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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 22, 2020 4:14:42 GMT -5
I may be crazy but I don't see what's wrong with saying the Pledge. Looking in from the outside, from a country that doesn't do such things, it looks a little brainwash(y)? Like, by all means, if you love your country and just want to do it, go ahead, but forcing kids to do it in school?? And the bit where I REALLY struggle, is that America criticises Russia, china and N Korea for fairly similar things, and then has flags EVERYWHERE, have to pledge allegiance all the time, have massive military displays, and anthems before every sporting event. Plus someone gets absolutely crucified for taking a knee during an anthem. All seems a bit ott looking in from the outside. (Sorry I know that became about more than the pledge, but it's all connected.) And for the people around here who only work in binary, love/hate, black/white, no I don't "hate" America, it's a really cool place, with a lot of really nice people, huge impact culturally on my life, and I have/had family members who live there. Politically, historically, I have huge issues though... |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Mar 22, 2020 6:04:19 GMT -5
The "adviser" to the British PM will end up with much blood on his hands.
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 22, 2020 6:26:47 GMT -5
The "adviser" to the British PM will end up with much blood on his hands.
This is what people just are not getting when they keep saying "it's like the flu," both in terms of the illness and mortality. It's not the same virus! It's not killing the same people flu would have! It's more people, for a start, but it's killing people who would normally either not get flu, or (in combination with the jab) their bodies would be strong enough to fight it off. You're talking about people who would, at a minimum, have a few years of life left, if not 5, 10, 15 years left! And yet some people still insist on saying the economy is more important than hundred of thousands of people dying, who could have had years of life left with their families. Unbelievable. (And yes, it would have been hundreds of thousands, worldwide, if you look at the models for social distancing instead of lockdown. The UK alone was 500k with nothing done, 250k with social distancing, 20k with lockdown. And 20k is a LOT!) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 8:20:05 GMT -5
Haha! I wouldn't be seen dead in the Winchester! Duke of Wellington is my local. (Yes, really...) I think our plan is to trust Boris, and if he's struggling, ask orange Don for help, so I'm hopeful... Working as I do on security in a supermarket in the UK, I can tell you we are still getting teenagers/young people in store. We have free wifi and they come in with little or no intention of buying anything. I am waiting for directions to stop them at the door - it has to happen. In general far too many people here appear to be living their lives very like before the virus, and if young and by all accounts at low risk themselves, will be spreading this virus. My parents are in their 70’s and live in a small town in Norfolk now (apparently the average age in the town is 68 and looks like the mobility scooter capital of the world when I’ve visited), they were telling me there is supposed to be special hours for the elderly to shop, but everyone is going in at that time. Apparently the supermarkets cant stop people going in if they want to. Have you been instructed on how to handle this? I was shopping yesterday and some people were wearing dust filter masks you’d get from Home Depot/B&Q. People just don’t get it. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 22, 2020 9:14:15 GMT -5
Working as I do on security in a supermarket in the UK, I can tell you we are still getting teenagers/young people in store. We have free wifi and they come in with little or no intention of buying anything. I am waiting for directions to stop them at the door - it has to happen. In general far too many people here appear to be living their lives very like before the virus, and if young and by all accounts at low risk themselves, will be spreading this virus. My parents are in their 70’s and live in a small town in Norfolk now (apparently the average age in the town is 68 and looks like the mobility scooter capital of the world when I’ve visited), they were telling me there is supposed to be special hours for the elderly to shop, but everyone is going in at that time. Apparently the supermarkets cant stop people going in if they want to. Have you been instructed on how to handle this? I was shopping yesterday and some people were wearing dust filter masks you’d get from Home Depot/B&Q. People just don’t get it. Our shops will not let anybody in during senior time...they have security out to form a line of the youngins |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 22, 2020 9:18:38 GMT -5
This doesn't change anything I've said previously, in my opinion, but we need all information to know exactly what's happening and how it's unfolded. Under 100 deaths so far! Germany is an interesting case study: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-expertsCrucially, it seems their early action is the biggest impactor on this. And a lesson for the future. They spent resources EARLY and effectively, on tracing down clusters and testing, even on mild/potential cases, and then trace again. But- "Drosten, who has been advising the German health ministry, has also warned that Germany’s mortality rate is likely to rise in the coming weeks as high-risk areas become harder to identify and testing capacity becomes stretched." Acting early was so clearly the way to go here. Then you limit the outbreak, limit the pressure on resources when it fully hits, and protect as many vulnerable people as possible. THEN you do the lockdown, possibly a less widespread and long one, and by the end of it you've lost far fewer people. Instead, other countries played it down, toyed with other strategies and tried to not scare/anger their citizens with lockdowns and such, but ended up having to do it anyway... |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Mar 22, 2020 10:44:09 GMT -5
Working as I do on security in a supermarket in the UK, I can tell you we are still getting teenagers/young people in store. We have free wifi and they come in with little or no intention of buying anything. I am waiting for directions to stop them at the door - it has to happen. In general far too many people here appear to be living their lives very like before the virus, and if young and by all accounts at low risk themselves, will be spreading this virus. My parents are in their 70’s and live in a small town in Norfolk now (apparently the average age in the town is 68 and looks like the mobility scooter capital of the world when I’ve visited), they were telling me there is supposed to be special hours for the elderly to shop, but everyone is going in at that time. Apparently the supermarkets cant stop people going in if they want to. Have you been instructed on how to handle this? I was shopping yesterday and some people were wearing dust filter masks you’d get from Home Depot/B&Q. People just don’t get it. This is all very new, as of this moment the hour ( 7 - 8am reserved for older people and nurses etc ) is before the store officially now opens, at 8, and again, as of this moment, there will be no security on. Probably this may have to change depending on how things go. Extraordinary times, and we're all adapting to them, including supermarkets. As to supermarkets being unable to stop shoppers other than elderly people or key workers shopping during that hour, we certainly can. No Policeman would take the side of the imposter during this crisis. BUT, what of those shopping for elderly or otherwise less able people, who themselves are young/younger/not in the special group? Who knows? I suppose we would need to see some kind of a pass. It's all problematic. |
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Post by BillySastard976 on Mar 22, 2020 10:59:58 GMT -5
The "adviser" to the British PM will end up with much blood on his hands.
He has completely changed his mind on this silliness. |
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Post by cliffs on Mar 22, 2020 11:12:29 GMT -5
Our local grocery stores have senior hours from 5:30 a.m. to 8: a.m. I don't know of any seniors that are up at that time (normally) to go shopping. I have plenty of supplies to alst a couple of months, it's the milk and bread stuff that gets me out.
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Post by boffo on Mar 22, 2020 12:47:19 GMT -5
Went out today for our weekly grocery shopping. We didn’t need much stuff but we’re able to get what we needed. Shelves were certainly emptier than usual and the toilet paper aisle was still barren but things like meat, bread, milk, and eggs were readily available. Most definitely far fewer people out than there usually would be on a weekend so it seems like people here are mostly listening to the recommendations that have been given. Most stores had tape down on the floor in 6 foot gaps to provide visual aid of how far to stay away from others.
I’m kind of liking the new world a bit more than I should be.
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Post by golferdude1994 on Mar 22, 2020 13:02:52 GMT -5
Went out today for our weekly grocery shopping. We didn’t need much stuff but we’re able to get what we needed. Shelves were certainly emptier than usual and the toilet paper aisle was still barren but things like meat, bread, milk, and eggs were readily available. Most definitely far fewer people out than there usually would be on a weekend so it seems like people here are mostly listening to the recommendations that have been given. Most stores had tape down on the floor in 6 foot gaps to provide visual aid of how far to stay away from others. I’m kind of liking the new world a bit more than I should be. Yeah, most fresh items like fruits veggies meats, and dairy items have been readily available in our area. I am of the belief that in one-two weeks when people who stock pile have stocked up enough, then stores will be able to catch up on the supply for canned goods and non perishable items and will be readily available |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 22, 2020 16:29:54 GMT -5
I'm having a growing concern about those who have recovered and the lung issues they may have moving forward. Can't seem to find any more data on it. This could be a longer term issue in a year or two from now when all these people need to end up having to leave the work force and going on a disability program.
This is a bigger part of the picture that cannot be ignored. This includes the invincible young people not being as invincible as they think.
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 22, 2020 17:07:22 GMT -5
Yea it's a little early to be discussing ramifications of those who are infected and survive.. we'll need a good 6 months before we see any hard evidence one way or the other.
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 22, 2020 21:58:25 GMT -5
Yea it's a little early to be discussing ramifications of those who are infected and survive.. we'll need a good 6 months before we see any hard evidence one way or the other. Crap, we have to wait for 650,000 to lose lung function people first?  It's never too early to investigate health issues. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 22, 2020 22:31:57 GMT -5
lol no... but it takes time to see if this is a persistant pattern
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