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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 18, 2020 1:46:36 GMT -5
People who think trump is an intelligent man, who knows what he's talking about, are THE definition of sheep. Nodding their heads up and down and bleating. (Did people see when he said at the start of this that doctors had said to him he was really smart and if he hadn't have been president he should have become a doctor?!) Being in thrall to guns likewise. Having a gun is not going to make ANY difference to the situation with Corona. People WILL be needing toilet paper. I'm not saying the panic buying is good, far from it, but stocking up on toilet paper is way less dumb than stocking up on guns. I'd rather have a gun then toilet paper. Because I could take your sh%$ . See how that works. It's possible to own both. It's not an either/or situation  I saw an interview with one of the guys waiting in line to buy a gun. His reason? He was paranoid that the world was ending and that anarchy was inevitable. Smh, now that's the kind of person i want owning firearms...... not. He'll probably end up shooting his mailman. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 18, 2020 3:58:00 GMT -5
People who think trump is an intelligent man, who knows what he's talking about, are THE definition of sheep. Nodding their heads up and down and bleating. (Did people see when he said at the start of this that doctors had said to him he was really smart and if he hadn't have been president he should have become a doctor?!) Being in thrall to guns likewise. Having a gun is not going to make ANY difference to the situation with Corona. People WILL be needing toilet paper. I'm not saying the panic buying is good, far from it, but stocking up on toilet paper is way less dumb than stocking up on guns. I'd rather have a gun then toilet paper. Because I could take your sh%$ . See how that works. I just think that's really immature. So you think it's going to come to people taking stuff at gun point then? And you'd do that? Remembering why I never get involved with you, completely pointless. Enjoy fantasising about taking stuff from people at gunpoint. |
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Post by TimB on Mar 18, 2020 4:01:43 GMT -5
My half assed attempt to move this thread away from a locking due to political crap I saw this pop up on Idiotbook. Facebook  |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 18, 2020 4:10:48 GMT -5
Not really sure how you can not involve politics in this...
Is saying trump is showing further signs of how terrible he is with his handling of this "politics," but saying we all need guns to take sh%$ off each other not "politics?" Or are they both?
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Post by TimB on Mar 18, 2020 4:16:28 GMT -5
Not really sure how you can not involve politics in this... While I do agree with that and everything you said, it's this forums policy to not allow political threads and they will get locked. I'd rather this thread not get locked as its something important to me being an at risk person. So it's just my hope that inflammatory posters think before they drink post |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 18, 2020 4:23:09 GMT -5
Not really sure how you can not involve politics in this... Is saying trump is showing further signs of how terrible he is with his handling if this "politics," but saying we all need guns to take sh%$ off each other not "politics?" Or are they both? Entirely my fault. I mentioned the $1000.
The irony of Right wing governments borrowing/giving away money all over the place was too much for me to not pass comment. 
Play nice guys. This is an important topic, would be a shame if this thread got closed.
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 18, 2020 4:35:34 GMT -5
To me, this is all "politics," but I'll avoid using the T word any further, if I say anything else...
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 18, 2020 4:41:06 GMT -5
This is most certainly political and the US are purposely making it so. Neoliberal ideologues are playing a dangerous game with peoples lives.
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 18, 2020 4:57:33 GMT -5
Not really sure how you can not involve politics in this... While I do agree with that and everything you said, it's this forums policy to not allow political threads and they will get locked. I'd rather this thread not get locked as its something important to me being an at risk person. So it's just my hope that inflammatory posters think before they drink post I am trying to keep my comments directly in line with this virus crisis and the related moves by leadership (or lack of) and I will stay in that lane. I was recently diagnosed with COPD (lung disease). My wife has had 3 strokes and is also diabetic. We are the definition of "most vulnerable" in this crisis. The President said it was a hoax. He refused to acknowledge its seriousness for months. Complete inaction. Now he is trying to say he thought it was a big deal all along? No. He cannot be allowed to get away with lies that put people's lives in jeopardy. His #1 job, the one thing he must do at all times, 24/7, is to keep us safe. He failed. People have died and that is so sad because he could have acted so much faster instead of calling this a hoax by the opposition political party. Now we have local and state leadership begging people to shelter in place for weeks on end. Businesses are being forced to close. Some will never recover and those biz owners will end up finding themselves under a ton of biz loan debt. They won't be bailed out. They are small enough to fail. If POTUS took it seriously from Day 1, maybe we aren't where we are. There is no way we cannot discuss something that is affecting all of us in such a big way. And there is no way we have those discussions without bringing in leadership and how they are steering the boat. This thread needs to exist just so we know each other is doing ok and to share info legitimate if we have it - and call out lies and misinformation when we see it too. I will say this, any political comments should stay related to the crisis at hand and not go off those rails. This is not a Trump thread, it is a virus crisis thread. Trump just turns out to be part of the story. |
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Post by cliffs on Mar 18, 2020 5:19:32 GMT -5
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Mar 18, 2020 7:16:10 GMT -5
Guys..some of you who lives in England colud explain to me if is true that the England "strategy" is to reach the "herd immunity" (in italian is called "immunità di gregge"), simply leaving the virus spreading with no control?
Cause is this what the media is saying..and if it should be true it would be simply criminal. And totally stupid and crazy, cause this thing works ONLY when tgere are a coupke of conditions..and one of these is a vaccine already existing.
Some day ago a newspaper (la gazzetta dello sport, if i remember correctly), interviewed Francesco Molinari, who lives in London. And he said that actually the life there is absolutely normal and he is scared to death by this.
If all this should be true..how can a normally civil country (if not the more civil) follows this stupid way? Someone can tell me i'm wrong, please?
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 18, 2020 7:33:07 GMT -5
Guys..some of you who lives in England colud explain to me if is true that the England "strategy" is to reach the "herd immunity" (in italian is called "immunità di gregge"), simply leaving the virus spreading with no control? Cause is this what the media is saying..and if it should be true it would be simply criminal. And totally stupid and crazy, cause this thing works ONLY when tgere are a coupke of conditions..and one of these is a vaccine already existing. Some day ago a newspaper (la gazzetta dello sport, if i remember correctly), interviewed Francesco Molinari, who lives in London. And he said that actually the life there is absolutely normal and he is scared to death by this. If all this should be true..how can a normally civil country (if not the more civil) follows this stupid way? Someone can tell me i'm wrong, please? There is SOME evidence to suggest there may be some validity to this approach, but it's banking on there being a second wave of the virus, where we'd then theoretically be better off. But the simple answer is you're not wrong. We've gone against WHO advice, we've gone against CLEAR evidence from Asia that strict lockdowns have worked, and we have no clear idea of whether a second wave will happen, what it will look like, and whether it will be exactly the same virus then, or even if a vaccine will have been developed by then. I've read countless articles from health professionals saying it's a terrible approach. Also massively feels to me like the Tories have chosen the cheapest approach, the one which will not highlight how they've left the NHS to rot, and one which is hanging old people out to dry... |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Mar 18, 2020 7:43:01 GMT -5
Guys..some of you who lives in England colud explain to me if is true that the England "strategy" is to reach the "herd immunity" (in italian is called "immunità di gregge"), simply leaving the virus spreading with no control? Cause is this what the media is saying..and if it should be true it would be simply criminal. And totally stupid and crazy, cause this thing works ONLY when tgere are a coupke of conditions..and one of these is a vaccine already existing. Some day ago a newspaper (la gazzetta dello sport, if i remember correctly), interviewed Francesco Molinari, who lives in London. And he said that actually the life there is absolutely normal and he is scared to death by this. If all this should be true..how can a normally civil country (if not the more civil) follows this stupid way? Someone can tell me i'm wrong, please? There is SOME evidence to suggest there may be some validity to this approach, but it's banking on there being a second wave of the virus, where we'd then theoretically be better off. But the simple answer is you're not wrong. We've gone against WHO advice, we've gone against CLEAR evidence from Asia that strict lockdowns have worked, and we have no clear idea of whether a second wave will happen, what it will look like, and whether it will be exactly the same virus then, or even if a vaccine will have been developed by then. I've read countless articles from health professionals saying it's a terrible approach. Also massively feels to me like the Tories have chosen the cheapest approach, the one which will not highlight how they've left the NHS to rot, and one which is hanging old people out to dry... Wow..i don't want to debate about how much immoral is this approach (cause in short the main idea here is to sacrify the weakest part of the society..old people, already sick people etc..), but i wish just to tell that, from what i can understand, in every case this approach can work only in some case and..this seems to be not one of those cases. The only sure thing England will obtain doing this, is a second wave stronger that the first..and not just in England, but everywhere. Your government clearly is betting everything about the chance that a vaccine will be obtained soon but..it could be a terrible bet. Well..is strange, but this time it seems Trump is not the worst fellow in the world, after all  How much deluding humanity can be.. EDIT : Furthermore, this theory don't take in count the fact that the virus could mutate. And probably it will. The second wave could be a lot worst than the first. A LOT. The only very dangerous characteristic of this virus, at the moment, is the fact that it is really easy to contage people. Is not so letal..but is alredy a plague as it is. Now just imagine if it should be also more letal..what kind of terror it can be. Meanwhile, here in Italy things are going a lot worst. The spreading of the virus increases everyday by more or less the 10%. Every single day. Media here continues to say that is still not a pandemia..and i understand why they say this..but this is a lie. You can easy make your counts to understand what will happens if in the next 10 days things should continue in this way. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 18, 2020 8:12:19 GMT -5
There is SOME evidence to suggest there may be some validity to this approach, but it's banking on there being a second wave of the virus, where we'd then theoretically be better off. But the simple answer is you're not wrong. We've gone against WHO advice, we've gone against CLEAR evidence from Asia that strict lockdowns have worked, and we have no clear idea of whether a second wave will happen, what it will look like, and whether it will be exactly the same virus then, or even if a vaccine will have been developed by then. I've read countless articles from health professionals saying it's a terrible approach. Also massively feels to me like the Tories have chosen the cheapest approach, the one which will not highlight how they've left the NHS to rot, and one which is hanging old people out to dry... Wow..i don't want to debat about how much immoral is this approach (cause in short the main idea here is to sacrify the weakest part of the society..old people, already sick people etc..), but i wish just to tell that, from what i can understand, in every case this approach can work only in some case and..this seems to be not one of those cases. The only sure thing England will obtain doing this, is a second wave stronger that the first..and not just in England but everywhere. Your government clearly is betting everything about the chance that a vaccine will be obtained soon but..it could be a terrible bet. Well..is strange, but this time it seems Trump is not the worst fellow in the world, after all How much deluding humanity can be.. EDIT : Furthermore, this theory don't take in count the fact that the virus could mutate. And probably it will. The second wave could be a lot worst than the first. A LOT. The only very dangerous characteristic of this virus, at the moment, is the fact that it is really easy to contage people. Is not so letal..but is alredy a plague as it is. Now just imagine if it should be also more letal..what kind of terror it can be. Meanwhile, here in Italyvthings are going a lot worst. The spreading of the virus increade everyday by more or less 10%. Every single day. Media here continues to say that is not a pandemia..and i understand why they say this..but this is a lie. You can easy make your counts to understand what will happens if in the next 10 days things should continue in this way. No Vinny, it's relying on a vaccine NOT bring found! If no vaccine is found, at least for a long time, our herd immunity will be an advantage. If a vaccine is found in 6-12 months (even 18 months potentially,) we've wasted loads of deaths now, and over the next few weeks/months, by not testing and isolating. If a vaccine is found, everyone, including the countries in lockdown will be fine! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 9:51:01 GMT -5
I'd rather have a gun then toilet paper. Because I could take your sh%$ . See how that works. I just think that's really immature. So you think it's going to come to people taking stuff at gun point then? And you'd do that? Remembering why I never get involved with you, completely pointless. Enjoy fantasising about taking stuff from people at gunpoint. True preprs already have their guns and ammo. People doing it now are just scared. Of course there are plenty of morons who own guns but there are plenty of morons who stocked up on toilet paper. Really can't blame people though. The media here is out of control. It has been for some time. On both sides. Then you add social media to it . Gas on a fire. I was obviously joking. I have never pointed a gun at a person. Hope I never have to. Crime certainly does go up when people are losing a lot of money and their backs against the wall. Especially when people feel they have nothing to lose. Better to have protection then to not imop. Far as Trump I do not like how he is air dropping money . Imop we should quarantine those most at risk and let it run its course. What this country is doing is unconstitutional by forcing businesses to close and taking away the right to assemble. It's actually scary if you think about it. I am lucky because I sell to some medical companies and they are doing well . If not I would be in deep sh%$. Still could be if this gets really crazy. My brothers business is in deep sh%$. Deals with automotive mainly and right now that is sh%$. Unions are closing plants down because they don't want to work in this environment and tie that in with their dependency on China and people not buying new cars it's a mess. But automotive industry in America is like a 80 year old with COPD . Doesn't take much to go down. Honestly I am not worried about it minus my parents. I feel like this all the time. Always have struggled with anxiety. So when things get crazy I was already there lol. We will get through this. We have been through much worse. |
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