A bad rap

[greyosprey]

Anyone seen any data regarding sales #'s? I've seen the steam charts, but I'm assuming that is PC only? Not sure how to interpret the player base, streaming, etc data as far as good, bad, or indifferent to know how it's performing. The fact the game's been part of two sales in under 3 months leads me to believe it's underperforming, but I'm just speculating.

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Dec 28, 2022 20:47:49 GMT -5 sandgroper said:

The final days of 21 had it pretty much on point. Sure there were other issues like drops etc, but the game play was pretty good.
23 certainly feels like more of a patch than a new release.
There are a bunch of new issues introduced where I don’t understand why this is the case, the swing mechanics didn’t change, just how the meter works.
The depth of field is ruined where you can see the trees “come into focus” as the ball approached, or if you zoom.

The biggest issue is the change to the designer which makes it virtually impossible to use with keyboard and mouse.
Again, why change something that isn’t broke?

After a patch it’s a shot in the dark as to what has changed.
The release notes are not worth the paper they are written on with most of the changes not even noted.
If your are going to remove something like splash shot why not say so in the release notes?

So for a full priced “new” game, it’s underwhelming.

The depth of field is the worst I've seen since maybe GTA 3 on the PS2. It's laughably bad and totally ruins any immersion. www.xbox.com/play/media/QS9VYZYAPJ I mean look at that from a few weeks ago. The Belfry was the same this week. It's such a massive shame because I still enjoy the true sim gameplay and both were really nice designs but the graphics and performance are such a massive step back from 21 on console.

greyosprey yeah Steam is just for pc mate but gives a good indication on there. Especially the drop-off since launch for a game they definitely intended to drive microtransactions and season pass purchases. Then on Xbox it never made an appearance high on the most played list on release or during any sales whereas 21 was high up on it everytime it went on sale. It feels dead within the game too I think. Societies lying empty because there's no incentive to play them, no new society features and can't play them in a group. In that sense I think Sroel summed it up well in that 2K21 launched at the perfect time to do huge numbers even as just passable game and the decision makers have rested on their laurels a little since then. I wouldn't be surprised if the fees for Tiger, Michael Jordan (lol) The PGA Tour and the sponsored clothing companies dwarf the development costs that went into this given how it looks and performs and the amount of missing features.

[yeltzman]

I ended up receiving it for Xmas (I made the decision to not buy it) and it’s disappointing on the extreme. So many things I could comment on and I may do so at some point but right now I can’t believe how bad it is.

Xbox one for me at xmas and i agree 100% don't think i have played anything as bad for years, Going to give it another go in the next few days if not i am heading straight back to 2k21.

[fs321]

Not being able to play society rounds with others is the big one for me. Taking the social part of the game away seems counter productive and there's no incentive for me to play the game anymore.

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Last one from me.

Here's a clip of the Rory game:



Now that's an eight year old game designed only for the older systems and when they were just launched so right at the start of the gen when Devs were still finding their feet with what they could do. And visually the course looks light years ahead of 2k23 running on Series X. Textures are better, frame rate is smoother during the swing, draw distance is far better. There's just no comparison which is unbelievable given how far game engines have progressed since 2015. Admittedly having a course designer is going to result in less impressive assets but the textureless grass and draw distance / pop in in 23 is inexcusable.

No comment on the Rory game though... it was shite haha

So yeah for me personally I think if the series is to survive they need a new engine and funding from 2K to build it. Add some gameplay depth and challenge against par and not just against the field. And, probably most importantly for the community, add some social modes. I think the last one is most important to their success and they could be doing so much more in this regard. How are they still leaning on an external site funded by donations to provide any sort of multiplayer experience in their full price game?

I hope someone from HB reads these forums and the general reaction online to this game. Genuinely not looking to pile on or criticise the game for the hell of it. I've read and written, many legitimate concerns and suggestions that shouldn't be hard to implement and are an absolute necessity for any golf game. Especially one at this price point on current gen systems. Here's hoping!

[sandbagger]

I wonder if the reason then can’t update the graphics engine is because of the vast user made courses. How would they transfer them over with a new graphics engine ?

And agree totally.Game looks so dated for being ps 4 and ps5 products.The worst player model is Tiger.He is aimed so far right most of the time

[greenlightning]

Yeah the game has problems but 3 click plays pretty well. They could do with some mo cap fix the hand positions drop zones golfer position/stance on severe sidehill lies. I play on PS4 Slim think the game looks much better overall with some exceptions but worth the 60 bucks for me. IMO if they go to a new engine and lose the course creator the game is dead. Waiting to see what EA comes up with but I know a scant forty courses will get old real quick for me. Their last effort was embarrassing. Their hockey game is stale their BB game is dead don't know why anyone would expect them to knock it out of the park with golf next year. Need to see more than a minute of canned video.

[BillySastard976]

Dec 29, 2022 9:03:53 GMT -5 sandbagger said:

I wonder if the reason then can’t update the graphics engine is because of the vast user made courses. How would they transfer them over with a new graphics engine ?

And agree totally.Game looks so dated for being ps 4 and ps5 products.The worst player model is Tiger.He is aimed so far right most of the time

As far as I understand it, with a new game and new engine they couldn't port courses from 2K23, but its a price worth paying.

We know designers would relish re-doing courses with a bright, shiny new course designer - we would be up and running in no time.

Its the little things that also annoy me, the feet shuffling ghosts, the need to ALWAYS have to turn turn order on. Plus the biggest gripe for me, suddenly the chips are easy again. I could go on but nothing surprises about this game. It was fairly obvious from pre-release Youtube videos It was 2K23 with a few bells and whistles. 

Having said all that I enjoy the game. Being on Xbox tempo is no longer the huge issue of previous games!

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Dec 29, 2022 7:03:47 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Last one from me.

Here's a clip of the Rory game:



Now that's an eight year old game designed only for the older systems and when they were just launched so right at the start of the gen when Devs were still finding their feet with what they could do. And visually the course looks light years ahead of 2k23 running on Series X. Textures are better, frame rate is smoother during the swing, draw distance is far better. There's just no comparison which is unbelievable given how far game engines have progressed since 2015. Admittedly having a course designer is going to result in less impressive assets but the textureless grass and draw distance / pop in in 23 is inexcusable.

No comment on the Rory game though... it was shite haha

So yeah for me personally I think if the series is to survive they need a new engine and funding from 2K to build it. Add some gameplay depth and challenge against par and not just against the field. And, probably most importantly for the community, add some social modes. I think the last one is most important to their success and they could be doing so much more in this regard. How are they still leaning on an external site funded by donations to provide any sort of multiplayer experience in their full price game?

I hope someone from HB reads these forums and the general reaction online to this game. Genuinely not looking to pile on or criticise the game for the hell of it. I've read and written, many legitimate concerns and suggestions that shouldn't be hard to implement and are an absolute necessity for any golf game. Especially one at this price point on current gen systems. Here's hoping!

I bought that Rory game for £6 when I also had TGC 1 on PC at and as bad as TGC1 was tee to green it was a better golf game than the trash that Rory was, it looks good but the ball flight seemed floaty to me and the scrambling and putting is just awful. I have that and every console Tiger game on the hard drives of my PS3 and PS4 Pro, they are not as great as people remember. Tiger 08 on PC was awesome and it also had a course designer, those were the days I would play a golf game with 3 click. The links series were exceptional games also but to me a course designer is paramount as playing the same courses with a few additions each release as the console game just gets tedious quickly. I just wouldn't play this game as much if we didn't have the CD and society play.
Regarding the console ports it seems like they botched it, 4K 60fps isn't easy on newer games even with a beefy GPU but Witcher 3 update on Xbox has FSR 2.0 for it's both it's performance and RT mode and I am sure we will be seeing this temperal upscaler for EA's next golf game and more console games going forward. I actually use DLSS more than I don't in games now, Death Stranding actually looks better with DLSS than native 4K with TAA.
I know people keep saying new engine better graphics but that will take it's toll on framerate who want's to play a sports game a 30hz with framerates dipping under 30fps. I haven't played the game on PS and my PS Pro is my last console I will buy as nearly every game is released on PC nowadays but it is disappointing to read that resolution and draw distances are poor like you say on XBox with 60hz mode, that would turn me off the game also Craig. 
PC US Masters in 4K HDR (though YouTube compression doesn't do it justice), I have to say it does look good on an OLED with HDR enabled, I boot up Rory today and it does look very low res and the lighting is no way as good but it is a good looking game on PS4.

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Oh yeah I totally agree Rory was a horrendous game to play. It was a massive step back from 14 at the time and a big disappointment for the first golf game on the new consoles. I feel like history is repeating itself now for me haha

And yeah 2k23 looks really nice on pc but as you say the console port is just so badly optimised. To slap a next gen tax on the series X version was insult to injury honestly given the lack of graphical options and poor frame rate even on performance mode. Honestly as others have said the gameplay isn't that bad at all. My main gripe with it is just the tee to green play feels a tad easy for my taste. It's almost entirely console performance that ruins my enjoyment.

And you're absolutely right mate. No way would 30fps be a good experience. I'm hoping the next version of this or the EA game can deliver good graphics and 60fps even if it means dropping the res in performance mode.

And don't get me wrong the EA game could be an absolute stinker as well. Time will tell on that front for sure!

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Dec 29, 2022 12:08:12 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Oh yeah I totally agree Rory was a horrendous game to play. It was a massive step back from 14 at the time and a big disappointment for the first golf game on the new consoles. I feel like history is repeating itself now for me haha

And yeah 2k23 looks really nice on pc but as you say the console port is just so badly optimised. To slap a next gen tax on the series X version was insult to injury honestly given the lack of graphical options and poor frame rate even on performance mode. Honestly as others have said the gameplay isn't that bad at all. My main gripe with it is just the tee to green play feels a tad easy for my taste. It's almost entirely console performance that ruins my enjoyment.

And you're absolutely right mate. No way would 30fps be a good experience. I'm hoping the next version of this or the EA game can deliver good graphics and 60fps even if it means dropping the res in performance mode.

And don't get me wrong the EA game could be an absolute stinker as well. Time will tell on that front for sure!

The EA game will have a much better PGA Tour immersive experience, just look at the course scoreboards on Rory with pictures of the pros on them. The problem is even if it's good what about the longevity? We might get 20 courses on release but most of those courses we have played here or on other golf games and the next yearly release will have just a few more.They will charge for course DLC which I am ok with if it's a reasonable amount to boost up the course count. Saying all that I will buy it, I just know I will even though EA is probably my most disliked publisher. They do have a 10 hour trial of their games with EA Access and Game Pass which is a great way to test out the game.

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Dec 29, 2022 12:40:44 GMT -5 @hammers1man said:

Dec 29, 2022 12:08:12 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Oh yeah I totally agree Rory was a horrendous game to play. It was a massive step back from 14 at the time and a big disappointment for the first golf game on the new consoles. I feel like history is repeating itself now for me haha

And yeah 2k23 looks really nice on pc but as you say the console port is just so badly optimised. To slap a next gen tax on the series X version was insult to injury honestly given the lack of graphical options and poor frame rate even on performance mode. Honestly as others have said the gameplay isn't that bad at all. My main gripe with it is just the tee to green play feels a tad easy for my taste. It's almost entirely console performance that ruins my enjoyment.

And you're absolutely right mate. No way would 30fps be a good experience. I'm hoping the next version of this or the EA game can deliver good graphics and 60fps even if it means dropping the res in performance mode.

And don't get me wrong the EA game could be an absolute stinker as well. Time will tell on that front for sure!

The EA game will have a much better PGA Tour immersive experience, just look at the course scoreboards on Rory with pictures of the pros on them. The problem is even if it's good what about the longevity? We might get 20 courses on release but most of those courses we have played here or on other golf games and the next yearly release will have just a few more.They will charge for course DLC which I am ok with if it's a reasonable amount to boost up the course count. Saying all that I will buy it, I just know I will even though EA is probably my most disliked publisher. They do have a 10 hour trial of their games with EA Access and Game Pass which is a great way to test out the game.

Yep can't argue with any of that. It'll be really interesting to see how both companies position their games when they're out. Especially keen to see what 2K do, and how they time it around the EA release.

[Fescue]

After 145 hrs at Master< am giving up on that level in this game. I always played master in 21 and was at least competitive. The dreaded "others" on this game have just beat me to a pulp. I am going to drop back to pro level and try and have some fun in the societies but my days at TGTC or in any Masters level difficulty venues is over.

With 21 I could hardly wait each day/week to get to my rounds and played the game against ghost rounds every evening if I had no comp rounds to finish. With this current game, I go days without playing now because I know I will be frustrated with the timing and getting through a round without a plus 8 score. I have had the occasional good run only to be brought back to reality when I run a stretch of being unable to get off the tee, out of the sand or to the green without totally blowing up and wanting to throw the controller.

Been a good run and I have always enjoyed the competition here at TGTC but I am not able to play at master and still enjoy golf. Have fun!!

[M.Bel_Trame]

Dec 29, 2022 5:33:14 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if the fees for Tiger, Michael Jordan (lol) The PGA Tour and the sponsored clothing companies dwarf the development costs that went into this given how it looks and performs and the amount of missing features.

this is a problem created by children who want the VIP on the cover. Just look at how many people asked if they could impersonate a professional in the game. Of course Tiger and Michael took the loot and ran

[sanchez]

Dec 29, 2022 14:04:09 GMT -5 Fescue said:

After 145 hrs at Master< am giving up on that level in this game. I always played master in 21 and was at least competitive. The dreaded "others" on this game have just beat me to a pulp. I am going to drop back to pro level and try and have some fun in the societies but my days at TGTC or in any Masters level difficulty venues is over.

With 21 I could hardly wait each day/week to get to my rounds and played the game against ghost rounds every evening if I had no comp rounds to finish. With this current game, I go days without playing now because I know I will be frustrated with the timing and getting through a round without a plus 8 score. I have had the occasional good run only to be brought back to reality when I run a stretch of being unable to get off the tee, out of the sand or to the green without totally blowing up and wanting to throw the controller.

Been a good run and I have always enjoyed the competition here at TGTC but I am not able to play at master and still enjoy golf. Have fun!!

try matchmaking..its on pro but lots of quitters.