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Post by LKeet6 on Feb 20, 2020 15:22:23 GMT -5
Wow, another exploit in the game, crazy. Hard to be overly motivated on tour when you know loads of your opponents are having an easier time than you. Says the PS4 player! (but still...) As an aside, in our little community, we've banned slow backswing for manipulation of distance...
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 20, 2020 15:26:44 GMT -5
Initially, I didn’t fully understand what was happening here. After reading more posts after mine and a video or two, this is pretty wild. I’ll be testing this with my 4 controllers later today to see if they all react the same way.
But I have to say this, and it is not meant to indicate that people are intentionally cheating, but this is what I’d call gaming the system or taking advantage of a discovered flaw. For this game, that is the swing mechanic.
The entire point of having an accuracy cone/line is for determining accuracy. That’s why it exists.
I’ve tried to think of another game to create an equivalent comparison and I thought of MLB The Show. If it was discovered that when using the analog stick swing, you could wait until ball hit the catchers mitt (tgc tempo), push the stick to 3 o clock instead of up as intended (swing), and jacked the ball over the fence every time, you can bet it would be 1) Frowned upon big time. People would never play online again until it was fixed and 2) it would be fixed immediately by Sony/San Diego Studios.
I will stream later today when I start goofing around with this. Does anyone know if it is replicated on the course designer also? I plan on trying there and on the zero wind course.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 20, 2020 15:27:21 GMT -5
I totally disagree that it is an advantage. Is it true that you cant pull a shot? Absolutely. But since you arent trying to hit where you are aiming thats irrelevent. You can still miss left, the equivalent of a pull, although it is merely a smaller push when compared to the aiming circle which again, is irrelevent in this scenerio. Just play the game. Or dont (like me) Without trying to comprehend what is being said then you would be correct. But if you attempt to understand the discussion your opinion most likely would change. Or not?
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 20, 2020 15:31:52 GMT -5
Initially, I didn’t fully understand what was happening here. After reading more posts after mine and a video or two, this is pretty wild. I’ll be testing this with my 4 controllers later today to see if they all react the same way. But I have to say this, and it is not meant to indicate that people are intentionally cheating, but this is what I’d call gaming the system or taking advantage of a discovered flaw. For this game, that is the swing mechanic. The entire point of having an accuracy cone/line is for determining accuracy. That’s why it exists. I’ve tried to think of another game to create an equivalent comparison and I thought of MLB The Show. If it was discovered that when using the analog stick swing, you could wait until ball hit the catchers mitt (tgc tempo), push the stick to 3 o clock instead of up as intended (swing), and jacked the ball over the fence every time, you can bet it would be 1) Frowned upon big time. People would never play online again until it was fixed and 2) it would be fixed immediately by Sony/San Diego Studios. I will stream later today when I start goofing around with this. Does anyone know if it is replicated on the course designer also? I plan on trying there and on the zero wind course. Yes, we’ve discussed that before. Most developer of AAA games stay on top of game breaking exploits with patches. We paid AAA price for Indie game service. I’ve said it probably 50 times that we need more complaints with HB or 2K. They may act like they ignore us, well they do ignore us but at least they will know something is up. I just keep playing like I always have, but eventually most players will be using this and the straight full swing will fade away and then it’s over. This isn’t new, many have known about this and kept it from the masses trying to get HB to see it but somebody decided to show the world on video.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 15:34:42 GMT -5
My head hurts #bringback3clickswing
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 20, 2020 15:41:14 GMT -5
Initially, I didn’t fully understand what was happening here. After reading more posts after mine and a video or two, this is pretty wild. I’ll be testing this with my 4 controllers later today to see if they all react the same way. But I have to say this, and it is not meant to indicate that people are intentionally cheating, but this is what I’d call gaming the system or taking advantage of a discovered flaw. For this game, that is the swing mechanic. The entire point of having an accuracy cone/line is for determining accuracy. That’s why it exists. I’ve tried to think of another game to create an equivalent comparison and I thought of MLB The Show. If it was discovered that when using the analog stick swing, you could wait until ball hit the catchers mitt (tgc tempo), push the stick to 3 o clock instead of up as intended (swing), and jacked the ball over the fence every time, you can bet it would be 1) Frowned upon big time. People would never play online again until it was fixed and 2) it would be fixed immediately by Sony/San Diego Studios. I will stream later today when I start goofing around with this. Does anyone know if it is replicated on the course designer also? I plan on trying there and on the zero wind course. Yes, we’ve discussed that before. Most developer of AAA games stay on top of game breaking exploits with patches. We paid AAA price for Indie game service. I’ve said it probably 50 times that we need more complaints with HB or 2K. They may act like they ignore us, well they do ignore us but at least they will know something is up. I just keep playing like I always have, but eventually most players will be using this and the straight full swing will fade away and then it’s over. This isn’t new, many have known about this and kept it from the masses trying to get HB to see it but somebody decided to show the world on video. The API picks this up, right?
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 20, 2020 15:43:20 GMT -5
Not sure what the API data looks like for these swings but if they are showing way outside the norm for API data they should be dq'd for fair play. This is not the way the game was to be intended. I have had some extensive talks with some people on these forums. You know who you are. There is a range for API and if that data is way left or right of the ranges provided on the chart it's only fair as they are using an exploit a la flicking. I am sure Doyley can't comment here but food for thought
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 20, 2020 15:51:11 GMT -5
Read the last comment in this thread by hibbie. It pretty much sums it all up. tgctours.proboards.com/thread/22027/improve-approach-shots“ Thanks so much for this video. It has helped me tremendously. I never thought to intentionally play a push! Using that tip has helped a lot with my aim and I've now made the jump to Masters clubs and am scoring below par as well as I was with Pro clubs (which isn't that low, lol, I've only been playing for a few weeks).”
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Post by Giraffe72 on Feb 20, 2020 15:52:38 GMT -5
If people play this game the way it was intended it's actually still a pretty damn good golf game. I still have a lot of fun with it! It's all you people trying to find loopholes and mechanical exploits that are ruining your own fun, and for what? Just to see your names a bit higher on a fake money leaderboard? You can keep your flick swings and deliberate misses, that sounds like no fun at all to me.
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Post by titan30003 on Feb 20, 2020 15:55:06 GMT -5
I just played Hippystein's 9 hole no wind course using the constant pull, and I was 23 feet away from the pin. Combined. Over nine holes. And I'm not very good. I'll post the video which apparently is going to take 3 hours to upload. Is that normal for people? It's like 10 minutes long, maybe less. Maybe my internet sucks. We just got internet in Canada 2 springs ago.
(Edit: Maybe I shouldn't show, but I figure the cat is out of the bag now regarding this not an exploit)
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 20, 2020 15:55:15 GMT -5
Yes, we’ve discussed that before. Most developer of AAA games stay on top of game breaking exploits with patches. We paid AAA price for Indie game service. I’ve said it probably 50 times that we need more complaints with HB or 2K. They may act like they ignore us, well they do ignore us but at least they will know something is up. I just keep playing like I always have, but eventually most players will be using this and the straight full swing will fade away and then it’s over. This isn’t new, many have known about this and kept it from the masses trying to get HB to see it but somebody decided to show the world on video. The API picks this up, right? I don’t believe so, as the input that is produced seems varied. The computed result in the game, not so varied. It is the raw data that the API harvests... so I’d imagine this can’t be detected as a traditional API pattern.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 20, 2020 15:56:53 GMT -5
I mean the real goal is to swing as straight as you can to get accurate results. Not have these boomerang swing lines and shooting scores which should resemble +15 not -15
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 20, 2020 15:58:53 GMT -5
If people play this game the way it was intended it's actually still a pretty damn good golf game. I still have a lot of fun with it! It's all you people trying to find loopholes and mechanical exploits that are ruining your own fun, and for what? Just to see your names a bit higher on a fake money leaderboard? You can keep your flick swings and deliberate misses, that sounds like no fun at all to me. This is kind of unfair. I don't believe everyone who does it tried to find an exploit. I played this game for hundreds of hours before ever joining the tours and it's something I picked up in the first week. I wasn't trying to game the system. In actual golf, I play a slight push. I always have and always will and it's what keeps me a single digit handicap playing once a month. It's just the way I see the game. So, naturally, when this push became a thing to me in this game...it made sense. However, I acknowledge that it's easier. It's also easier for me in real life.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Feb 20, 2020 16:04:47 GMT -5
I mean the real goal is to swing as straight as you can to get accurate results. Not have these boomerang swing lines and shooting scores which should resemble +15 not -15 When did you lose the cat?? Jeez, I've been away from the PGA for too long. That'll teach me for trying to hit it straight.
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 20, 2020 16:06:15 GMT -5
The API picks this up, right? I don’t believe so, as the input that is produced seems varied. The computed result in the game, not so varied. It is the raw data that the API harvests... so I’d imagine this can’t be detected as a traditional API pattern. Understood but I’d like to know for sure. Maybe someone with access can tell us. Or maybe not if it’s an exploit that hides from API. Hmmm.
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