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Post by paddyjk19 on Nov 12, 2022 17:14:59 GMT -5
Just to add to this;
I was using elite on PC and it was a nightmare, so many random tempos which was a shame because I liked the stiffened sticks and just general build quality (still use it in designer for that reason).
I got a dual sense and couldn’t get on with thumb stick position as a lifelong Xbox style controller user. I did notice it was much better tempo, I didn’t get randoms.
Decided to try the Thrustmaster eSwap Pro due to good polling rates as standard but position of thumb stick can be changed to either Xbox style or PlayStation style. The sticks are looser than Xbox so it’s harder to swing straight but the tempo is also excellent like the dual sense. I overclocked it to 1000hz.
Today I did some messing around with both Dual sense and eSwap;
Clocked DS to 8000hz and actually found it harder to hit perfects than on 1000hz but there was no VS or VF on full shots. Then went back to the eSwap and hit a few more perfects than both 8000 DS and 1000 DS. This might just be down to the familiarity of the thumb position. The sticks felt stiffer on DS and this was preferable but I still swing the eSwap straighter but not as straight as the elite.
I’ll carry on with the eSwap but the DS is a great controller and it may trialled again if I struggle.
It’s a good option for those who like Xbox layout over DS but want reasonable tempo. It also has awesome triggers and the face buttons click like a mouse - didn’t need that function but I love it now.
You can also buy replace the thumb sticks for £20 if you start getting drift eventually
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Post by blueblood1995 on Nov 12, 2022 22:59:56 GMT -5
I thought the issue was the Xbox controller and not the Xbox itself ?? I've followed loosely some of the discussion around polling points on this forum and did see a 40 odd min You Tube video by a young guy who seemed to now what he was talking about. I understood the issue to be with the controller. Maybe money down the drain ?? What's the max frequency of the Xbox controller ?? I don't think you'll get more than 125hz syc'd from it, but, crucially, it may have a better (tighter) range of mhz spread, so you MAY, get less WTF moments... maybe. At least an improrvement in that area may help then. Cross my fingers. So Xbox limited to 125. Was PS 800 and PC something similar ?? So if it's not controller limited then it's a system/hardware issue right with the console itself right ?? |
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Post by blueblood1995 on Nov 12, 2022 23:08:20 GMT -5
Slight tangent... is the PS DualSense Edge the equivalent of the Elite 2 controller, i.e. their premium controller ??
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Post by blueblood1995 on Nov 12, 2022 23:25:28 GMT -5
I'm also finding my tempo is improved when I'm playing solo play and not Career or Society mode. I think I've read elsewehere that many others are experiencing this also. Am I right ??
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Post by paddyjk19 on Nov 13, 2022 3:44:34 GMT -5
I don't think you'll get more than 125hz syc'd from it, but, crucially, it may have a better (tighter) range of mhz spread, so you MAY, get less WTF moments... maybe. At least an improrvement in that area may help then. Cross my fingers. So Xbox limited to 125. Was PS 800 and PC something similar ?? So if it's not controller limited then it's a system/hardware issue right with the console itself right ?? You can over clock to 8000hz with a dual sense on PC, which makes it super accurate, can also make it harder to hit perfects but would certainly eliminate random VF or VS, you’d know when you’ve made a bad swing |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Nov 13, 2022 3:47:23 GMT -5
I don't think you'll get more than 125hz syc'd from it, but, crucially, it may have a better (tighter) range of mhz spread, so you MAY, get less WTF moments... maybe. At least an improrvement in that area may help then. Cross my fingers. So Xbox limited to 125. Was PS 800 and PC something similar ?? So if it's not controller limited then it's a system/hardware issue right with the console itself right ?? It’s both console and controller. A system will have a method of communicating with the controller and that will have limitations, the controllers designed for these systems are designed to match that rate although in this case, DS can be over locked well on PC (I felt default rates were best for PC during testing but was hardly a scientific experiment) |
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 13, 2022 5:41:10 GMT -5
Slight tangent... is the PS DualSense Edge the equivalent of the Elite 2 controller, i.e. their premium controller ?? Yes, it is. I like a controller... but it's bloody expensive. |
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 13, 2022 6:03:49 GMT -5
I don't think you'll get more than 125hz syc'd from it, but, crucially, it may have a better (tighter) range of mhz spread, so you MAY, get less WTF moments... maybe. At least an improrvement in that area may help then. Cross my fingers. So Xbox limited to 125. Was PS 800 and PC something similar ?? So if it's not controller limited then it's a system/hardware issue right with the console itself right ?? PS = 800mhz wireless, 250mhz wired. XB = 125mhz, period. PC (Sony) = Overclockable to be more responsive / repeatable than standard PC (XB) = 125hz, period. XB controllers are polling rate locked... |
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Post by lessangster on Nov 13, 2022 6:19:12 GMT -5
Would using a wired only controller on Xbox be any different
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 13, 2022 6:46:54 GMT -5
Would using a wired only controller on Xbox be any different No |
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 13, 2022 6:48:33 GMT -5
XB appears to be in the best place it's been for years on this game - it still however will never have comparable controller response rates to that of the PS, or PC (when using a Sony controller).
Realistically, on PC anyone with the a basic technical understanding, and a bit of patience, could create an optimal response rate / swing calibration profile that would be meta. Better than PS or XB - but that's the flexibility you get on PC vs console.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Nov 13, 2022 8:06:28 GMT -5
XB appears to be in the best place it's been for years on this game - it still however will never have comparable controller response rates to that of the PS, or PC (when using a Sony controller). Realistically, on PC anyone with the a basic technical understanding, and a bit of patience, could create an optimal response rate / swing calibration profile that would be meta. Better than PS or XB - but that's the flexibility you get on PC vs console. I’ve tried a wide range so far and I seem to get best results on 800-1000. Not loads of perfects but just the misses feel right, like they should and no ransoms. 250 on PC with high frame rates didn’t get me anywhere but from all accounts it’s a good number on PS but so is the 800 wireless option from what I’ve heard |
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 13, 2022 15:11:36 GMT -5
XB appears to be in the best place it's been for years on this game - it still however will never have comparable controller response rates to that of the PS, or PC (when using a Sony controller). Realistically, on PC anyone with the a basic technical understanding, and a bit of patience, could create an optimal response rate / swing calibration profile that would be meta. Better than PS or XB - but that's the flexibility you get on PC vs console. I’ve tried a wide range so far and I seem to get best results on 800-1000. Not loads of perfects but just the misses feel right, like they should and no ransoms. 250 on PC with high frame rates didn’t get me anywhere but from all accounts it’s a good number on PS but so is the 800 wireless option from what I’ve heard 250hz locked 60fps should get you to PS5 wired cal. With a bit of fiddling, you should be able to combine the mhz with a calibration routine that would give good results at either edge of the perfect window. [edit] Just seen you've been using a Thrustmaster - might be ok, however, would be prudent to check with Admin to see how your rounds came out on API. Many a horror story has gone by previously on anything other than stock pads. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Nov 13, 2022 15:24:27 GMT -5
I’ve tried a wide range so far and I seem to get best results on 800-1000. Not loads of perfects but just the misses feel right, like they should and no ransoms. 250 on PC with high frame rates didn’t get me anywhere but from all accounts it’s a good number on PS but so is the 800 wireless option from what I’ve heard 250hz locked 60fps should get you to PS5 wired cal. With a bit of fiddling, you should be able to combine the mhz with a calibration routine that would give good results at either edge of the perfect window. [edit] Just seen you've been using a Thrustmaster - might be ok, however, would be prudent to check with Admin to see how your rounds came out on API. Many a horror story has gone by previously on anything other than stock pads. What sort of calibration gives you that? Hopefully the eSwap will be fine, it’s so bloody sensitive can’t see if having any advantage! Almost a hinderence! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 15:37:10 GMT -5
I have started playing the Dual Sense 5 wireless on my PC. Wired I hardly ever hit perfect tempo, wireless I am hitting loads of perfects and it feels a lot better. Nice to be free of the cord  |
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