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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 4:24:33 GMT -5
What advantages are PS players supposed to have? If it’s just vs XB - it’s a non point at this stage. Is there any actual evidence to prove that PS have some advantages over PC in 2k21? PC is such a wide range of specs and setups it’d be difficult to really prove anything with one single rule I’d imagine. I have been hitting the chipping green on both PS4 and PC and honestly PC and PS4 feel practically the same game to me. Also what you said about splash and pitch being easier. It definitely is easier to hit good tempo with those shots now. I use to avoid full pitch shots but played partial pitch shot. I can hit inside the grey zone 9 out of ten times now. Also a partial full shot was a disaster for me resulting in a fast tempo for most shots. Now I can pull them off pretty well. The short game has been massively improved also apart from chip which I still had 2 hole outs recently with very fast tempo. Splash shot spin from bad lies has been reduced also making a more realistic shot. Pitch has good spin and check as it should from the fairway. I have been b%&ing about tempo needing being more critical for the short game and greenside rough being more than just a distance penalty over on HB's forum. Good timing should be rewarded and bad timing punished, very fast or slow should be really punished from a poor lie. |
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Post by dansamp on May 17, 2021 6:07:47 GMT -5
What advantages are PS players supposed to have? If it’s just vs XB - it’s a non point at this stage. Is there any actual evidence to prove that PS have some advantages over PC in 2k21? PC is such a wide range of specs and setups it’d be difficult to really prove anything with one single rule I’d imagine. Check out CSeanny's post and video here: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/28115/tips-perfect-tempo(The video is called 'Got Perfect Tempo' or something, just can't access right now as I'm on VPN). Significant, significant, advantage for PS wired via 250Hz over all other systems. EDIT: For what it's worth, it's possible to be playing XB on PRO and not even have 2 perfect points... lol. |
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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on May 17, 2021 6:15:19 GMT -5
I don't know if PC players get the advantages of the PS players. I play PC and these last two updates to the swing mechanic have destroyed the game for me. As someone who has played the game on both PS4 and now PC, PS4 is a good bit easier than PC. If I was genuinely concerned about playing the absolute best I could, I'd play my tour rounds on PS4 and stream on PC, but I like streaming my tour rounds and doing it through PS4 is a pain without a capture card, so I've accepted that I won't be quite as good on a PC and just get on with it. |
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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on May 17, 2021 6:26:35 GMT -5
I don't know if PC players get the advantages of the PS players. I play PC and these last two updates to the swing mechanic have destroyed the game for me. As someone who has played the game on both PS4 and now PC, PS4 is a good bit easier than PC. If I was genuinely concerned about playing the absolute best I could, I'd play my tour rounds on PS4 and stream on PC, but I like streaming my tour rounds and doing it through PS4 is a pain without a capture card, so I've accepted that I won't be quite as good on a PC and just get on with it. To give an example, when I was playing on PS4, I made it to plat and was threatening to make cuts (missed by 1 twice in the couple of events I played plat on PS4). Then I switched to PC and even after weeks of playing tons on it, it became a fight to avoid demo marks that I eventually lost and fell back to Elite. It just seemed easier to hit the tempo I was looking for on PS4. |
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Post by moneyman273 on May 17, 2021 6:47:07 GMT -5
I think if someone on XB1 wants to make noise - this forum thread is not going to do much. My suggestion would be to get a very concise, well put together video showing how you can't hit certain spots on the dial - calmly explaining that the equipment/console you are using is not allowing you to play the game the way HB intends (as evidenced by results on PC where almost any spot on the dial is up for grabs). Then offer up a couple of solutions (ie maybe a different metric on XB1 consoles that accounts for the equipment's polling rates) and then try to calmly and respectfully request change as many times as you see fit with as many friends as you can gather.
They key is a quick and to the point video - without that you won't get far.
The reason it's discussed here is because TGCT is cross platform, not because this is the place where change will occur. I for one greatly appreciate you allowing discussion to occur and not chastising us for said discussion, like so many others have. |
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Post by r0nrun on May 17, 2021 6:58:03 GMT -5
Just add this to the front page on TGCT and i am all good   |
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Post by Koop on May 17, 2021 7:00:24 GMT -5
I think if someone on XB1 wants to make noise - this forum thread is not going to do much. My suggestion would be to get a very concise, well put together video showing how you can't hit certain spots on the dial - calmly explaining that the equipment/console you are using is not allowing you to play the game the way HB intends (as evidenced by results on PC where almost any spot on the dial is up for grabs). Then offer up a couple of solutions (ie maybe a different metric on XB1 consoles that accounts for the equipment's polling rates) and then try to calmly and respectfully request change as many times as you see fit with as many friends as you can gather.
They key is a quick and to the point video - without that you won't get far.
The reason it's discussed here is because TGCT is cross platform, not because this is the place where change will occur. I for one greatly appreciate you allowing discussion to occur and not chastising us for said discussion, like so many others have. Amen $man |
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Post by j3ngs_ on May 17, 2021 7:52:47 GMT -5
Was there another nerf after the original red fast nerf? I noticed on the Kinetic leaderboard that there are a lot of high scores so far
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Post by fadgewacker on May 17, 2021 8:16:49 GMT -5
What advantages are PS players supposed to have? If it’s just vs XB - it’s a non point at this stage. Is there any actual evidence to prove that PS have some advantages over PC in 2k21? PC is such a wide range of specs and setups it’d be difficult to really prove anything with one single rule I’d imagine. Check out CSeanny's post and video here: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/28115/tips-perfect-tempo(The video is called 'Got Perfect Tempo' or something, just can't access right now as I'm on VPN). Significant, significant, advantage for PS wired via 250Hz over all other systems. EDIT: For what it's worth, it's possible to be playing XB on PRO and not even have 2 perfect points... lol. Cheers Dan, now I check, I know that video from back in the day. I always played wired in 19 - never, ever wireless. 2K21 wired PS4 connection I would get a certain amount of "snap to" points. I personally didn't like it and ended up playing wireless as I preferred the additional granularity / feedback it afforded. Call me a weirdo... I'm not sure if this will surprise folk, or if they would like to believe otherwise of what happens over here on PS Tours (tm), but very few people will go to the lengths that Sean has and even fewer can do it as successfully as he does. So we have a scenario where if PS4 players play wired, and are able to manufacture a calibration scheme capable of replicating what Sean has, they can end up hitting more perfects due to a lower polling rate when wired. Question for cseanny do you know if this exact phenomenon translates to PS5 on the dualsense, and if the edge calibration technique is still repeatable on both Sony machines "x" months on? Also, I'd be amazed if a PC rig of sorts couldn't replicate a low poll rate for a pad... If anyone knows - you will. What's your take? It amazes me (sort of) that because one of the best players around can prove that something is possible, with a degree of commitment to achieving it, if a PS4 (possibly PS5) player plays wired, and has a successful calibration regime, he/she can have an advantage, that this is all of a sudden PS Tours and everyone else might as well go home  . The vast majority of people here will just pick up a pad and play lads... but have at it. Nobody disagrees XB has a rough time. Nobody disagrees that low wired poll rate causes less tempo "slots" on the roulette wheel. Biggest elephant in the room is XB hardware vs TGC swing timing, and has been for the last couple of releases at least. |
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Post by moneyman273 on May 17, 2021 8:20:27 GMT -5
Check out CSeanny's post and video here: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/28115/tips-perfect-tempo(The video is called 'Got Perfect Tempo' or something, just can't access right now as I'm on VPN). Significant, significant, advantage for PS wired via 250Hz over all other systems. EDIT: For what it's worth, it's possible to be playing XB on PRO and not even have 2 perfect points... lol. Cheers Dan, now I check, I know that video from back in the day. I always played wired in 19 - never, ever wireless. 2K21 wired PS4 connection I would get a certain amount of "snap to" points. I personally didn't like it and ended up playing wireless as I preferred the additional granularity / feedback it afforded. Call me a weirdo... I'm not sure if this will surprise folk, or if they would like to believe otherwise of what happens over here on PS Tours (tm), but very few people will go to the lengths that Sean has and even fewer can do it as successfully as he does. So we have a scenario where if PS4 players play wired, and are able to manufacture a calibration scheme capable of replicating what Sean has, they can end up hitting more perfects due to a lower polling rate when wired. Question for cseanny do you know if this exact phenomenon translates to PS5 on the dualsense, and if the edge calibration technique is still repeatable on both Sony machines "x" months on? Also, I'd be amazed if a PC rig of sorts couldn't replicate a low poll rate for a pad... If anyone knows - you will. What's your take? It amazes me (sort of) that because one of the best players around can prove that something is possible, with a degree of commitment to achieving it, if a PS4 (possibly PS5) player plays wired, and has a successful calibration regime, he/she can have an advantage, that this is all of a sudden PS Tours and everyone else might as well go home . The vast majority of people here will just pick up a pad and play lads... but have at it. Nobody disagrees XB has a rough time. Nobody disagrees that low wired poll rate causes less tempo "slots" on the roulette wheel. Biggest elephant in the room is XB hardware vs TGC swing timing, and has been for the last couple of releases at least. I've never played with a wired controller. I'm Xbox One original. Heck, I'm willing to try anything at this point. Prayer, herbal remedies, metronome, soft music..... |
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Post by fadgewacker on May 17, 2021 8:22:40 GMT -5
Cheers Dan, now I check, I know that video from back in the day. I always played wired in 19 - never, ever wireless. 2K21 wired PS4 connection I would get a certain amount of "snap to" points. I personally didn't like it and ended up playing wireless as I preferred the additional granularity / feedback it afforded. Call me a weirdo... I'm not sure if this will surprise folk, or if they would like to believe otherwise of what happens over here on PS Tours (tm), but very few people will go to the lengths that Sean has and even fewer can do it as successfully as he does. So we have a scenario where if PS4 players play wired, and are able to manufacture a calibration scheme capable of replicating what Sean has, they can end up hitting more perfects due to a lower polling rate when wired. Question for cseanny do you know if this exact phenomenon translates to PS5 on the dualsense, and if the edge calibration technique is still repeatable on both Sony machines "x" months on? Also, I'd be amazed if a PC rig of sorts couldn't replicate a low poll rate for a pad... If anyone knows - you will. What's your take? It amazes me (sort of) that because one of the best players around can prove that something is possible, with a degree of commitment to achieving it, if a PS4 (possibly PS5) player plays wired, and has a successful calibration regime, he/she can have an advantage, that this is all of a sudden PS Tours and everyone else might as well go home . The vast majority of people here will just pick up a pad and play lads... but have at it. Nobody disagrees XB has a rough time. Nobody disagrees that low wired poll rate causes less tempo "slots" on the roulette wheel. Biggest elephant in the room is XB hardware vs TGC swing timing, and has been for the last couple of releases at least. I've never played with a wired controller. I'm Xbox One original. Heck, I'm willing to try anything at this point. Prayer, herbal remedies, metronome, soft music..... Metronome and soft music landed me with 2 kids... proceed with caution. |
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Post by dansamp on May 17, 2021 8:31:12 GMT -5
Cheers Dan, now I check, I know that video from back in the day. I always played wired in 19 - never, ever wireless. 2K21 wired PS4 connection I would get a certain amount of "snap to" points. I personally didn't like it and ended up playing wireless as I preferred the additional granularity / feedback it afforded. Call me a weirdo... I'm not sure if this will surprise folk, or if they would like to believe otherwise of what happens over here on PS Tours (tm), but very few people will go to the lengths that Sean has and even fewer can do it as successfully as he does. So we have a scenario where if PS4 players play wired, and are able to manufacture a calibration scheme capable of replicating what Sean has, they can end up hitting more perfects due to a lower polling rate when wired. Question for cseanny do you know if this exact phenomenon translates to PS5 on the dualsense, and if the edge calibration technique is still repeatable on both Sony machines "x" months on? Also, I'd be amazed if a PC rig of sorts couldn't replicate a low poll rate for a pad... If anyone knows - you will. What's your take? It amazes me (sort of) that because one of the best players around can prove that something is possible, with a degree of commitment to achieving it, if a PS4 (possibly PS5) player plays wired, and has a successful calibration regime, he/she can have an advantage, that this is all of a sudden PS Tours and everyone else might as well go home . The vast majority of people here will just pick up a pad and play lads... but have at it. Nobody disagrees XB has a rough time. Nobody disagrees that low wired poll rate causes less tempo "slots" on the roulette wheel. Biggest elephant in the room is XB hardware vs TGC swing timing, and has been for the last couple of releases at least. I've never played with a wired controller. I'm Xbox One original. Heck, I'm willing to try anything at this point. Prayer, herbal remedies, metronome, soft music..... Don't worry I've already tested it. Wired vs. wireless makes no difference on XB. Well maybe wired would be a slight edge because you don't have the occasional data transfer hiccup, but it doesn't alter polling rate. And fadgewacker it doesn't matter PS4 vs. PS5 from what I'm aware. Dingersinger for example is PS5 and he lately uses DS4 controller for drives + approaches (taking advantage of 250hz wired + the overpowered calibration) and PS5 controller for chipping/putts (because he prefers the feel!). I personally believe a PC rig can duplicate this stuff if you put the time in, but I am not able to confirm  . But if you watch any of the top PS4 players on twitch and pay close attention, you'll notice they all have the same calibration  . |
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Post by Rad Ad on May 17, 2021 8:34:26 GMT -5
I play in another society on Pro with the swing meter on (only differences from TGCT settings). I had an 11 yard bunker shot. Never had a problem with those even after the first update. Left my ball in the bunker three times and made triple, and not because I couldn't get over a lip, but because the ball went about four feet. Used LW pitches out of the bunker for the rest of the round. Seems really specific to splashes. May as well just get rid of that shot option if HB is gonna do that. I said basically the same thing in a different thread earlier today. I will only use pitch shots out of bunkers now because it takes me 2-3 attempts to get out using splash shots. I could go learn how to correctly hit a splash shot, but for this weeks tournament I will just stick to pitch shots Yeah, I was actually wondering to myself if pitching out of the bunker is now a higher percentage play. I can hit perfect on pitch shots 9 times out of 10, but on splashes not so much. I'm not necessarily opposed to the change, as these shots were probably far too easy. Realistically, a full swing shot that goes 20 yards in golf is one of the hardest to execute, so I don't have a problem with making it harder. Splash has been my go-to in and around the greens because they have been so easy to execute, so this change will have a big impact. Possibly even bigger than the changes to red fast full swings. |
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Post by fadgewacker on May 17, 2021 8:47:59 GMT -5
I've never played with a wired controller. I'm Xbox One original. Heck, I'm willing to try anything at this point. Prayer, herbal remedies, metronome, soft music..... Don't worry I've already tested it. Wired vs. wireless makes no difference on XB. Well maybe wired would be a slight edge because you don't have the occasional data transfer hiccup, but it doesn't alter polling rate. And fadgewacker it doesn't matter PS4 vs. PS5 from what I'm aware. Dingersinger for example is PS5 and he lately uses DS4 controller for drives + approaches (taking advantage of 250hz wired + the overpowered calibration) and PS5 controller for chipping/putts (because he prefers the feel!). I personally believe a PC rig can duplicate this stuff if you put the time in, but I am not able to confirm . But if you watch any of the top PS4 players on twitch and pay close attention, you'll notice they all have the same calibration . Someone swaps controllers for drives and approaches... wow. So does the DSense NOT poll wired @250hz? |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 8:54:44 GMT -5
I said basically the same thing in a different thread earlier today. I will only use pitch shots out of bunkers now because it takes me 2-3 attempts to get out using splash shots. I could go learn how to correctly hit a splash shot, but for this weeks tournament I will just stick to pitch shots Yeah, I was actually wondering to myself if pitching out of the bunker is now a higher percentage play. I can hit perfect on pitch shots 9 times out of 10, but on splashes not so much. I'm not necessarily opposed to the change, as these shots were probably far too easy. Realistically, a full swing shot that goes 20 yards in golf is one of the hardest to execute, so I don't have a problem with making it harder. Splash has been my go-to in and around the greens because they have been so easy to execute, so this change will have a big impact. Possibly even bigger than the changes to red fast full swings. I use pitch shot from 10 yards up to 50 always have. Give it a practice on the chipping green from different distance is a very rewarding shot. I holed out from 10 yards the other day with pitch fro heavy rough and no green to work with. I use the more forgiving TM 83 yard distance LW which is the perfect club from 10 to 30 yards for pitching as you get good height with it.. |
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