Ball squirt think tank

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Mar 3, 2015 14:48:13 GMT -5 t2theb2 said:

Mar 3, 2015 14:40:04 GMT -5 @tastegw said:

everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to deny something exists without any merit when many players experience that problem is ludicrous.

Ball Squirt is real, to say otherwise, is laughable at this point. It may not happen to everyone at the same rate, but it is indeed a real thing,  if one simply takes every angle given in this thread that shows its real, to come out on the other side and disagree that its real, .....there just are no words to describe that.

ball going right, after being hit while the hit was missed left, the wind heading left, the lie heading left...is the biggest red flag one can observe,  and this indeed happens.

its not about agreeing and disagreeing, its about ignoring the truth,  if that table is in the kitchen, then its freaking in the kitchen and not the living room.

Sorry if im missing something here mate but i dont get why you are telling me its real when i already know it is. Happens to me every round at least once.

just telling you why certain posts were made earlier in this thread.  one guy insisted it was fake.

[SMIFFYLFC79]

Yes it does happen totally agree with tom, I personally feel it gets a bit to much when a forum becomes a playground, throwing insults at each other, this is not right at all in my opinion, if people have received personal messages with insults then this is also wrong, people will see it, people will not, in the end its another case of agree to disagree and that's how I see it.

[MLT24]

Regardless of it all, one thing that stands out HUGE to me is the fact that the golfers who consistently shoot real low are the ones who believe 100% in ball squirt. And if it is real, then they would be the ones to know. Seems like the underlying cause is the "math" just doesn't line up, therefor there is a problem. I look at the spoilers page on PGA Tour and it is the same people not being happy with their 10-14 under rounds because of ball squirt.

WTHeck?

Sorry for the language, but wow are ya not happy unless you shoot 18 under every round and making the game so predictable, hmmm, like Tiger Woods Golf??

I am not hacking at ya fellows, not trying to make fun of you, it just sounds crazy to me to be upset when you can't control a golf game 100% of the time. Hmm, sounds like real golf, and Not Tiger Woods Golf, Thank GODDDDDD for that.

Seriously, just making an observation, not trying to piss anyone off.

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Mar 3, 2015 15:59:53 GMT -5 MLT24 said:

Regardless of it all, one thing that stands out HUGE to me is the fact that the golfers who consistently shoot real low are the ones who believe 100% in ball squirt. And if it is real, then they would be the ones to know. Seems like the underlying cause is the "math" just doesn't line up, therefor there is a problem. I look at the spoilers page on PGA Tour and it is the same people not being happy with their 10-14 under rounds because of ball squirt.

WTHeck?

Sorry for the language, but wow are ya not happy unless you shoot 18 under every round and making the game so predictable, hmmm, like Tiger Woods Golf??

I am not hacking at ya fellows, not trying to make fun of you, it just sounds crazy to me to be upset when you can't control a golf game 100% of the time. Hmm, sounds like real golf, and Not Tiger Woods Golf, Thank GODDDDDD for that.

Seriously, just making an observation, not trying to piss anyone off.

its not about the scores, its about missed opportunities that others will not miss.  whether its -20 or -2, when a ball squirts 20 yards off course and lands in the water, its simply unfair to that person as he did not execute a shot that should have went into the water, his shot was executed to land on the green, all the math correct.  

i was lucky enough to escape the water all 4 rounds, but i did find myself having 3 very close calls and while the ball was in the air I really thought it was going in one way or the other,  nevertheless, the shots I executed should have landed on the green, and they did not, so while it only cost me one stroke each time, it cost others more strokes, and this is not fair.

[foolinjection]

But surely, and this is the part I don't really understand, if we are all playing under these conditions then it's a level playing-field?

[billybudd0623]

I was playing Doral in another league this week and something strange happened to me as well. First off, I am an okay video golf gamer. In my third round, I had hit several shots that came up less than 100% and and I hit another 4 or so shots, that went off course and landed in bunkers or water. ( had shot -10 in round 2 and +1 in this round) I always look at lie and wind before I hit my shots and felt like I'd hit them all "in the screws". I have not noticed this before playing this course. It could be I experienced the same thing you guys are talking about. Something just didn't look right. Just figured, well that's just golf, until I read this thread. Not a game breaker for me though.

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Mar 3, 2015 16:43:38 GMT -5 foolinjection said:

But surely, and this is the part I don't really understand, if we are all playing under these conditions then it's a level playing-field?

not for long

[foolinjection]

Mar 3, 2015 17:28:49 GMT -5 @tastegw said:

Mar 3, 2015 16:43:38 GMT -5 foolinjection said:

But surely, and this is the part I don't really understand, if we are all playing under these conditions then it's a level playing-field?

not for long

... okay... what exactly is that supposed to mean?

Please enlighten me.

[nevadaballin]

I'm not totally convinced that this isn't a ball lie recognition problem after just shooting a round at Trump in LGGT.  The following clip is from a putt but it shows an inconsistency that appears to fit the description.

Note how the grid line in front of the ball is tilted left to right a little. Now wait for the bead on that line to start creeping across... it goes right to left. I looked it from all kinds of angles before putting. I decided to play it as the bead says just to see if the bead was lying, which I thought it was because I trust the line more than the bead anyway.

Here's the clip, interested in everyone's thoughts:






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[mcbogga]

Plot twist that may send Steve into fits...

Found the below from HB_lorin over at the HB forums:

Hey rabid - yes 100% is 100%. Obviously, things like wind and elevation and swing path will effect your final distance.



And yes the direction of the backswing does effect trajectory. Currently a left to right swing sends the ball right and a right to left sends the ball left. We will, however, be adding a toggle so that can be switched so that folks who want a more realistic representation of a real golf-swing can set it so an in-to-out analog stick swing path will result in a draw and out-to-in will result in a fade. I think (but am not promising) that will be in the update in a few weeks.

www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php?topic=9139.0


While Lorin is mixing up golf terms all over the place this sounds very squirty to me..... Very subtle and sneaky effect, if in fact this is how it works. Would explain however why the squirts seem to intensify towards the top of the leader boards. Sweaty palms and all that.....

[foolinjection]

I'd still like to know what Tastegw means by his rather ominous sounding comment in regards to my level playing field post...

[Brighttail]

Well $*(t,

I asked Loren this exact question 2 months ago if the back swing, since it is not tracked, effects the ball flight and he said no it does not. Now he is saying it does? Grrrr.

So this is it.  Ball squirt has been answered.  If your back swing is off it will effect your shot.  At least in a future patch we will be able to toggle it in a way that at least we can practice with and get used to.  I have asked Loren if they plan to add a back swing indicator so we can use that to help practice crafting our shots.  We'll have to see.

[Pubknight]

Yes, I said I wasn't going to post in this anymore, and I won't after this, I promise.
But in fairness, I posted this exact same thing, even quoting the post on page 3 of this thread, and it was dismissed or ignored:
tgctours.proboards.com/post/22208/thread

[Brighttail]

Mar 4, 2015 9:59:10 GMT -5 Pubknight said:

Yes, I said I wasn't going to post in this anymore, and I won't after this, I promise.
But in fairness, I posted this exact same thing, even quoting the post on page 3 of this thread, and it was dismissed or ignored:
tgctours.proboards.com/post/22208/thread

Yes you nailed it.

[fuzion]

If it is due to the backswing, I don't see why a) it is affected by online/offline (GNCD etc) and b) Brighttail was affected by it considerably even when he had the straightest backswing (most likely) due to his modified mouse.
It doesn't make sense as an explanation.