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Post by hammers1man on Aug 18, 2021 9:42:47 GMT -5
Just to give some other perspective as someone who's more excited for the EA Game than HB's next release... So the course creator seems to be the big one. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I wouldn't mind at all having a set number of courses. My reasoning here is that I play 90% of my rounds True Sim - the others are just the TGC Elite rounds and some xbox societies - and playing on True Sim you kind of have to know the course or there's a massive element of luck involved in terms of bounces on the green, leaving yourself with a flat putt etc. So, in this regard at least, I'd be happy with no course creator and a decent amount of well-crafted real courses. I seen someone mentioned 16 above and that's maybe too low I agree, but give me 30 with weekly events, different wind conditions, different course conditions and I'd be delighted with that in terms of variety and getting to know them. I play racing sims as well and it's a similar kind of story; set amount of tracks you learn, and how they are under different conditions is much preferable to having a wealth of user-made tracks. In my opinion at least. Sort of relatedly then, I also like playing true sim on real courses because I'm kind of a golf nerd. And most user-created courses just aren't catered to this style of play (most, not all of course) instead they're more geared towards making scoring tough when playing under standard TGC settings which I get obviously, but personally, it's not for me. On this note, I have lost some motivation to play TST since they started gong down the road of non-rcr's on there. Again, I get it, most people prefer that but I'd far rather play RCR's or certainly grounded user created courses. Two of my favourites on TS were Sussex Downs and Helsinki GC just to give examples. Then there's the Xbox issue. So basically anything above 7 iron in the game I have a perfect and one usable miss (grey slow) because of the polling points on this platform. I don't really care about what tour I'm in or need to win or anything, but the issue for me is that playing famous courses becomes a bit of a farce; A poor drive is 40 yards short of any danger, a poor tempo iron shot is 20 yards short of greenside bunkers etc. It's either perfect or stupid, with no, or few, realistic misses. Now, I really like playing the game and I do well but in terms of realism and playing famous courses as intended the game has definitely lost something there. And on the realism side of things not having a punch shot still rankles with me, as well as the concrete greens. I agree Rory was an absolute hot mess of a game but I *think* it was TW14 (I might be mistaken but it was around that era) that had the best true sim mode of any golf game I've played (shout out to Links 2003 as an amazing game though!), scoring was tough, the mechanics were fair and the engine was, imo, for it's time, fantastic! In fact I would say it was a much more difficult and realistic experience than playing True Sim on this game to be honest. But yeah, sorry for the essay lol just giving a different opinion on why some people might be excited for EA getting back in the golf arena. Let's be honest it could be absolutely terrible but, as much as I love this game and series, there are definitely flaws there in my opinion that EA would certainly do well to look at and build on. And, at the end of the day, if the mechanics work perfectly on Xbox it'll be reason enough for me to jump ship for sure! P.S I only joined here in the summer too but I've been playing since TGC2 released fwiw lol The problem is the courses in the next game will generally be the usual US PGA Tour courses that I have played numerous times on every single PGA Tour game going back 25 years. I get more enjoying out of some of the UK courses like Forest of Arden or Celtic Manor which I have played irl. There are some cracking rcr courses in this game from all over the world. EA dropped the course designer after Tiger 08 on PC and though I bought all the other games after on PlayStation but I never played them online and missed the online community of Tiger 08.You can still download user created courses for Tiger 08 and there are some great courses. If EA's next game doesn't come to PC or have a course designer I won't lose any sleep Tbh. Hopefully HB keeps improving the course designer as I think is a pivotal part to an online community golf game. Also if the game does have 30 course which I doubt. Look forward to half of them being paid for dlc.
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Post by Demonondalinks on Aug 18, 2021 9:45:18 GMT -5
after the last rubbish EA served up no pre order for me TBH i am looking forward to next 2k21 game more I feel completely the opposite. There will be no "pre-order" with me on either game but I'm certainly going to look at what EA offers after HB/2K have destroyed this current game for Xbox users. You'll probably need the next gen system anyway. So you can't preorder.
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 18, 2021 9:49:09 GMT -5
I’ve been a pretty avid virtual golf player since Lee Trevino’s fighting golf back on the Apple IIe. Infact, before I bought this 2k21. Was really enjoying playing Jack Nicklaus golf 6. I’ve created many a course for Jack Nicklaus 6 and Pga Championship golf 2000. Were some many fond memories and many a man hour designing courses back in that era. Fast forward to 2021. Bought my first next gen system. The Xbox series S, along with a 75 inch 4K 120 FPS hdmi 2.1 tv. Really went all out experiencing some mind blowing graphics on my series s. But here comes the bad part of my transition into next gen …Pga 2k21. Not going into all the headaches and such that inexperienced with this title. One can peek at the threads I created here asking for help. Which I received plenty of from this awesome community. And a side note.. never once received one ounce of help from 2k sports or HB studios. A few members messaged me that I need to buy a PlayStation so I can play this title. Or need a wired controller (which I don’t think the series s Xbox even has) . Why do I need to buy a PlayStation or a wired controller to play this game ? Where all the rest of my titles work perfectly with what i currently have? So for an Xbox next gen owner. And an video golf enthusiast. This EA title announcement maybe our only option virtual golf game wise. As I’m pretty sure many an Xbox next gen owner will completely stay clear of any new versions of pga 2k golf. I no longer have this game installed. But I check back here a lot. In the hopes that 2k/HB sports patches the Xbox version of this game . So we can enjoy it like the PlayStation owners. Keeping my fingers crossed that this happens. Or did 2k/HB sports pretty much abandon this game and our focusing on their upcoming Pga title. And this game was working decently before all of these untested Nurf style patches started being rolled out. Maybe they can go back and take away the patches they made for the Xbox. So we can all play the game again that we paid for . I’ve never once had a faulty golf game until this one . I’ve played a few virtual golf games that were beyond my skill level . But never one that wouldn’t even let me make a forward swing . So bring on ea sports golf . May be the only one Xbox players might consider playable on our next gen consoles Their response would be "we never intended it to be fair play cross platform" and by golly, they got that correct. What blows my mind is the obvious inconsistency among the Xbox community regarding quality of play, and there's quite a ton of that too. It depends on a multitude of factors: Whether you have the next generation console (series X), whether you're using a 3rd party controller (Power A, few others where they can be used just fine in society play but wouldn't be acceptable on TGCTours; yup, I know there are people out there on Xbox using these......), how often you go to church and pray for good tempo, how often you recalibrate, etc. This game, on the Xbox console, is complete garbage regarding Master difficulty. HB/2K destroyed it with their swing server updates. This difficulty is what TGCT plays on, as well as all of the previous societies on Xbox I've played on. It makes for a completely miserable experience. In a perfect world, the PS4/PC difficulty should be EXACTLY what Xbox users have had to deal with for this entire series of TGC and now PGA 2K. This is why, very few players on Xbox play TGCT anymore. It's completely frustrating, embarrassing and they have zero chance to compete in their flight, unless their in CC-W. The best PLAYERS are not on PS4/PC......they're playing on the far easier platforms.
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Post by bmoregolfpro on Aug 18, 2021 10:19:09 GMT -5
Just to give some other perspective as someone who's more excited for the EA Game than HB's next release... So the course creator seems to be the big one. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I wouldn't mind at all having a set number of courses. My reasoning here is that I play 90% of my rounds True Sim - the others are just the TGC Elite rounds and some xbox societies - and playing on True Sim you kind of have to know the course or there's a massive element of luck involved in terms of bounces on the green, leaving yourself with a flat putt etc. So, in this regard at least, I'd be happy with no course creator and a decent amount of well-crafted real courses. I seen someone mentioned 16 above and that's maybe too low I agree, but give me 30 with weekly events, different wind conditions, different course conditions and I'd be delighted with that in terms of variety and getting to know them. I play racing sims as well and it's a similar kind of story; set amount of tracks you learn, and how they are under different conditions is much preferable to having a wealth of user-made tracks. In my opinion at least. Sort of relatedly then, I also like playing true sim on real courses because I'm kind of a golf nerd. And most user-created courses just aren't catered to this style of play (most, not all of course) instead they're more geared towards making scoring tough when playing under standard TGC settings which I get obviously, but personally, it's not for me. On this note, I have lost some motivation to play TST since they started gong down the road of non-rcr's on there. Again, I get it, most people prefer that but I'd far rather play RCR's or certainly grounded user created courses. Two of my favourites on TS were Sussex Downs and Helsinki GC just to give examples. Then there's the Xbox issue. So basically anything above 7 iron in the game I have a perfect and one usable miss (grey slow) because of the polling points on this platform. I don't really care about what tour I'm in or need to win or anything, but the issue for me is that playing famous courses becomes a bit of a farce; A poor drive is 40 yards short of any danger, a poor tempo iron shot is 20 yards short of greenside bunkers etc. It's either perfect or stupid, with no, or few, realistic misses. Now, I really like playing the game and I do well but in terms of realism and playing famous courses as intended the game has definitely lost something there. And on the realism side of things not having a punch shot still rankles with me, as well as the concrete greens. I agree Rory was an absolute hot mess of a game but I *think* it was TW14 (I might be mistaken but it was around that era) that had the best true sim mode of any golf game I've played (shout out to Links 2003 as an amazing game though!), scoring was tough, the mechanics were fair and the engine was, imo, for it's time, fantastic! In fact I would say it was a much more difficult and realistic experience than playing True Sim on this game to be honest. But yeah, sorry for the essay lol just giving a different opinion on why some people might be excited for EA getting back in the golf arena. Let's be honest it could be absolutely terrible but, as much as I love this game and series, there are definitely flaws there in my opinion that EA would certainly do well to look at and build on. And, at the end of the day, if the mechanics work perfectly on Xbox it'll be reason enough for me to jump ship for sure! P.S I only joined here in the summer too but I've been playing since TGC2 released fwiw lol These are all very valid and great points! I can see how a lot of frustrations on the xbox side have created a bit of hope and excitement for EA to release a new game and you guys have a POTIENTIALLY better golf game for your console. I will say power to EA if they grab 30 courses! Everyone will have their reasons to take a look at both games to make a decision based on what they want to get out of their experience. What my problem is that some people post to just shove their opinion down your throat with no regards to respect or any information why people do still enjoy 2K21. What baffles me about this is nobody has seen anything of the new EA game other than courses and they will have some LPGA players (which isn't a new thing for an EA game). You have not seen videos on the swing mechanics, ball physics, anything about online, anything about career mode. All they have done is market majors and the courses that host them. You cannot make an educated argument that the EA game will be better at this point period, or fault someone for wanting to stay with HB because this game is very good especially in a competitive society like this (spoken like a true PSer eh). I understand the frustration and I know people in this community are going to leave for the EA game and I won't blame them for whatever reason it may be. But those individuals have no right to belittle others for staying with the HB version, and the same goes for the vice versa. I will probably look into the EA game because it will be the shiny new toy on the block, but I also love this community, and I will follow wherever they want to take this site and tour, which is going to be HB I would think for the foreseeable future anyway. Also, I am sure the admins will not make a separate tour for XBox or the EA game. it is up to you to decide whether you want to stay in this community or go, but in order to stay you will need the HB game, and there is no reason they should cave or change their thinking otherwise especially since all this is free! One thing to also keep in mind for consoles, this is a multigeneration console version of this game. I am sure there will be some visual enhancements and other things for next gen consoles, but the process needs to play out. So my point to all this wind is that we can all have our reasons and opinions for staying or going, but be respectful and open to dialogue for both sides, and not belittle others for theirs.
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Post by hammers1man on Aug 18, 2021 10:19:20 GMT -5
I’ve been a pretty avid virtual golf player since Lee Trevino’s fighting golf back on the Apple IIe. Infact, before I bought this 2k21. Was really enjoying playing Jack Nicklaus golf 6. I’ve created many a course for Jack Nicklaus 6 and Pga Championship golf 2000. Were some many fond memories and many a man hour designing courses back in that era. Fast forward to 2021. Bought my first next gen system. The Xbox series S, along with a 75 inch 4K 120 FPS hdmi 2.1 tv. Really went all out experiencing some mind blowing graphics on my series s. But here comes the bad part of my transition into next gen …Pga 2k21. Not going into all the headaches and such that inexperienced with this title. One can peek at the threads I created here asking for help. Which I received plenty of from this awesome community. And a side note.. never once received one ounce of help from 2k sports or HB studios. A few members messaged me that I need to buy a PlayStation so I can play this title. Or need a wired controller (which I don’t think the series s Xbox even has) . Why do I need to buy a PlayStation or a wired controller to play this game ? Where all the rest of my titles work perfectly with what i currently have? So for an Xbox next gen owner. And an video golf enthusiast. This EA title announcement maybe our only option virtual golf game wise. As I’m pretty sure many an Xbox next gen owner will completely stay clear of any new versions of pga 2k golf. I no longer have this game installed. But I check back here a lot. In the hopes that 2k/HB sports patches the Xbox version of this game . So we can enjoy it like the PlayStation owners. Keeping my fingers crossed that this happens. Or did 2k/HB sports pretty much abandon this game and our focusing on their upcoming Pga title. And this game was working decently before all of these untested Nurf style patches started being rolled out. Maybe they can go back and take away the patches they made for the Xbox. So we can all play the game again that we paid for . I’ve never once had a faulty golf game until this one . I’ve played a few virtual golf games that were beyond my skill level . But never one that wouldn’t even let me make a forward swing . So bring on ea sports golf . May be the only one Xbox players might consider playable on our next gen consoles Their response would be "we never intended it to be fair play cross platform" and by golly, they got that correct. What blows my mind is the obvious inconsistency among the Xbox community regarding quality of play, and there's quite a ton of that too. It depends on a multitude of factors: Whether you have the next generation console (series X), whether you're using a 3rd party controller (Power A, few others where they can be used just fine in society play but wouldn't be acceptable on TGCTours; yup, I know there are people out there on Xbox using these......), how often you go to church and pray for good tempo, how often you recalibrate, etc. This game, on the Xbox console, is complete garbage regarding Master difficulty. HB/2K destroyed it with their swing server updates. This difficulty is what TGCT plays on, as well as all of the previous societies on Xbox I've played on. It makes for a completely miserable experience. In a perfect world, the PS4/PC difficulty should be EXACTLY what Xbox users have had to deal with for this entire series of TGC and now PGA 2K. This is why, very few players on Xbox play TGCT anymore. It's completely frustrating, embarrassing and they have zero chance to compete in their flight, unless their in CC-W. The best PLAYERS are not on PS4/PC......they're playing on the far easier platforms. Tbh PC plays differently with a DS4 than Series X/S or One controller. Much less frustrating experience tempo wise and it feels more fluent and consistent. The DS4 is harder to hit straight lines which I like also as it seemed a bit easy with the series X controller. While there is definitely something up with Xbox I do think the tougher tempo of master or legend plays much better with a PlayStation controller.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 18, 2021 12:16:54 GMT -5
These are all very valid and great points! I can see how a lot of frustrations on the xbox side have created a bit of hope and excitement for EA to release a new game and you guys have a POTIENTIALLY better golf game for your console. I will say power to EA if they grab 30 courses! Everyone will have their reasons to take a look at both games to make a decision based on what they want to get out of their experience. What my problem is that some people post to just shove their opinion down your throat with no regards to respect or any information why people do still enjoy 2K21. What baffles me about this is nobody has seen anything of the new EA game other than courses and they will have some LPGA players (which isn't a new thing for an EA game). You have not seen videos on the swing mechanics, ball physics, anything about online, anything about career mode. All they have done is market majors and the courses that host them. You cannot make an educated argument that the EA game will be better at this point period, or fault someone for wanting to stay with HB because this game is very good especially in a competitive society like this (spoken like a true PSer eh). I understand the frustration and I know people in this community are going to leave for the EA game and I won't blame them for whatever reason it may be. But those individuals have no right to belittle others for staying with the HB version, and the same goes for the vice versa. I will probably look into the EA game because it will be the shiny new toy on the block, but I also love this community, and I will follow wherever they want to take this site and tour, which is going to be HB I would think for the foreseeable future anyway. Also, I am sure the admins will not make a separate tour for XBox or the EA game. it is up to you to decide whether you want to stay in this community or go, but in order to stay you will need the HB game, and there is no reason they should cave or change their thinking otherwise especially since all this is free! One thing to also keep in mind for consoles, this is a multigeneration console version of this game. I am sure there will be some visual enhancements and other things for next gen consoles, but the process needs to play out. So my point to all this wind is that we can all have our reasons and opinions for staying or going, but be respectful and open to dialogue for both sides, and not belittle others for theirs. Oh yeah, I totally agree with you there. There's a lot of fun to be had on 2K21 for sure and I certainly don't agree with the guy saying all the courses are the same or anything like that. Likewise it's a great community and TGC Tours has been a weekly thing for me for going on four years now if not more. Like you say we've seen so little of EA at this point that it's complete speculation when trying to pin down what sort of game it'll be I guess my thinking is that they wouldn't return to golf only to do a rush-job or put a large amount of courses behind a paywall (the first of these I'm confident in, the second... er, maybe? lol) but I'm sure it'll have issues of it's own - like you guys say 30 courses is most likely wishful thinking! Just trying to give a more balanced reason for some excitement rather than '2k is a mess' or whatever. Edit: And yeah just on the separate Xbox tour. I agree there and think it would be a daft idea anyway as we can just play in a society anyway. I've never really understood the thinking behind needing an Xbox tour other than promotions / demotions or whatever. But honestly the whole possibly scoring worse than other platforms because of polling points isn't that big a deal to me. It's just the lack of minor playable misses making the actual gameplay a bit daft and unrealistic at times. And pro for me is just too far the other way unfortunately. But just personal opinion of course lol and to be fair the EA game might have the same or worse issues. It's the hope that kills!
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 18, 2021 12:29:01 GMT -5
The problem is the courses in the next game will generally be the usual US PGA Tour courses that I have played numerous times on every single PGA Tour game going back 25 years. I get more enjoying out of some of the UK courses like Forest of Arden or Celtic Manor which I have played irl. There are some cracking rcr courses in this game from all over the world. EA dropped the course designer after Tiger 08 on PC and though I bought all the other games after on PlayStation but I never played them online and missed the online community of Tiger 08.You can still download user created courses for Tiger 08 and there are some great courses. If EA's next game doesn't come to PC or have a course designer I won't lose any sleep Tbh. Hopefully HB keeps improving the course designer as I think is a pivotal part to an online community golf game. Also if the game does have 30 course which I doubt. Look forward to half of them being paid for dlc. Yeah that's fair. I'm from Northern Ireland myself so would love to see a healthy amount of European Courses there but realistically yeah, you're right that the PGA Tour is probably going to dominate the course list. Wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me though. And yeah I totally agree there are amazing RCR's in 2K21 just the big issue for me is playing them with the current mechanics doesn't feel like you're actually playing them in a real way you know? And that's a big part of the fun for me. But that's an issue with game mechanics not course design admittedly. I guess IF (and let's be honest you guys are right it's still definitely IF) EA has what I think is more realistic shot outcomes for misses than the current ones on xbox in 2K21 I'd be happier playing a limited amount of courses that way. I do kind of hope they aren't stupid enough to lean TOO hard into DLC given that it's a returning franchise rather than established but then again it is EA so you may well be right. But interesting times for sure!
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Post by hammers1man on Aug 18, 2021 13:00:08 GMT -5
These are all very valid and great points! I can see how a lot of frustrations on the xbox side have created a bit of hope and excitement for EA to release a new game and you guys have a POTIENTIALLY better golf game for your console. I will say power to EA if they grab 30 courses! Everyone will have their reasons to take a look at both games to make a decision based on what they want to get out of their experience. What my problem is that some people post to just shove their opinion down your throat with no regards to respect or any information why people do still enjoy 2K21. What baffles me about this is nobody has seen anything of the new EA game other than courses and they will have some LPGA players (which isn't a new thing for an EA game). You have not seen videos on the swing mechanics, ball physics, anything about online, anything about career mode. All they have done is market majors and the courses that host them. You cannot make an educated argument that the EA game will be better at this point period, or fault someone for wanting to stay with HB because this game is very good especially in a competitive society like this (spoken like a true PSer eh). I understand the frustration and I know people in this community are going to leave for the EA game and I won't blame them for whatever reason it may be. But those individuals have no right to belittle others for staying with the HB version, and the same goes for the vice versa. I will probably look into the EA game because it will be the shiny new toy on the block, but I also love this community, and I will follow wherever they want to take this site and tour, which is going to be HB I would think for the foreseeable future anyway. Also, I am sure the admins will not make a separate tour for XBox or the EA game. it is up to you to decide whether you want to stay in this community or go, but in order to stay you will need the HB game, and there is no reason they should cave or change their thinking otherwise especially since all this is free! One thing to also keep in mind for consoles, this is a multigeneration console version of this game. I am sure there will be some visual enhancements and other things for next gen consoles, but the process needs to play out. So my point to all this wind is that we can all have our reasons and opinions for staying or going, but be respectful and open to dialogue for both sides, and not belittle others for theirs. Oh yeah, I totally agree with you there. There's a lot of fun to be had on 2K21 for sure and I certainly don't agree with the guy saying all the courses are the same or anything like that. Likewise it's a great community and TGC Tours has been a weekly thing for me for going on four years now if not more. Like you say we've seen so little of EA at this point that it's complete speculation when trying to pin down what sort of game it'll be I guess my thinking is that they wouldn't return to golf only to do a rush-job or put a large amount of courses behind a paywall (the first of these I'm confident in, the second... er, maybe? lol) but I'm sure it'll have issues of it's own - like you guys say 30 courses is most likely wishful thinking! Just trying to give a more balanced reason for some excitement rather than '2k is a mess' or whatever. Edit: And yeah just on the separate Xbox tour. I agree there and think it would be a daft idea anyway as we can just play in a society anyway. I've never really understood the thinking behind needing an Xbox tour other than promotions / demotions or whatever. But honestly the whole possibly scoring worse than other platforms because of polling points isn't that big a deal to me. It's just the lack of minor playable misses making the actual gameplay a bit daft and unrealistic at times. And pro for me is just too far the other way unfortunately. But just personal opinion of course lol and to be fair the EA game might have the same or worse issues. It's the hope that kills! I think they have gone too much on the distance penalties and not enough on hook or slice, you can actually hit poor tempo which is not near the grey box and find yourself on the fairway with a 39 to 40 yard loss of distance. I think there just isn't enough hook or slice now especially with the driver. I do find that purple clubs are just a bit too unforgiving so have stuck to a full Titleist gold set which are just a bit shorter in distance but mixing and matching clubs is not sim to me so I don't do that. I do feel that I have found a nice balance with a plugged in DS4 and gold clubs and all aids off, I think it's a decent golf game. It does need some tweaking and still has a lot of bugs. I use fixed cam and the ball still disappears at the apex of it's flight way to often which is really frustrating. Really hope they sort out XBox for the next game, I am sure I'd be as frustrated with the game as you if it was my platform.
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Post by Gasman on Aug 18, 2021 13:03:59 GMT -5
Speaking from an Xbox player perspective…
I was one of the biggest fans of 2k21 on release & played regularly through to April/May this year, I personally thought for my mediocre skill set it played brilliantly on Master & Legend Sim settings & HB had made one of my all time top Golf video games. I know exploiters existed but for me the swing mechanics felt free flowing & balanced. With the update on Fast & then Slow it has exposed the mechanics in my opinion to be at the most basic form I have ever experienced, I’m not saying I’m good at the game but you know exactly the result of the shot outcomes because they’re so damn repetitive. This is why the game feels flat & many players get the same experience from one course to another. I’m excited by EA’s return on the basis that they have delivered before especially on games like TW 14, I have recollections of playing a demo of that game back in 2013 on simulation settings for a month solid before the full game released it’s mechanics were that good. Here in hope of a better game that’s all!!!
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 18, 2021 14:20:17 GMT -5
Just to give some other perspective as someone who's more excited for the EA Game than HB's next release... So the course creator seems to be the big one. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I wouldn't mind at all having a set number of courses. My reasoning here is that I play 90% of my rounds True Sim - the others are just the TGC Elite rounds and some xbox societies - and playing on True Sim you kind of have to know the course or there's a massive element of luck involved in terms of bounces on the green, leaving yourself with a flat putt etc. So, in this regard at least, I'd be happy with no course creator and a decent amount of well-crafted real courses. I seen someone mentioned 16 above and that's maybe too low I agree, but give me 30 with weekly events, different wind conditions, different course conditions and I'd be delighted with that in terms of variety and getting to know them. I play racing sims as well and it's a similar kind of story; set amount of tracks you learn, and how they are under different conditions is much preferable to having a wealth of user-made tracks. In my opinion at least. Sort of relatedly then, I also like playing true sim on real courses because I'm kind of a golf nerd. And most user-created courses just aren't catered to this style of play (most, not all of course) instead they're more geared towards making scoring tough when playing under standard TGC settings which I get obviously, but personally, it's not for me. On this note, I have lost some motivation to play TST since they started gong down the road of non-rcr's on there. Again, I get it, most people prefer that but I'd far rather play RCR's or certainly grounded user created courses. Two of my favourites on TS were Sussex Downs and Helsinki GC just to give examples. Then there's the Xbox issue. So basically anything above 7 iron in the game I have a perfect and one usable miss (grey slow) because of the polling points on this platform. I don't really care about what tour I'm in or need to win or anything, but the issue for me is that playing famous courses becomes a bit of a farce; A poor drive is 40 yards short of any danger, a poor tempo iron shot is 20 yards short of greenside bunkers etc. It's either perfect or stupid, with no, or few, realistic misses. Now, I really like playing the game and I do well but in terms of realism and playing famous courses as intended the game has definitely lost something there. And on the realism side of things not having a punch shot still rankles with me, as well as the concrete greens. I agree Rory was an absolute hot mess of a game but I *think* it was TW14 (I might be mistaken but it was around that era) that had the best true sim mode of any golf game I've played (shout out to Links 2003 as an amazing game though!), scoring was tough, the mechanics were fair and the engine was, imo, for it's time, fantastic! In fact I would say it was a much more difficult and realistic experience than playing True Sim on this game to be honest. But yeah, sorry for the essay lol just giving a different opinion on why some people might be excited for EA getting back in the golf arena. Let's be honest it could be absolutely terrible but, as much as I love this game and series, there are definitely flaws there in my opinion that EA would certainly do well to look at and build on. And, at the end of the day, if the mechanics work perfectly on Xbox it'll be reason enough for me to jump ship for sure! P.S I only joined here in the summer too but I've been playing since TGC2 released fwiw lol These are all very valid and great points! I can see how a lot of frustrations on the xbox side have created a bit of hope and excitement for EA to release a new game and you guys have a POTIENTIALLY better golf game for your console. I will say power to EA if they grab 30 courses! Everyone will have their reasons to take a look at both games to make a decision based on what they want to get out of their experience. What my problem is that some people post to just shove their opinion down your throat with no regards to respect or any information why people do still enjoy 2K21. What baffles me about this is nobody has seen anything of the new EA game other than courses and they will have some LPGA players (which isn't a new thing for an EA game). You have not seen videos on the swing mechanics, ball physics, anything about online, anything about career mode. All they have done is market majors and the courses that host them. You cannot make an educated argument that the EA game will be better at this point period, or fault someone for wanting to stay with HB because this game is very good especially in a competitive society like this (spoken like a true PSer eh). I understand the frustration and I know people in this community are going to leave for the EA game and I won't blame them for whatever reason it may be. But those individuals have no right to belittle others for staying with the HB version, and the same goes for the vice versa. I will probably look into the EA game because it will be the shiny new toy on the block, but I also love this community, and I will follow wherever they want to take this site and tour, which is going to be HB I would think for the foreseeable future anyway. Also, I am sure the admins will not make a separate tour for XBox or the EA game. it is up to you to decide whether you want to stay in this community or go, but in order to stay you will need the HB game, and there is no reason they should cave or change their thinking otherwise especially since all this is free! One thing to also keep in mind for consoles, this is a multigeneration console version of this game. I am sure there will be some visual enhancements and other things for next gen consoles, but the process needs to play out. So my point to all this wind is that we can all have our reasons and opinions for staying or going, but be respectful and open to dialogue for both sides, and not belittle others for theirs. I haven't reviewed all of the past 17 pages or so but....... Where are posters belittling others? Where are posters belittling TGCTours? Who is saying EA will have a better game without even pictures or a video trailer being released? EA will now get my "consideration" because of the Xbox debacle which is the pure truth for this current game. HB/2K have completely destroyed this game on the master difficulty setting. Furthermore, this current game was broken from the point of release and we had to wait four months to get a multitude of broken things fixed. Again, unacceptable. Then.....just when Xbox users were (gasp) once in a great while, making top 10 finishes on TGCT, HB/2K decided to not only do one server nerf, but two server nerfs. You see at most, 4-6 Xbox players in ALL THREE PRO TOURS making cut on TGCT. Making. The. Cut. No one who has a clue is belittling TGCTours. This is a remarkable, free, multiplatform competitive community and we are all grateful to have experienced it. Make no mistake though, TGCTours is not for the Xbox player anymore, at least for the Xbox player who believes the competition is fair, because it isn't. Not even close. That being said, it boils down to courses. If EA says 20 courses and paid DLC, highly likely I won't put my money in that game until it becomes a clearance item and only if it gets good reviews. Before the egregious server nerfs though, I never would've considered the EA game period, as that is arcade golf at it's worst. HB/2K has the golden ticket with the course creator and my money will always go with them, if they can prove to me (and many others) that the swing mechanic that is so very flawed on the Xbox side has been resolved.
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Post by gunslinger1972 on Aug 18, 2021 15:08:37 GMT -5
A little off topic here. So forgive me. But who on here thinks that today’s current virtual golf game lineups are woefully behind the times? Graphically , and even playability wise?
One reason why … and hoping… next gen virtual golf will take these games to a new level. Heck , maybe another developer will jump into this circus and blow our socks off
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Post by Giraffe72 on Aug 18, 2021 17:48:36 GMT -5
Just for some balance, I'm an Xbox player who: Still enjoys competing on these tours. And yes, I said competing. Thinks that even with its flaws the game is vastly improved since the nerfs. The red fast swing was by far a worse mechanic than what we have now. Thinks the short game is also better because you're now forced to play proper golf shots. Believes that having an Xbox only TGCTours league goes against everything this was set up to do. Will only play the EA game if it's free. Will undoubtedly be pre ordering the next HB/2K game. So shoot me
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Post by Giraffe72 on Aug 18, 2021 17:52:21 GMT -5
NB: I totally agree with Hammers and said from the start, they would have been much better off nerfing the red swings by making the direction of the shot much more variable, rather than simply reduce distance. I think we can all agree that one is a bit silly. But it's still better than what we had, which was even more silly. They will know this and I'm eager to see what 2K come up with now they've got a full game under their belts.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Aug 18, 2021 18:03:42 GMT -5
Just for some balance, I'm an Xbox player who: Still enjoys competing on these tours. And yes, I said competing. Thinks that even with its flaws the game is vastly improved since the nerfs. The red fast swing was by far a worse mechanic than what we have now. Thinks the short game is also better because you're now forced to play proper golf shots. Believes that having an Xbox only TGCTours league goes against everything this was set up to do. Will only play the EA game if it's free. Will undoubtedly be pre ordering the next HB/2K game. So shoot me I think I agree with 99% of what you think about 2k21 mate just from reading your posts the last few months. The only tiny thing I would say is that although the nerf balanced the game better I do think it leads to silly outcomes on some full shots that you never really get in real life. Well pro's wouldn't, I would but I think you kind of say that yourself in the next message so we're sort of agreed lol short game though 100% is much better now in my opinion as well. Btw hope that didn't seem like a massive moan about the game above guys or throwing my toys out of the pram. Honestly, I've had a great year, played some great stuff and got my money's worth ten times over at least. Just quite excited for a competitor coming in too and playing devil's advocate a bit.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Aug 18, 2021 19:02:16 GMT -5
Just for some balance, I'm an Xbox player who: Still enjoys competing on these tours. And yes, I said competing. Thinks that even with its flaws the game is vastly improved since the nerfs. The red fast swing was by far a worse mechanic than what we have now. Thinks the short game is also better because you're now forced to play proper golf shots. Believes that having an Xbox only TGCTours league goes against everything this was set up to do. Will only play the EA game if it's free. Will undoubtedly be pre ordering the next HB/2K game. So shoot me I think I agree with 99% of what you think about 2k21 mate just from reading your posts the last few months. The only tiny thing I would say is that although the nerf balanced the game better I do think it leads to silly outcomes on some full shots that you never really get in real life. Well pro's wouldn't, I would but I think you kind of say that yourself in the next message so we're sort of agreed lol short game though 100% is much better now in my opinion as well. Btw hope that didn't seem like a massive moan about the game above guys or throwing my toys out of the pram. Honestly, I've had a great year, played some great stuff and got my money's worth ten times over at least. Just quite excited for a competitor coming in too and playing devil's advocate a bit. No I didn't think that. You're always one of the positive thinkers, and you've also been flying the Xbox flag better than most. The flaws are plain to see and much discussed: every miss being short, the lack of a near miss, polling points on Xbox particularly. But I do have to argue against the idea that not being able to duck hook a drive 340 down the middle of the fairway is a bad thing. That people can't stick a 20 yard splash out of a fairway lie right next to the pin with ease, or play a partial splash out of a bunker. A PARTIAL SPLASH??!!! It's not even a shot!! When have you ever seen a player take a little half swing when splashing out of a bunker?? A partial pitch on the other hand.... Anyway, digress. I'm looking forward to the next installment, whenever that may be.
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