A bad rap

[Oscar C]

Speaking of the NPC’s, it was definitely a guy who created the female ones. Let me know if you know what I mean by this.

[simonlunge]

Some valid complaints in this thread.But what many are ‘wishing for’ won’t be happening anytime soon.

I would like to see society events have more options available.And even have it where you must play with another live golfer in order for your score to be valid.True it might not be liked by many.But it would really give a more realism feel to events

[longpole]

Dec 30, 2022 14:45:01 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Dec 30, 2022 14:32:21 GMT -5 bubbadave said:

Does anyone know if EA will have a course designer? If not, it can have all the superb graphics and gameplay it wants, but debuting 11 courses will get old real soon.

I doubt it will which is definitely one massive advantage this series has but personally speaking if they had a decent enough selection of real courses with more depth to the gameplay and actual in-game live multiplayer modes and rankings that would have me jump ship in a heartbeat. Absolutely though, a course designer would be a massive plus.

And obviously all this is in hope rather than expectation. No guarantee whatsoever what that game will be like.

There will be a massive drop in numbers when EA drops including drops in tgc tours it's bound to happen .
If Ea have a course designer then 2k series would be sunk but it hasn't. Don't quote me on that though .
Think covid struck well b4 21 came out so that tells me it was right to stay on the old engine as it was so HARD to grab a nxt gen console , so perhaps 2k are waiting to see how good EA is b4 deciding to go to the nxt engine . If they do in the nxt game think they've gotta do a whole new course designer which will cost a few Bob.
As it stands I'm 50 50 with this game , love hate love hate .
Come on 2k sort out the society's sort out the ghosts and when crossplay comes allow private matches , perhaps society's but no doubt it will just be that 1 micky mouse difficulty online play which then will probably be curtains for me
At least then I can go back and start playing red dead and cho cho train driving as I've been hooked on this bloody golf game for years now

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Dec 31, 2022 2:58:32 GMT -5 longpole said:

Dec 30, 2022 14:45:01 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

I doubt it will which is definitely one massive advantage this series has but personally speaking if they had a decent enough selection of real courses with more depth to the gameplay and actual in-game live multiplayer modes and rankings that would have me jump ship in a heartbeat. Absolutely though, a course designer would be a massive plus.

And obviously all this is in hope rather than expectation. No guarantee whatsoever what that game will be like.

There will be a massive drop in numbers when EA drops including drops in tgc tours it's bound to happen .
If Ea have a course designer then 2k series would be sunk but it hasn't. Don't quote me on that though .
Think covid struck well b4 21 came out so that tells me it was right to stay on the old engine as it was so HARD to grab a nxt gen console , so perhaps 2k are waiting to see how good EA is b4 deciding to go to the nxt engine . If they do in the nxt game think they've gotta do a whole new course designer which will cost a few Bob.
As it stands I'm 50 50 with this game , love hate love hate .
Come on 2k sort out the society's sort out the ghosts and when crossplay comes allow private matches , perhaps society's but no doubt it will just be that 1 micky mouse difficulty online play which then will probably be curtains for me
At least then I can go back and start playing red dead and cho cho train driving as I've been hooked on this bloody golf game for years now

Oh yeah for sure there's no way 21 could've been a big step before the new consoles released because they'd have to have redone all that work for 23. But this one absolutely could have. I think it's a bit of a mistake to view the old consoles as a get out of jail card for the lack of progression too. Plenty of games that released years ago on them have way more complex engines than this. And plenty of others scale really well between old gen and current gen to look amazing at the top end and be playable on the old systems.

I'd say I'm hate hate hate hate 😂 but I was saying to Smijti last night I really miss the competition and laughs in Sanc. I really do think we're all too good as a community for the settings on TGC Tours right now and it's totally killed any enjoyment I get from playing or watching with grids and / or marker.

last one on the engine but here's a clip from TGC2 that's maybe a fairer comparison than the EA game. (How can little old 2K compete with all their GTA and Borderlands money from TakeTwo publishing 🙄 but anyway.. lol) hand on heart the course looks pretty much the same to me as 23 albeit with a better frame rate in 23 and a better draw distance in TGC2. Certainly nowhere near the difference you'd expect three games, a pro version of those consoles, another new generation of consoles, being bought by one of the most wealthy publishers in all of gaming and six years of 'development' later anyway. Not to mention it had more multiplayer options lol It wouldn't be that annoying if 21 didn't have vastly superior textures, a more grounded colour palette and not look half as cartoony in between the two.


Edit: and btw I'm not arguing or being a knob or anything. Like I say it's a handy place to keep track of why some people are a bit underwhelmed with the game. You'd hope someone at HB browses these sites occasionally. I'd hope they would interact here honestly - of all the games I've played with a multiplayer community they're the only Devs that don't - but I think that's REALLY a pipedream.

[greenlightning]

EA is never going to include a course designer in their game. 2k is not paying for a new engine/course designer until they see how well the offering EA is putting out sells.

2k gave up on football hockey and baseball EA gave up on basketball do you think they're gonna put money into a losing proposition?

I wouldn't get too excited about EA's golf game yet they haven't shown much of anything and their last effort was garbage.

[sroel908]

Dec 31, 2022 6:43:57 GMT -5 greenlightning said:

EA is never going to include a course designer in their game. 2k is not paying for a new engine/course designer until they see how well the offering EA is putting out sells.

2k gave up on football hockey and baseball EA gave up on basketball do you think they're gonna put money into a losing proposition?

I wouldn't get too excited about EA's golf game yet they haven't shown much of anything and their last effort was garbage.

Every time I get a little excited about EA rejoining the golf space to provide competition, I remember they can pull off stuff like this...losing 60% of all Madden NFL 23 Franchise Modes. Oops.

answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion-Updates-News/Madden-23-Franchise-Update-12-30/m-p/12175981/thread-id/5563

[martbloke]

For me, the game is just downright bad. Haven't touched it in over a month now I think - basically since trying it again after the last actual update whenever that was.

Unfortunately, it's the little things they've changed that have not allowed me to enjoy the good updates in the short game. My opinion is it's a lazy, half-arsed attempt at a sequel to 2k21.

As bad as the short game is on 2k21, when I play it, I'm in love with the series. When I try 2k23, I despise it. 2k21 is the better game IMO for enjoyment.

[donkeypuncherben]

Dec 28, 2022 18:40:26 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Dec 28, 2022 18:30:46 GMT -5 donkeypuncherben said:

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Honestly mate I'd argue listening to feedback from the players and reacting to the mass exodus after the red fast patch has dumbed this game down to the point we're at where it's a very casual experience all round. Full loft full spin and very fast is the new splash shot except you don't even need to worry about tempo on it.

It's interesting to see how people can view these changes totally differently. Gameplay wise I'd say the only thing that's more difficult is chipping from the rough, and that's a welcome change for sure! Maybe putting also but to the total detriment of realism in my opinion. But everything else is just so painfully easy and it seems to be reflected in the scores. Even in true sim master societies its just lights out round after round with FiR and GiR in the 90% range tournament after tournament.

I honestly don't know what the red fast patch is an I'm a little afraid to ask.  Have things changed back to the early days of 2k21 or something where playing for perfect is no longer the best way to be consistent?  If so I honestly had no idea.

The big difference in the short game is you have to worry more about distance control and the slopes of the green than in previous versions.  If you found chipping from the fairway or hitting greenside bunker shots more difficult in 2k21 than 2k23 I have to think you weren't very good at 2k21.  

If the swing is too easy just play on legend swing.  To me, it is really fantastic if you want a challenge.  I can play for hours just on single player casual rounds 

[donkeypuncherben]

There is always going to be the issue that the developer needs to sell the game to casual players who want to score at PGA tour or better levels without developing much skill at the game. There is not really a way to make that possible without also making the scoring extremely easy for skilled players at any level. I actually think 2k did a great job in terms of the difficulty options.

Like playing no grid, no scout cam, legend swing I will score somewhere between -6 and +3 on a normal course and if you crank up the conditions I could set it up so I have to get really lucky to break par. Seems like we're simultaneously getting complaints that it is too easy from some people and that it is too hard from others and to me that is a sign that they found a good balance.

[Deleted]

Regarding the upcoming EA Golf game, I’d be really surprised if it’s not great given Augusta National’s brand and reputation are involved. They don’t need the money, so it’s not a money grab to them. I’m enjoying 2k23 and the online matchmaking. If not for TGC Tours and the incredible, talented course designers (THANK YOU!), this game would have had a much shorter play life for me.

[simonlunge]

Wondering if TGC tours will create a tour for the EA game when released. If EA has a strong single player career mode. Than I will solely play that game

[fourthgenben]

Dec 31, 2022 12:51:46 GMT -5 donkeypuncherben said:

There is always going to be the issue that the developer needs to sell the game to casual players who want to score at PGA tour or better levels without developing much skill at the game. There is not really a way to make that possible without also making the scoring extremely easy for skilled players at any level. I actually think 2k did a great job in terms of the difficulty options.

Like playing no grid, no scout cam, legend swing I will score somewhere between -6 and +3 on a normal course and if you crank up the conditions I could set it up so I have to get really lucky to break par. Seems like we're simultaneously getting complaints that it is too easy from some people and that it is too hard from others and to me that is a sign that they found a good balance.

I've owned every version of the game since the original. I don't play that much to be honest - maybe an average of 2-3 hours a week. I play at professional swing level with most of the 'training wheels' that have been added turned off. 

I don't find the game particularly easy. I score about the same as you in career mode. I hit a lot of fairways but struggle with timing on irons, and find the greens extremely difficult to hold. I really like the change to chipping/splash shots and feel like i've got a good grip of it now. 

If you guys can hit a small green from 230 yards out, with water to the left, and hold it every time, at legend swing level, then fair play. I find that I can hit a perfect straight swing, with perfect timing, off a flat fairway, and it will still 'jump' a bit left or right so that i'll miss the green. 

[donkeypuncherben]

Dec 31, 2022 15:55:30 GMT -5 fourthgenben said:

Dec 31, 2022 12:51:46 GMT -5 donkeypuncherben said:

There is always going to be the issue that the developer needs to sell the game to casual players who want to score at PGA tour or better levels without developing much skill at the game. There is not really a way to make that possible without also making the scoring extremely easy for skilled players at any level. I actually think 2k did a great job in terms of the difficulty options.

Like playing no grid, no scout cam, legend swing I will score somewhere between -6 and +3 on a normal course and if you crank up the conditions I could set it up so I have to get really lucky to break par. Seems like we're simultaneously getting complaints that it is too easy from some people and that it is too hard from others and to me that is a sign that they found a good balance.

I've owned every version of the game since the original. I don't play that much to be honest - maybe an average of 2-3 hours a week. I play at professional swing level with most of the 'training wheels' that have been added turned off. 

I don't find the game particularly easy. I score about the same as you in career mode. I hit a lot of fairways but struggle with timing on irons, and find the greens extremely difficult to hold. I really like the change to chipping/splash shots and feel like i've got a good grip of it now. 

If you guys can hit a small green from 230 yards out, with water to the left, and hold it every time, at legend swing level, then fair play. I find that I can hit a perfect straight swing, with perfect timing, off a flat fairway, and it will still 'jump' a bit left or right so that i'll miss the green. 

Right, on legend swing that shot is a low probability for even the best players.  But you don't have to have that shot in your bag to shoot -6.  You just have to be really consistent with getting up and down and two putting while scoring on the short holes (which could be done thorough blasting it near the green and getting up and down or through laying back to a comfortable wedge or pitch distance).  

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Dec 31, 2022 12:37:56 GMT -5 donkeypuncherben said:

Dec 28, 2022 18:40:26 GMT -5 @craigh1989 said:

Honestly mate I'd argue listening to feedback from the players and reacting to the mass exodus after the red fast patch has dumbed this game down to the point we're at where it's a very casual experience all round. Full loft full spin and very fast is the new splash shot except you don't even need to worry about tempo on it.

It's interesting to see how people can view these changes totally differently. Gameplay wise I'd say the only thing that's more difficult is chipping from the rough, and that's a welcome change for sure! Maybe putting also but to the total detriment of realism in my opinion. But everything else is just so painfully easy and it seems to be reflected in the scores. Even in true sim master societies its just lights out round after round with FiR and GiR in the 90% range tournament after tournament.

I honestly don't know what the red fast patch is an I'm a little afraid to ask.  Have things changed back to the early days of 2k21 or something where playing for perfect is no longer the best way to be consistent?  If so I honestly had no idea.

The big difference in the short game is you have to worry more about distance control and the slopes of the green than in previous versions.  If you found chipping from the fairway or hitting greenside bunker shots more difficult in 2k21 than 2k23 I have to think you weren't very good at 2k21.  

If the swing is too easy just play on legend swing.  To me, it is really fantastic if you want a challenge.  I can play for hours just on single player casual rounds 

I was alright on 21 lol

So yeah the red fast patch basically stopped it being possible to aim right and very fast every shot. It was what led to the tours going to pro and - imo of course - made low low scoring the norm (first the red fast exploit and then the drop to pro)

And unfortunately legend is totally broken on Xbox on this version or I'd absolutely play it. It was far and away my favourite way to play 2k21.

And just to be clear I'm absolutely not saying the game is devoid of skill on these settings or anything like that. Just that the gameplay isn't what I'm looking for, and I know some others aren't looking for. In that period between the red fast patch and the switch to pro it felt like rounds were far more exciting. You'd see people go on great runs, be nervous over the ball on stream, bounce back from slow starts to win. Since the switch to pro and the easier tempo in 23 it's just a birdie fest. It'll absolutely appeal to a lot of people and there is a challenge against the field but given the original question of what puts people off this version and what will draw people back in future games the big one for me is the ease of the long game.

I absolutely agree though and if legend worked on Xbox or master gave a little bit more punishing misses I'd set up another true sim legend society on there and play the game instead of moaning about it lol

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Dec 31, 2022 12:51:46 GMT -5 donkeypuncherben said:

There is always going to be the issue that the developer needs to sell the game to casual players who want to score at PGA tour or better levels without developing much skill at the game. There is not really a way to make that possible without also making the scoring extremely easy for skilled players at any level. I actually think 2k did a great job in terms of the difficulty options.

Like playing no grid, no scout cam, legend swing I will score somewhere between -6 and +3 on a normal course and if you crank up the conditions I could set it up so I have to get really lucky to break par. Seems like we're simultaneously getting complaints that it is too easy from some people and that it is too hard from others and to me that is a sign that they found a good balance.

And I totally agree with this.

I would absolutely love to watch the top players play legend swing, no marker, no grids. They're absolutely amazing at this game. Honestly if there was a scene for that I'd be back on PlayStation in a heartbeat and practicing on that controller to play in it and watch every stream. You can't force people to play settings they don't want to but I'm firmly of the opinion the top tier of players just aren't *actually* challenged on these settings. I would include myself on 21 in that bracket. I've barely played this one so I've no idea if I'm still one of the better Xbox players or not honestly.

I totally get why the tours keep one difficulty setting for all - not least because you're essentially excluding one platform altogether on those settings (another one for 2k to work on I guess if they read these!) - but i think that would make for great viewing and be really fun for all involved.