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Post by ezzinomilonga on Mar 16, 2020 8:05:18 GMT -5
Just to be precise..cause i'm generally very tough with my country and, in first instance, with who is at the govern, but i must admit this time it would be uncorrect to say that Italy don't reacted. Honestly i can't say anything against their work.
Probably their only (HUGE) fault has been the lack of controls on who was coming from China when the virus was exploding there, but is easy to tell it now. I think is not Italy that undervalued the virus, but the whole world.
So, from the start, the real problem here has been and still is the italians, not the govern. If thousends of idiots should just obey to the dispositions the govern suggested immediately, instead to act as if nothing was happening, irresponsably, now i'm pretty sure we would not be the most dangerous country in the world.
Even this week-end, despite all the dispositions, in Milan, Turin and Venice trains has been assaulted by many hundreds of people looking to reach Sicily and the South in general, cause is still considered safe (and actually it is..we have some isolated case here and there but, for example, near Agrigento, in the heart of my country, where i am right now, we have still not a single case. But in Catania, for example, the city where i was used to live before to go here where i am for work, the cases are increasing in a very dangerous way. In Palermo is the same.).
So i'm pretty sure that in the next 10-15 days, the virus will strike much more seriously, here..exactly for these sons of a beach. And the worst part is that south is not prepared for this kind of emergency. Our hospitals can't help too many people in the proper way, so..we'll see.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 16, 2020 8:07:18 GMT -5
The "panic" is necessary because of the delayed reactions and lack of a plan by a lot of countries. (See: Italy, US, France, Spain). I agree it shouldn't have come down to this, but it has. This isn't the flu. We have to stop comparing it to that. It's completely different. We have an immunization for the flu. As well as an international effort to combat it. And still 10,000 people die. Now imagine how many more would die if those efforts weren't made or available. Now imagine if the fatality rate was 10 times higher, and it was spreading so fast that eventually there will be more icu level cases than there are icu beds. That's the coronavirus. Protect yourself and your loved ones. Self-isolation is not a panic. It's a step in the process. Thanks for your reply but since it is filled with a lot of imagine this or that...it's just as bad as any other conspiracy theory. I agree it is not like the seasonal flu, so let me play your game....what if they come up with a vaccine, what's the panic all about then? What if like AIDS, there is no vaccine.You say this is not the flu, what is it then? I agree with your thinking. I'm just think there is something out there that we are not being told about... like this is not the flu but a whole lot worse.BUT BUT BUT...I am still living my life my way. The same way I have lived for decades and will protect myself from these things using common sense. I have had the flu but once in my life and that was after I received a flu shot....I have never had that shot since (40 + years). So common sense practices will protect most of us from this round of mom nature. I literally just told you that. |
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Post by linkslover on Mar 16, 2020 8:20:16 GMT -5
I played golf on Saturday and while in the clubhouse, found out one of the members was supposed to have comeback from holiday in Spain that day but couldn't as the country is in lockdown. He was/is on lockdown in his hotel, not able to leave. As far as I know he and his family are still there.
I should be going on a family holiday to Majorca in mid June. Went to the travel agents on Saturday to ask about it. Understandably they are unable to say when things might start going back towards normal, but they have said as we bought a package holiday we are fully ATOL protected so can therefore either get a refund or change the booking if we are unable to go due to Coronavirus. We therefore paid the balance of it that was due this coming Saturday.
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Post by cliffs on Mar 16, 2020 10:29:12 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply but since it is filled with a lot of imagine this or that...it's just as bad as any other conspiracy theory. I agree it is not like the seasonal flu, so let me play your game....what if they come up with a vaccine, what's the panic all about then? What if like AIDS, there is no vaccine.You say this is not the flu, what is it then? I agree with your thinking. I'm just think there is something out there that we are not being told about... like this is not the flu but a whole lot worse.BUT BUT BUT...I am still living my life my way. The same way I have lived for decades and will protect myself from these things using common sense. I have had the flu but once in my life and that was after I received a flu shot....I have never had that shot since (40 + years). So common sense practices will protect most of us from this round of mom nature. I literally just told you that. Imagine that !!! |
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Post by JosiaDB on Mar 16, 2020 11:49:28 GMT -5
BUT BUT BUT...I am still living my life my way. The same way I have lived for decades and will protect myself from these things using common sense. I have had the flu but once in my life and that was after I received a flu shot....I have never had that shot since (40 + years). So common sense practices will protect most of us from this round of mom nature.
LOL I am exact opposite. In my 40+ yrs of having the flu shot, I got it exactly twice. Once was the only year I did not get the shot, and the second time was the one time I got it from a different location. lol,
On the Corona virus front, my boss just went by the store to get some lysol and germ killers for our business, and he said that in addition to bread being sold out, all the peanut butter and the jelly was gone too!
guess its for the kids that are out of school?
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 16, 2020 11:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 16, 2020 12:23:06 GMT -5
While I am not saying this isn't a serious matter and such... saying it's 10 times more deadly than the flu is a little misleading.. we're still going to be looking at a around 1 % mortality rate when this is all said and done. That is high... but the difference between the flu and the corona virus in terms of the death rate is fairly minimal. The thing with this bug is that it targets the elderly and those with immune problems, which is causing a spike in the death rate. The mortaility rate for those under 50 currently stands at .3% roughly..and is much lower in reality. This is on par with the swine flu and other major flu outbreaks.
Like I said, it's a problem because of the elderly and those with immune problems...but this has a lot more similarities to the flu than differences.
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Post by ErixonStone on Mar 16, 2020 12:45:05 GMT -5
I have a parent who has battled cancer. I have a parent in law who has battled immuno-deficiency for a very long time. I have a parent in law who is diabetic. I have a sister in law who has battled cancer and has Hashimoto's disease. I have a brother who is uninsured.
If I, personally, get sick, I will probably be fine. However, if I catch coronavirus and don't know it, I could easily pass it on to other people who will likely die.
The scary part of Coronavirus is that its incubation period is so long - up to two weeks - and our testing efforts are so damn behind that we have no way of knowing who does and doesn't have it.
Stay home if you can.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 16, 2020 12:45:31 GMT -5
While I am not saying this isn't a serious matter and such... saying it's 10 times more deadly than the flu is a little misleading.. we're still going to be looking at a around 1 % mortality rate when this is all said and done. That is high... but the difference between the flu and the corona virus in terms of the death rate is fairly minimal. The thing with this bug is that it targets the elderly and those with immune problems, which is causing a spike in the death rate. The mortaility rate for those under 50 currently stands at .3% roughly..and is much lower in reality. This is on par with the swine flu and other major flu outbreaks. Like I said, it's a problem because of the elderly and those with immune problems...but this has a lot more similarities to the flu than differences. Im sorry Dan, but according to the CDC, the rate for the flu is .1%. And the current predictions for the conanavirus is 1% like you stated. I don't know how that's not 10 times more. Or how that's misleading. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 16, 2020 12:48:37 GMT -5
While I am not saying this isn't a serious matter and such... saying it's 10 times more deadly than the flu is a little misleading.. we're still going to be looking at a around 1 % mortality rate when this is all said and done. That is high... but the difference between the flu and the corona virus in terms of the death rate is fairly minimal. The thing with this bug is that it targets the elderly and those with immune problems, which is causing a spike in the death rate. The mortaility rate for those under 50 currently stands at .3% roughly..and is much lower in reality. This is on par with the swine flu and other major flu outbreaks. Like I said, it's a problem because of the elderly and those with immune problems...but this has a lot more similarities to the flu than differences. Im sorry Dan, but according to the CDC, the rate for the flu is .1%. And the current predictions for the conanavirus is 1% like you stated. I don't know how that's not 10 times more. Or how that's misleading. because the physical numbers that separate .1% and 1% is minimal... for every thousand people .1% is 1 person, 1% is 10 people... If we're talking 5% vs 50% than a 10x increase has a lot more merit. (50 people versus 500 people) |
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Post by searchingforthegains on Mar 16, 2020 12:55:05 GMT -5
Im sorry Dan, but according to the CDC, the rate for the flu is .1%. And the current predictions for the conanavirus is 1% like you stated. I don't know how that's not 10 times more. Or how that's misleading. because the physical numbers that separate .1% and 1% is minimal... for every thousand people .1% is 1 person, 1% is 10 people... If we're talking 5% vs 50% than a 10x increase has a lot more merit. (50 people versus 500 people) You realize 10 times could also be the difference between 10k people or 100k people, or 100k people or 1 mil people? That is significant |
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 16, 2020 13:01:43 GMT -5
because the physical numbers that separate .1% and 1% is minimal... for every thousand people .1% is 1 person, 1% is 10 people... If we're talking 5% vs 50% than a 10x increase has a lot more merit. (50 people versus 500 people) You realize 10 times could also be the difference between 10k people or 100k people, or 100k people or 1 mil people? That is significant read what I said... when we're talking about 10 times as an increase from .1% to 1% it is insignificant... I totally agree with you if we were talking about 50 people versus 500 people that is a large chunk... but to get 100k people for .1%, we're talking about 100 million people.. so in answer your question.. the difference from 100k people and 1 million people when you're talking about 100 million is insignificant... if we were taking about 5 million versus 50 million... that is significant (900k versus 45 million) |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 16, 2020 13:25:53 GMT -5
My company (~4,000 employees) has gone 100% work from home for at least the next 2 weeks. Not ideal for my working style as I have to try to lead meetings and working sessions over the phone with 10+ people but we gotta make due with what’s going on. I’m just really surprised this feels so much different than the response to Swine Flu in 2009. I mean that got bad with around 1 billion people getting sick and hundreds of thousands dying... maybe we’ve learned our lesson from that one and are making sure those same numbers don’t happen here. I abhor those that insist most conspiracy theories are fact but I truly feel that somebody isn't telling us the entire story about this virus. My thoughts are based on the the flu season we have every year wherein 10s of 1,0000s die. That is in one country never mind worldwide. Why is the world reacting to this in the "panic" fashion we are? See Italy and Spain for reference. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 16, 2020 13:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 16, 2020 13:45:07 GMT -5
You realize 10 times could also be the difference between 10k people or 100k people, or 100k people or 1 mil people? That is significant read what I said... when we're talking about 10 times as an increase from .1% to 1% it is insignificant... I totally agree with you if we were talking about 50 people versus 500 people that is a large chunk... but to get 100k people for .1%, we're talking about 100 million people.. so in answer your question.. the difference from 100k people and 1 million people when you're talking about 100 million is insignificant... if we were taking about 5 million versus 50 million... that is significant (900k versus 45 million) So to recap, the Coronavirus is 10 times more deadly than the flu. That is a fact put together by people much smarter than us. It's not misleading because it's fact. Then this is where I get lost: 10x is not significant because 50x is, and 50 is more than 10. But it could be significant if 50 million people die. But if it's just 10000 it's not significant. |
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