BLM

[cliffs]

Jul 1, 2020 8:46:38 GMT -5 ErixonStone said:

Jul 1, 2020 7:57:06 GMT -5 cliffs said:

How many black men killed by the popo were NOT resisting or pushing back against a LAWFUL request by the popo? I agree what happened was terrible but I have been stopped by the popo a few times in my long life and NEVER did I get cuffed, beaten, pushed, or in actuality, addressed in any way but respectfully...you know why, because i respected the popo who pulled me over or stopped me in the street to ask what I was doing, etc.

This exact sentiment is the problem. The answer to your question is, "a lot."

George Floyd was not resisting.



Why not just get in the car???


Breonna Taylor was asleep in her own home.

Terrible tragedy but this does happen to people of all colors .


Walter Scott was running away.

The officer’s lawyer, Andy Savage, told NBC News that Scott grabbed Slager’s Taser and fired it twice at the officer, only missing because he didn’t know how to operate it.



Slager fired “because he felt threatened,” and had no way to know Scott was unarmed because he had not had the chance to pat him down, his lawyer said.

After he took off running, Scott pivoted, the lawyer said, at which time the officer figured “the logic is that was going for a weapon.”

Innocent people don't run.


Policing in America needs to be completely reinvented and reimagined.

Totally agree it needs reworking

[LKeet6]

"Innocent people don't run" has got to be one or THE most dog whistle pieces of BS ever.

Not true of white people, and especially not true for black people. Yeah, why would a black person run from police? I just can't work that one out...

[nevadaballin]

Jul 1, 2020 7:57:06 GMT -5 cliffs said:

I wasn't aware the government spends all their time on the war on drugs.

Imagine the government loss if drugs were legal. - Just what loss are you going on about now? If anything, the taxes raised would help knock down donnie's deficit crisis.

I can't imagine how many horrific accidents we would have on our highways if heroin and cocaine or the trending drugs meth or fentanyl were legal. Bad enough alcohol does it's damage but yeah let's get all these illegal substances out there for anybody to use.

How many black men killed by the popo were NOT resisting or pushing back against a LAWFUL request by the popo? I agree what happened was terrible but I have been stopped by the popo a few times in my long life and NEVER did I get cuffed, beaten, pushed, or in actuality, addressed in any way but respectfully...you know why, because i respected the popo who pulled me over or stopped me in the street to ask what I was doing, etc.

Are you black?

[cliffs]

No I am not black but I was raised to respect my elders and those of authority.

[theclv24]

Jul 1, 2020 7:57:06 GMT -5 cliffs said:

...you know why, because i respected the popo who pulled me over or stopped me in the street to ask what I was doing, etc.

You've been stopped in the street and asked what you were doing?

[FRSTDWN]

Drugs being legal would be a huge step towards reduction in crime and wasted resources. That money and time could be invested in so many better things. The war on drugs has long been lost. Saying people are going to drive high on drugs more because they are legal is retarded. They drive now. Not to mention the reduction in ODs because heroin isn't regulated. Pharma companies made billions off oxy and it was legal. Wut? Did they drive around?

That being said BLM is and will be just another Profiteering organization. Total shake down . Remember if the goals are met then they don't exist.

It's sad really. You would think a guy like Obama would have been proof America isn't racist at the core. But black people are surrounded by local governments and organizations that exploit their vote.

[Deleted]

Jul 1, 2020 19:22:06 GMT -5 cliffs said:

No I am not black but I was raise to respect my elders and those of authority.

Completely unrelated, but was you Dusty Roads from the original HB Studios TGC1 forum?

[FRSTDWN]

Is that true?

[cliffs]

Jul 1, 2020 19:50:31 GMT -5 theclv24 said:

Jul 1, 2020 7:57:06 GMT -5 cliffs said:

...you know why, because i respected the popo who pulled me over or stopped me in the street to ask what I was doing, etc.

You've been stopped in the street and asked what you were doing?

Sure have, grew up on the streets of Boston in the 50s and 60s where being in a gang was nothing like it is today. I grew past all that and have been stopped a number of times late at night after being in Boston for a ball game or dinner and we (wife and I) love to walk the streets and take in history. Funny thing is, we never get harassed by today's gangs but have been stopped by popo asking why we were out so late and yes, most times they ask for identification, especially when it is myself and other men friends as the wife did not go at that time. Heck I was taking street photos in the smallish city next to my town and the popo pulled me aside because they got complaints that there were strangers lurking around.  The 1st popo called me a tourist and his partner (a popo I know) corrected him and said I was more local than he ever would be.

It's called respect.

[LKeet6]

Any attempt to try and claim white people get treated the same as black people by the police and an expectation on black people to act the same (I don't just mean the "respect" they show them, I mean how much fear they should feel about the situation,) should be rejected out of hand.

So, I'll go with my anecdotal evidence then:

Half the people I hung out with as a kid were black. (Maybe not literally half, at least a quarter.) Friends, extended family, parents' friends.

ALL of them have multiple stories to tell. I've seen them suffer racism, from people in the street, as well as police. I know a few well off black people, with nice cars, all of whom have been stopped many, many times. One of them, a doctor who has a BMW, has been stopped over 30 times. He was once stop and searched getting IN to the car! ("Car and person of this description been reported for a violent attack." Yeah, right.)

Hell, I would be treated differently when I was in a group that included 2-3 black people.

Also, if we're talking about Boston, I've read and seen so many things saying it was an incredibly racist city in the 50-70s. Even still. So I think black (and Irish, to be fair) people have had a different experience to cliffs.

[cliffs]

Jul 2, 2020 5:51:15 GMT -5 LKeet6 said:

Any attempt to try and claim white people get treated the same as black people by the police and an expectation on black people to act the same (I don't just mean the "respect" they show them, I mean how much fear they should feel about the situation,) should be rejected out of hand.

So, I'll go with my anecdotal evidence then:

Half the people I hung out with as a kid were black. (Maybe not literally half, at least a quarter.) Friends, extended family, parents' friends.

ALL of them have multiple stories to tell. I've seen them suffer racism, from people in the street, as well as police. I know a few well off black people, with nice cars, all of whom have been stopped many, many times. One of them, a doctor who has a BMW, has been stopped over 30 times. He was once stop and searched getting IN to the car! ("Car and person of this description been reported for a violent attack." Yeah, right.)

Hell, I would be treated differently when I was in a group that included 2-3 black people.

Also, if we're talking about Boston, I've read and seen so many things saying it was an incredibly racist city in the 50-70s. Even still. So I think black (and Irish, to be fair) people have had a different experience to cliffs.

 I am white and I have not had happen to me what has happened to nonwhites but a lot of it is due to lack of respect. I have seen first hand popo stopping blacks on the street and it is almost automatic the blacks go into defense mode. Try not doing that and give the popo NO reason to escalate anything.

I'm out for now...don't really like having race debates with only one side of the story

[LKeet6]

Jul 2, 2020 6:18:18 GMT -5 cliffs said:

Jul 2, 2020 5:51:15 GMT -5 LKeet6 said:

Any attempt to try and claim white people get treated the same as black people by the police and an expectation on black people to act the same (I don't just mean the "respect" they show them, I mean how much fear they should feel about the situation,) should be rejected out of hand.

So, I'll go with my anecdotal evidence then:

Half the people I hung out with as a kid were black. (Maybe not literally half, at least a quarter.) Friends, extended family, parents' friends.

ALL of them have multiple stories to tell. I've seen them suffer racism, from people in the street, as well as police. I know a few well off black people, with nice cars, all of whom have been stopped many, many times. One of them, a doctor who has a BMW, has been stopped over 30 times. He was once stop and searched getting IN to the car! ("Car and person of this description been reported for a violent attack." Yeah, right.)

Hell, I would be treated differently when I was in a group that included 2-3 black people.

Also, if we're talking about Boston, I've read and seen so many things saying it was an incredibly racist city in the 50-70s. Even still. So I think black (and Irish, to be fair) people have had a different experience to cliffs.

 I am white and I have not had happen to me what has happened to nonwhites but a lot of it is due to lack of respect. I have seen first hand popo stopping blacks on the street and it is almost automatic the blacks go into defense mode. Try not doing that and give the popo NO reason to escalate anything.

I'm out for now...don't really like having race debates with only one side of the story

I'm not at ALL surprised black people go into "defense mode." I'm struggling to understand why people should show respect BEFORE the publicly paid officials show it.

"Blacks" is not a great term to use.

Not sure how you can claim there's only been one side of the story. You're providing another side, so have others in the thread.

[theclv24]

Jul 2, 2020 5:23:54 GMT -5 cliffs said:

Jul 1, 2020 19:50:31 GMT -5 theclv24 said:

You've been stopped in the street and asked what you were doing?

Sure have, grew up on the streets of Boston in the 50s and 60s where being in a gang was nothing like it is today. I grew past all that and have been stopped a number of times late at night after being in Boston for a ball game or dinner and we (wife and I) love to walk the streets and take in history. Funny thing is, we never get harassed by today's gangs but have been stopped by popo asking why we were out so late and yes, most times they ask for identification, especially when it is myself and other men friends as the wife did not go at that time. Heck I was taking street photos in the smallish city next to my town and the popo pulled me aside because they got complaints that there were strangers lurking around.  The 1st popo called me a tourist and his partner (a popo I know) corrected him and said I was more local than he ever would be.

It's called respect.

I was going to say that you were perhaps the first white or non-homeless person to be randomly stopped on the street and forced to explain your reason for being there, or prove that you didn't just commit a crime, and that maybe you have reason to be upset about it, but I get the feeling from your description that maybe you just put out pretty heavy creeper vibes, lol.

As far as "it's called respect", just imagine if THAT was the issue. As if that hasn't been tried before. I'm sure we'd have a good laugh.

[titaneddie]

Have a friend who oversees safe houses for minority troubled youth. Many who've became homeless through various reasons and many who have drug and gang ties.

Nearly all at some point had or will have interactions with the police. So one of the programs he introduced was teaching them their rights and laws, ways of dealing with the situation to avoid escalating things to violence and numbers they can call for free council.

Would probably even help (they might do this,not sure) to have police come in to these non threating environments and to work and talk with them to try and gain a MUTUAL respect. Think this could be beneficial many communities. At the very worst itd at least a start.

[LKeet6]

Jul 2, 2020 8:30:33 GMT -5 titaneddie said:

Have a friend who oversees safe houses for minority troubled youth. Many who've became homeless through various reasons and many who have drug and gang ties.

Nearly all at some point had or will have interactions with the police. So one of the programs he introduced was teaching them their rights and laws, ways of dealing with the situation to avoid escalating things to violence and numbers they can call for free council.

Would probably even help (they might do this,not sure) to have police come in to these non threating environments and to work and talk with them to try and gain a MUTUAL respect. Think this could be beneficial many communities. At the very worst itd at least a start.

Programs like that are one of the many things needed, the kinds of things BLM are asking for, and often provide themselves in their communities. I've been involved in something similar and, you're right, it is a start. A small start, and not the bigger picture, in my opinion.

Nobody is saying positive interactions with police are impossible or never happen; what many are saying is that the system is broken and is massively skewed against black people, and that expecting civilians to be the ones who make the first positive steps is nonsensical. It's great if they do! But expectation and judgement on them for this, instead of the police, is outrageous, in my view.

These situations, in America massively the case, but also true of the UK, are often fairly localised, where the community loses faith in its police force. Like with the jogger who got murdered, and they tried to sweep it under the carpet, until the video came out.