good points booze. Specifically the fittings and exchanges, is there a good thread in how this works? My head is spinning.

Also the snap points on 3 click, is it just me who feels it is so far delayed from the actual click that it’s not funny?

I’m not sure if there’s a thread here. Might be better off looking on YouTube to get an idea of how it works. 

For 3 click i think the delay feel depends on your system. I know PC and PS5 have more points than PS4 (can only assume Xbox too but haven’t seen it). I think it’s the rounding that makes it feel delayed. Once the meter crosses a certain area it will snap to the next closest fixed point, so it can feel like it’s landing later than when you actually clicked. Takes some getting used to.

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Dec 30, 2022 2:46:29 GMT -5 booze2407 said:

Dec 30, 2022 1:45:41 GMT -5 Oscar C said:

2 very good points booze. Specifically the fittings and exchanges, is there a good thread in how this works? My head is spinning.

Also the snap points on 3 click, is it just me who feels it is so far delayed from the actual click that it’s not funny?

I’m not sure if there’s a thread here. Might be better off looking on YouTube to get an idea of how it works. 

For 3 click i think the delay feel depends on your system. I know PC and PS5 have more points than PS4 (can only assume Xbox too but haven’t seen it). I think it’s the rounding that makes it feel delayed. Once the meter crosses a certain area it will snap to the next closest fixed point, so it can feel like it’s landing later than when you actually clicked. Takes some getting used to.

I assume this would be more about framerate and latency because of that framerate than actual controller polling rates(though lower polling rate effect's latency also), 30hz doesn't sound ideal for 3 click. Also the consoles have Vsync on by default which also causes even more input latency.
I haven't really played 3 click much but it would definitely feel more responsive at higher 60hz refresh rate for current gen performance mode and even more so with VRR and unlocked framerates on PC.

[booze2407]

Dec 30, 2022 3:12:20 GMT -5 @hammers1man said:

Dec 30, 2022 2:46:29 GMT -5 booze2407 said:

I’m not sure if there’s a thread here. Might be better off looking on YouTube to get an idea of how it works. 

For 3 click i think the delay feel depends on your system. I know PC and PS5 have more points than PS4 (can only assume Xbox too but haven’t seen it). I think it’s the rounding that makes it feel delayed. Once the meter crosses a certain area it will snap to the next closest fixed point, so it can feel like it’s landing later than when you actually clicked. Takes some getting used to.

I assume this would be more about framerate and latency because of that framerate than actual controller polling rates(though lower polling rate effect's latency also), 30hz doesn't sound ideal for 3 click. Also the consoles have Vsync on by default which also causes even more input latency.
I haven't really played 3 click much but it would definitely feel more responsive at higher 60hz refresh rate for current gen performance mode and even more so with VRR and unlocked framerates on PC.

I don’t really know about framerate stuff, but I could understand there being an input delay due to a lag. For me it’s about the fact that the fixed points you can hit are not perfect (on master). Like that just seems directly on HB laziness. Seems they could make some sort of adjustment. It’s not that big of deal, I just play a pull, but the concept of having to do that is just really stupid. I think the golden rule of analog or 3 click should be that its never impossible to hit perfect no matter the swing type, difficulty level, or system. They can’t get the basics right.

[oswinner]

The fact I still play 2k21 even though I got 2k23 a couple of months ago speaks volumes.

They’ve messed up. Hopefully EA can light a fire…

[gunslinger1972]

I tried matchmaking last night. And enjoyed it actually. The biggest issue was how laggy it was. Was like swinging a club in a backyard pool submersed in 10 feet of water.

The things I love about the game are the big selection of user made courses. And the idea that all the golf holes are on one plot of land. So you can see fairways over. But it seems so void of life. Even with the fans in the stands. They need to create animations of other NPC style golfers on the course playing random holes. They have no moving nature of any kind (except birds). Have the sheep or cows move around a little. And biggest pet peeve is High winds show in the trees. But the damn flag never moves. Never played a game that makes you feel so alone playing. They need to really enhance the environments more to create more immersion. This has never been improved on since the original golf club.

Other 2k titles like WWE 23 feel very immersive. And the character animations are so crisp in these titles.

Even in the EA golf teaser I’ve noticed it didn’t feel immersive either. Why cant a golf game have more moving environments ? Feels like you’re playing in a funeral parlor. Or you’re the only golfer stuck in purgatory after you croke. And the fans just sit or stand like they don’t even care if you ever existed. Their whole wasted NPC life is just stand and look straight ahead for eternity. Talk about s sad NPC life. If I was then, I would all get up and leave video game golf as a whole

Can someone make an immersive golf game ??

[sandbagger]

Agree^^^

I would say most if not all golf video games feel dead.Sadly my cheapo iPhone Golf Club Tycoon feels so vibrant and alive.I’m sure they can do something to make these more enjoyable playing.It’s like the world just stopped.Or a glitch in the matrix

And yes again.The poor NPC crowds must feel like they are in video game Hell.Of all the video games they could be active in.They have been sentenced to a horrible existence in the realm of 2k golf series

Pray for them folks

[sandbagger]

Something like this would really help.And when games are a blow out the fans tend to leave.

If I remember correctly.Some old school golf games would add more crowds around the greens and fairways by how you were playing.The 2k golf series just throws in a big clump via the course designer option.No immersion at all in this video game franchise

Need to be active like Nick Canon.Man had his 12th child. Haha

But it really comes down the purchasers of this franchise.We are basically idiots that keep on buying this beta products.And rarely raise any stink about it.My suggestion is don’t buy it.Once they see how it bombs they will listen to the end users.We are all idiots..Me,the entire TGC staff, and the video game golfing communities of 2k golf franchise players.Just moron no thinking idiots

[bubbadave]

Dec 30, 2022 7:16:05 GMT -5 oswinner said:

The fact I still play 2k21 even though I got 2k23 a couple of months ago speaks volumes.

They’ve messed up. Hopefully EA can light a fire…

Does anyone know if EA will have a course designer? If not, it can have all the superb graphics and gameplay it wants, but debuting 11 courses will get old real soon.

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Dec 30, 2022 14:32:21 GMT -5 bubbadave said:

Dec 30, 2022 7:16:05 GMT -5 oswinner said:

The fact I still play 2k21 even though I got 2k23 a couple of months ago speaks volumes.

They’ve messed up. Hopefully EA can light a fire…

Does anyone know if EA will have a course designer? If not, it can have all the superb graphics and gameplay it wants, but debuting 11 courses will get old real soon.

I doubt it will which is definitely one massive advantage this series has but personally speaking if they had a decent enough selection of real courses with more depth to the gameplay and actual in-game live multiplayer modes and rankings that would have me jump ship in a heartbeat. Absolutely though, a course designer would be a massive plus.

And obviously all this is in hope rather than expectation. No guarantee whatsoever what that game will be like.