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Post by itsmb8 on Apr 12, 2021 2:07:19 GMT -5
I disagree. Anthony was open to listening to us and was pretty responsive. Haven’t we always had the option to turn off the green grids? He said that was a mistake and it was impossible to read greens without grids. Also he was alway going on about one difficulty setting which I think isn't realistic in giving people with different skill levels at the game a good challenge . People keep saying how good the TGC1 was, I think it was a very average golf game, without the great course designer I don't think I would of played it. We had tricked up very firm greens to give a challenge as it was just so easy to hit every shot straight, that's not golf to me I do get annoyed that 2K21 has some flaws and bugs haven'tt been fixed but 2K21 is a very good golf game, best I have played since Tiger 08 on PC. I fired up TW 14 again yesterday on my PS3, I don't see the love for that game,I only played it with the PS move when it first came out. The controller diagonal swing just feels awkward , greens are impossible to read with grids off and the putting stroke feels awful. Compared to now, TGC1 was CRAP. You had the entire tour using an excel sheet to dial in shots to a couple feet of the pin. You think scoring is bad now? In TGC1, a par felt like a double. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 12, 2021 13:45:49 GMT -5
I disagree. Anthony was open to listening to us and was pretty responsive. Haven’t we always had the option to turn off the green grids? He said that was a mistake and it was impossible to read greens without grids. Also he was alway going on about one difficulty setting which I think isn't realistic in giving people with different skill levels at the game a good challenge . People keep saying how good the TGC1 was, I think it was a very average golf game, without the great course designer I don't think I would of played it. We had tricked up very firm greens to give a challenge as it was just so easy to hit every shot straight, that's not golf to me I do get annoyed that 2K21 has some flaws and bugs haven'tt been fixed but 2K21 is a very good golf game, best I have played since Tiger 08 on PC. I fired up TW 14 again yesterday on my PS3, I don't see the love for that game,I only played it with the PS move when it first came out. The controller diagonal swing just feels awkward , greens are impossible to read with grids off and the putting stroke feels awful. I don’t recall him saying it was a mistake but that doesn’t mean he didn’t say, I just didn’t catch it. Regardless, the option for no green grids was still there. And in TGC2. He couldn’t have been too opposed to it. If so, then I’d say that the fact it remained while he was there showed he gave the community feedback the considerations it deserves. When TGC1 came out, it was the best golf game on the market. It wasn’t perfect but it was pretty damn good. Especially the putting. The trick ups needed to create difficulty bc people were doing well is not much different today imo. 2K21 is very good and it was expected to be better than previous iterations in the same manner that we expect the next release to be better than 2K21. We will expect the present issues to be fixed. TW14 was fun but like every other sports video game in history, it had its problems. I never liked the diagonal swing. The constant invisible club issue that was never fixed was also an issue. But I liked the Move application although it was really difficult for me to keep the club face straight. And then there was the issue with people using 3rd party Hori controllers for 100% straight ball strikes if you weren’t playing the diagonal swing. But back to Anthony, I believe we’d have better community interaction and results if he was still there. Just my opinion  |
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 12, 2021 13:50:06 GMT -5
He said that was a mistake and it was impossible to read greens without grids. Also he was alway going on about one difficulty setting which I think isn't realistic in giving people with different skill levels at the game a good challenge . People keep saying how good the TGC1 was, I think it was a very average golf game, without the great course designer I don't think I would of played it. We had tricked up very firm greens to give a challenge as it was just so easy to hit every shot straight, that's not golf to me I do get annoyed that 2K21 has some flaws and bugs haven'tt been fixed but 2K21 is a very good golf game, best I have played since Tiger 08 on PC. I fired up TW 14 again yesterday on my PS3, I don't see the love for that game,I only played it with the PS move when it first came out. The controller diagonal swing just feels awkward , greens are impossible to read with grids off and the putting stroke feels awful. Compared to now, TGC1 was CRAP. You had the entire tour using an excel sheet to dial in shots to a couple feet of the pin. You think scoring is bad now? In TGC1, a par felt like a double. We could probably say that about most video games. Iterations of games today are better than the release they had 5 or 6 years ago, except for Madden and other EA golf games not named Tiger |
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Post by yeltzman on Apr 12, 2021 14:14:24 GMT -5
Spoke to AK on twitter about the Grids in the game in tgc1 and the follow up before he left the game. a chat was brought up on twitter on the weekend when we were talking about the game, this was his reply about grids for tgc2
i have no idea what 100ft Robot golf did, need to look at it.
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Post by itsmb8 on Apr 12, 2021 22:18:00 GMT -5
Spoke to AK on twitter about the Grids in the game in tgc1 and the follow up before he left the game. a chat was brought up on twitter on the weekend when we were talking about the game, this was his reply about grids for tgc2 i have no idea what 100ft Robot golf did, need to look at it. So I guess Robot Golf has a topography map on the greens that moves in the direction of the downslope. So if the lines of the topography map on the green are moving towards the cup, that means the green is sloping towards the cup. I love the idea of the caddy view in place of putt previews though. The one thing ive always said is the beads make putting way too easy. If you can quantify it to make reading putts a calculation, its too easy. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Apr 13, 2021 7:55:07 GMT -5
Respectfully stated, EA having the majors does nothing to sway my purchase. Nor does EA most likely being an improvement graphically. What it ALL boils down to for me personally, is replayability and the course designer. This is where WHOMEVER has the course designer and the best online play will get my money. At this time, it will continue to be 2K. |
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Post by mega8deth8 on Apr 13, 2021 10:07:00 GMT -5
Respectfully stated, EA having the majors does nothing to sway my purchase. Nor does EA most likely being an improvement graphically. What it ALL boils down to for me personally, is replayability and the course designer. This is where WHOMEVER has the course designer and the best online play will get my money. At this time, it will continue to be 2K. They'll both get my money the first year. If I'm honest. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Apr 14, 2021 15:17:15 GMT -5
To my way of thinking there are some very stupid previews of this new EA game on YouTube.
EA are saying their game will exclusively be the only one featuring all four majors. This is true, they have the Masters, 2K/HB we know cannot use Augusta National. The idiot posters of the YouTube previews believe EA are saying they have exclusive rights to the other three majors too. NO, all four is exclusive only because one of them is the Masters, three remain not exclusive at all!
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Post by sroel908 on Apr 14, 2021 15:20:35 GMT -5
To my way of thinking there are some very stupid previews of this new EA game on YouTube. EA are saying their game will exclusively be the only one featuring all four majors. This is true, they have the Masters, 2K/HB we know cannot use Augusta National. The idiot posters of the YouTube previews believe EA are saying they have exclusive rights to the other three majors too. NO, all four is exclusive only because one of them is the Masters, three remain not exclusive at all! EA has the exclusive rights to all four majors - The Masters, US Open, The Open, and PGA Championship. www.operationsports.com/ea-sports-pga-tour-to-exclusively-have-all-four-majors/"EA Sports PGA TOUR will feature all four of golf’s major championships. The historic Masters Tournament at Augusta National Golf Club, PGA Championship, U.S. Open Championship, and The Open Championship will be exclusive to the game." |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Apr 15, 2021 12:50:57 GMT -5
To my way of thinking there are some very stupid previews of this new EA game on YouTube. EA are saying their game will exclusively be the only one featuring all four majors. This is true, they have the Masters, 2K/HB we know cannot use Augusta National. The idiot posters of the YouTube previews believe EA are saying they have exclusive rights to the other three majors too. NO, all four is exclusive only because one of them is the Masters, three remain not exclusive at all! EA has the exclusive rights to all four majors - The Masters, US Open, The Open, and PGA Championship. www.operationsports.com/ea-sports-pga-tour-to-exclusively-have-all-four-majors/"EA Sports PGA TOUR will feature all four of golf’s major championships. The historic Masters Tournament at Augusta National Golf Club, PGA Championship, U.S. Open Championship, and The Open Championship will be exclusive to the game." So do you believe that the other three will stop our game from using a course called 'St Andrews'? or the US Open likewise? How can they? The Masters uses the same famous course always, one belonging to a club. The other tournaments move around. For instance is 'The British Open' something that is trademarked? It may well be but how can they stop someone designing a course like St Andrews or Royal Lytham? I just don't believe it. When is exclusive not exclusive at all? I think EA's claim is nonsense. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 15, 2021 12:59:16 GMT -5
As predicted, EA locks down Augusta and the ability to promote having all 4 majors as an exclusive. 2K/HB should have jumped that opportunity as soon as 2K signed on last year. They blew it.
This will force 2K/HB to fix sht though .... or else fade away into the sunset, regardless if the EA game is any good or not. EA isn’t doing this much investment just for a one or two year release.
Odds are good that there will be much better marketing by EA. They have much deeper pockets.
2K/HB, you’ve been called out. Time to respond with something more robust than having Tiger’s face on the cover. Better get that red fast crap fixed in the next game or forget it. As much as I love playing the TGCTours events and the community, I’m not sure I can play another iteration of the 2K game if bad ball strikes continue to be rewarded.
The designer is great, but I’ve retired from making courses (mine were crappy anyway) so that’s a non-factor for me. At this point in time, I’m all about good, solid game play.
Again, I recommend 2K/HB look at MLB The Show’s online multiplayer lobby setup and take notes about how to present options online.
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Post by sroel908 on Apr 15, 2021 12:59:42 GMT -5
EA has the exclusive rights to all four majors - The Masters, US Open, The Open, and PGA Championship. www.operationsports.com/ea-sports-pga-tour-to-exclusively-have-all-four-majors/"EA Sports PGA TOUR will feature all four of golf’s major championships. The historic Masters Tournament at Augusta National Golf Club, PGA Championship, U.S. Open Championship, and The Open Championship will be exclusive to the game." So do you believe that the other three will stop our game from using a course called 'St Andrews'? or the US Open likewise? How can they? The Masters uses the same famous course always, one belonging to a club. The other tournaments move around. For instance is 'The British Open' something that is trademarked? It may well be but how can they stop someone designing a course like St Andrews or Royal Lytham? I just don't believe it. I believe that, if EA has a licensed version of a course in their game, there will be much more diligence in the way of "censoring" course names and such in 2K21 and any other future PGA 2K games. The courses themselves will be much more heavily analyzed and policed, no matter if EA had the rights to the majors or not. Since EA does have the rights to the majors, they will likely be putting a selection of courses that host those events in their game: for example, St. Andrews and Royal Troon might be added to their game to use at The Open, and we already know they are adding Pebble Beach - a US Open host - to their upcoming title. I suspect that's why, even before news broke that EA was re-entering the virtual golf landscape, 2K21 had to censor Pebble Beach, St. Andrews, and others. And, of course, Augusta replicas have been policed and censored quite a bit already, too. While just because EA has the rights to the majors there might not be more censoring of course names and designs, there will likely be more policing of the courses that would correspond with the ones EA has the rights to that 2K does not. That's just my educated guess, seeing what's happened already to courses in PGA 2K21. And, yes, "The Open" and "US Open", and "PGA Championship", etc. are all trademarked properties. You cannot use their names, likeness, etc. without having the rights to do so. Otherwise, why wouldn't PGA 2K21 have them in their game already? And, technically, you could say the same about any real-world course that's created in PGA 2K21. If the owners felt like an unauthorized creation of their course should not be in the game, they'd be well within their rights to ask 2K to remove/censor it. That's why you have to agree to certain terms and conditions when you fire up the designer for the first time. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Apr 15, 2021 13:20:45 GMT -5
You make a lot of valid points, but as to the courses themselves, other than, as you say, the ones EA has in their game for the majors, I can't see this making a huge difference to us here, or more specifically to the designers.
I'm not even sure that the courses EA use for the majors could not be designed here too. They apparently have obtained the rights to the names, 'US Open' etc, but, for example Pebble Beach, do they then have a deal with whoever owns the course?
Time will tell.
If we called our British Open the UK Open for example, and used a famous British course, would there really be a problem? By 'we' I of course mean TGC Tours.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Apr 15, 2021 13:30:35 GMT -5
We can only hope EA make a great game, with a designer and sim-like gameplay, and this spurs 2K on to make one as good or better. This is the ideal scenario but perhaps just wishful thinking.
Would TGC Tours consider jumping ship to EA?
Being on Xbox and having put up with the woeful gameplay on that console ( until 60fps ) with no help from HB I certainly feel no loyalty towards them, or 2K.
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 15, 2021 13:35:47 GMT -5
You make a lot of valid points, but as to the courses themselves, other than, as you say, the ones EA has in their game for the majors, I can't see this making a huge difference to us here, or more specifically to the designers. I'm not even sure that the courses EA use for the majors could not be designed here too. They apparently have obtained the rights to the names, 'US Open' etc, but, for example Pebble Beach, do they then have a deal with whoever owns the course? Time will tell. If we called our British Open the UK Open for example, and used a famous British course, would there really be a problem? By 'we' I of course mean TGC Tours. I think some people will like a smaller library of courses if they are well done. There’s tens of thousands of courses in 2k. Most of them we will never even know exist, let alone actually play them. The ones we do know *might* get two or three plays per person from this community if it’s a great course and only if it’s a great course. Most players are one and done with a course unless that course makes it on tour but then it’s rarely revisited by anyone after their four rounds are done. |
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